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When a guy comes in here yelling at us, banning all our favorite users, and DEMANDING we sit here and plead with him and explain why we like something that he doesn't
I don't get his approach either. As I said, I think it's pants-on-head retarded. However, I am trying my best to explain where he might be coming from, since he won't do it himself. Maybe I am not particularly successful, but I feel like it was worth an attempt.
 
Don't know what's so hard to understand by some people in regards to DSP scamming his audience.

Let's start with one of the definitions:
- A dishonest scheme in which the perpetrator willingly lies, misrepresents a non-trivial fact, and/or tries to deceive someone in order to gain money from them, typically by gaining their trust, or by taking advantage of their credulity, compassion, etc.

Now let's showcase one (of the many) situations in which DSP has commited this:
- DSP tells to his viewers that all money he'll receive for the stream will go to necessary bills and taxes, and will emphasize greatly and repeatedly on this.
- DSP tells his viewers that tips received will go towards paying for groceries, because he's in a dire situation, and so contributions used that way is required.
- DSP tells his viewers that he has no money, his financial situation is very delicate, and that he does not spend money in Champions.

* Evidence of that happening: use pigpiggo, read this Kiwifarms board, search for the appropriate videos on YouTube.

Now, if Champions is true/he's DownFromTheRafters (let's assume this is the case, unless you want to argue against that), it has been shown that he has spent hundreds, sometimes even thousands, on short periods of time, on days when he'd make such claims about his financial distress (see above).

This means that he lied about contributions going to what they were supposed to be going to. The viewer is given a false claim and reality as incentive to contribute, an incentive that has a reasonably great impact on someone's willingness to make that decision (contribute), and so they are scammed as a result.

It is when he makes these claims that are false, as incentives to contribute, when the scamming occurs. It attempts to manipulate the viewer for financial gain, just like I'd be attempting at manipulating you if I told you that if you give me 200$, they'll go to pay for my food tomorrow, because I have no money, I need it, I require it for a basic necessity, yet I know fully well that I'll be spending it on the slot-machine next to me when you turn your back.
 
@WelperHelper99

Look I'm on the side that thinks the DSP sub board should be closed down and archived in favor of a mega thread, like the other cows have here, rather than the special treatment it currently get.

But dude, DSP is an ebegger, all the clips people here get off to is of him ebegging, 90% of DSP filler in the farms movie night is him of him begging or bitching he didn't hit his donation goals, I know because I have sadly seen it. Yeah streaming his is job, but dude actively begs during it rather than just having something passive for people to donate money or bring it up. Mean part of why DSP is so boring most of his "content" is him ebegging in some form, same shit every day.

Now just because DSP is a huge ebegger it shouldn't give people a free pass to fuck his internet and what not in order to stop him from being able to do that, with that I do agree.
 
Now just because DSP is a huge ebegger it shouldn't give people a free pass to fuck his internet and what not in order to stop him from being able to do that, with that I do agree.
No one here wants DSP to get off the internet, you are confusing this subforum with reddit; we enjoy watching a fat pale man lie about any and eveything.
 
No one here wants DSP to get off the internet, you are confusing this subforum with reddit; we enjoy watching a fat pale man lie about any and eveything.
Mean has been least one user like that but he got banned, can't say been any more or not as I don't know,and far as I know no one has been planning more gay ops here, but that statement was more in general talk rather than pinpointing it on this sub board.

Also take it you mean tries rather than wants, because not hard to find people who want that but that is a different topic.
 
@WelperHelper99

Look I'm on the side that thinks the DSP sub board should be closed down and archived in favor of a mega thread, like the other cows have here, rather than the special treatment it currently get.

But dude, DSP is an ebegger, all the clips people here get off to is of him ebegging, 90% of DSP filler in the farms movie night is him of him begging or bitching he didn't hit his donation goals, I know because I have sadly seen it. Yeah streaming his is job, but dude actively begs during it rather than just having something passive for people to donate money or bring it up. Mean part of why DSP is so boring most of his "content" is him ebegging in some form, same shit every day.

Now just because DSP is a huge ebegger it shouldn't give people a free pass to fuck his internet and what not in order to stop him from being able to do that, with that I do agree.
Well its clearly working. His bitching and groveling is part of the show- and he knows it. He'd be broke if he was a normie. It may be strange, but people seem to pay for him to make a bitch out of himself. I'd say it's more of a job at this point
 
It's not 4D Chess, he's in denial about being a beggar and his cope is the beg segments are "advertisements."
DSP only started making a concerted effort to stop mentioning money after Moist Cr1tikal called him out for turbo-begging.
I mean they are ads- ads for his bank account that you willingly have to put money into. As for Charlie... Charlie is cringe.
 
I mean they are ads- ads for his bank account that you willingly have to put money into. As for Charlie... Charlie is cringe.
McDonald's doesn't advertise a Big Mac by saying if you don't buy it they'll close down in a week.
The only substantive difference between DSP's "job" and a homeless panhandler's "job" is a condo.
 
McDonald's doesn't advertise a Big Mac by saying if you don't buy it they'll close down in a week.
The only substantive difference between DSP's "job" and a homeless panhandler's "job" is a condo.
I don't know man, I see lots of furniture liquidation everything must go sales but they manage to not go under, every time
 
Okay when DSP starts saying "I'm retiring from streaming so this is your last chance to tip me" maybe you'll have an analogous example. Fucking retard.
Just stop arguing with the obvious troll/contrarian man. The guy would unironically argue that someone sitting outside of Target with a sign that says "pls give money" isn't a beggar because he put work into making the sign.
 
Since it feels like things have calmed down a little, I wanted to throw in my two cents about what is/interesting about Phil. Well, interesting might be a stretch, but you know what I mean.

I've seen Phil compared to Wings or Boogie before, but I don't think that's really accurate. Not anymore, at least. Years ago, way more during the Twitch days, Phil would average around 500-800 viewers, many of which were trolls who would throw change at him to say such hilarious and original things like "Leanna got blacked." Even then, it was honestly a point of contention, we had a thread about the merits of throwing pennies at Phil and I believe whoever was tracking tips and stuff even had a separate section for tracking "troll" tips specifically. Generally, anyone who came here to brag about wasting 5 bucks on a generic insult was given the appropriate stickers and tophats.

I think it was around the vest streak these trolls really started to die off, and while you still get some people superchatting insults at Phil, he's more or less been locked down since starting on YouTube. A common joke is posting screenshots of Phil asking if anyone is in his chat, followed by the number of active users which is usually around like 2-12.

Someone mentioned that trolls were constantly trying to milk Phil for content and that's why Phil sucks/the boards should be shut down, because Phil won't ever chimp out like he used to. And, again, I think it makes sense for types like Wings or Boogie, but that's never really been Phil's thing. Phil doesn't need trolls to chimp out at. Phil does that plenty on his own. One of my favorite Phil sagas was the BK saga. For those unaware, I'll give a very abridged version. A few years ago on his wife's birthday, he failed to make reservations or something so they ended up having lunch at BK. Phil got a burger that had a bunch of ketchup and mayo on it and, in his mind, was inedible as a result. Phil angrily tweeted about it, and demanded BK customer support make it better. The next day, he dedicated a prestream segment to it, adding such details like he couldn't go in to complain/get a replacement because there were people actively shooting up in the parking lot in the middle of the day. He continued to rant/tweet about it for I want to say at least a week or two, and periodically brought it up throughout the rest of the year. That isn't me being hyperbolic, this "ruined burger" was actively on his mind for that long and I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if it was even brought up more recently.

That's the kind of content the majority of us tend to enjoy from Phil. It has nothing to do with Phil being trolled or forced a reaction. Phil basically has two modes, he's either hungover and completely quiet and a complete bore, or he's going on some sort of manic rant, ranging from someone moving something out of his cart and equating that to being mugged, Amazon delivery drivers that are stealing from him, game developers purposefully wasting his time, or lambasting his own viewers for daring to talk about anything non-Phil related in his chat. For non-troll examples of Phil flying off the handle on his supporters specifically, I'd recommend any of his "viewer suggestion" streams.

Things like Phil being a beggar, while true, are just sort of side details. On an average day, the main thread tends to get 2-3 pages. It's not just "oh man, can you believe Phil is begging again?" We'll make jokes about it, sure, but if Phil suddenly decided to stop begging, or hell, stopped mentioning money period, it wouldn't really change anything about his cow status. I think it's Phil's hermit/boomer style rants combined with general life inexpereince and a massive sense of entitlement and chronic lying that make him interesting. It's little things, like him saying carrying his groceries up and down the stairs once a week is a workout, or rushing offscreen and pretending to effortlessly do 20 pushups just by counting that's entertaining.
 
I missed my shot to argue with Null in the other threads and won't shit up the new main thread. There's a lot I could say in an effort-post but most of it's already been said. Maybe this will just get lost out here but it's something I haven't seen brought forth yet.

Null sees the subforum as a failure to integrate to the site culture, if that's so then the reason for it is that Null has allowed it to happen by ignoring the subforum. It is clear to me that he has almost no interest in DSP as a lolcow and the limited knowledge he has about the subject essentially keeps him away. He is generally misinfomed about DSP details, which in the DSP shpere, the details are the most critical element. The only time he ever is around in the thread is when some retard comes here to brag about their crimes. That all builds a false or exagerated picture about people's motivations here. I also get the impression that Null has a misplaced sense of empathy for Phil, being that they share a common livliehood in livestreaming.

If Null isn't around to influce the subforum, of course its going to develop freely and probably in a direction he doesn't like. Coming by to chastise people using misinformed generalizations isn't going to get a good response from anyone and that's what we ended up seeing.

I'm not so sure if the damage can be undone at this point enough to keep the subforum healthy, but if Null really wants to fix the integration problem, he should first start by involving himself in the subforum, not in an authority role, but as a participant. Integration is a two way street: the DSP Mexicans speak Kiwi English but the Kiwi Muricans also eat the DSP tacos.
 
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