Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Russia was already giving permission for volunteers in their Armed Force to go and fight; Igor Strelkov comes to mind.
They were also quietly transferring some old gear to the Donbass units.
I'm guessing they hoped for more, but Putin was too cautious.
2014/2015 would have been a blitz, ukrops were completely unprepared, the west was still knee deep in the Middle East, and there was widespread support in Eastern Ukraine for the Russians.
Most folks don't realize that this Ukraine/Russia adventure was supposed to kick off under President Hillary but Trump threw a huge monkey-wrench into that plan that's been in the works for over a decade. If you think about it that explains so much, from The Russians! collusion narrative to the Biden family ties to impeaching Trump for asking about Ukraine, etc.
 
I am in Eastern Germany right now and I am seeing ukrainian women and girls everywhere.
And for some odd reason, they seem to all be wearing nice new clothes with brand name accessories.
I believe that is where all those billions of dollars of " western aid money to ukropland" actually went.
Nah, they're just typical Hohol prostitutes.

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Most folks don't realize that this Ukraine/Russia adventure was supposed to kick off under President Hillary but Trump threw a huge monkey-wrench into that plan that's been in the works for over a decade. If you think about it that explains so much, from The Russians! collusion narrative to the Biden family ties to impeaching Trump for asking about Ukraine, etc.
Maybe Trump being rigged out.

Was a silver lining for Russia and the Donbass.

And that shitlibs and progtards are absolute cunts.
 
How many fraggings have made the news so far?

Also, to join in on the Grant Sperging. Grant’s presidency was marked by a lot of Democrats outright hating him and using their press connections to slander him years after he left office. He was not wise to what politics are and his venture into politics was the same as becoming Commander and Chief of the Potomac, someone asked him to run. He had odd beliefs on taking a position by outright saying it, the position asks for the man not the man asking for the position.

Oddest thing was that Grant was a great ambassador. His World Tour was a success by most accounts.
 
Conscripts shooting officers and themselves.

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A mobilized Ukrainian shot at the company commander and shot himself - says former deputy Mosiychuk. Local media reports that there was a conflict between an ordinary soldier and the deputy commander of the company for moral and psychological support.

During the altercation, the conscript grabbed an AK-74 and shot his opponent six times before blowing his brains out. They write that the problem is "lack of rotation and rest." Coincidentally, the new version of the mobilization law emphasizes that. Probably this is not the only case.
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It was inevitable; of course they knew.
Now that is massively interesting. When and if the Ukrainians mutiny and refuse to fight it won't happen all of the sudden. There will be a lot of events like this. This and things like this will become somewhat normal. After a little while of these mini-mutinies and refusing to fight and surrenders there will be a mass mutiny at some point. This of course assumes that the process that is happening in the Ukrainian Army isn't interrupted by another different end to the war.
Russia was already giving permission for volunteers in their Armed Force to go and fight; Igor Strelkov comes to mind.
They were also quietly transferring some old gear to the Donbass units.
I'm guessing they hoped for more, but Putin was too cautious.
2014/2015 would have been a blitz, ukrops were completely unprepared, the west was still knee deep in the Middle East, and there was widespread support in Eastern Ukraine for the Russians.
My general sense from listening to Russians who have talked to those people is that they kind of expected Russia to intervene directly at some point but they were also extremely worried that Russia wouldn't. There was a promise made to the DNR and LPR that Russia would intervene someday but until Russia did there was always that worry. Granted I think Putin usually keeps his promises, not that he isn't a dictator, but he if he actually promises you something and you fulfil your end of the bargain he tends to fulfil his side. I'd say he has a pretty good track record for that kind of thing, which is probably the reason he is as powerful and secure as he is. Not that all of the Russians in Ukraine are safe yet and there are still Russians outside Russia or Ukraine who could be threatened.
That is actually a bit reassuring, as it demonstrates that the NATO hysteria of Russia doing a major invasion of the continent is clearly overblown.

If the soldiers are hesitant to go past the borders of their country, that demonstrates that leadership is imposing a mentality of protecting the motherland and not one of conquest. Once Russia gains enough land that Ukraine stops bombing cities in Russian held territory, it'll be very difficult to persuade the soldiers to fight any further.
The imperial ambition accusation of Russia is a meme. Russia is not a state that even has the capability to conquer and hold Europe. The USSR did at one point have that capability but Russia is much weaker than the USSR was at its peak. Russia simply does not have the ability to mobilize millions of men that it would need to do something like that. Part of the reason Russia used to be such a threat hundreds of years ago was because it had an astoundingly high birthrate and consequently the ability to utilize its large young population, and it had land to spare meaning it could theoretically keep growing for an incredibly long time to a massive size. The USSR basically lived off the remnants of this, its ability to tie a massive amount of very different peoples into a viable state and its ability to wield modern state capacities. But the USSR did not manage to keep this very high birthrate and consequently modern Russia no longer has the high birthrate that made it very powerful in the 18th and 19th centuries. To emphasize how insane Russia's birthrate was Russia had a lower population than France in the Napoleonic Wars and in WW1 Russia had a population four times as large as that of France. There is a reason cartoons like this existed.
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Unbothered. Moisturized. Happy. In my lane. Focused. Flourishing.
 
That is actually a bit reassuring, as it demonstrates that the NATO hysteria of Russia doing a major invasion of the continent is clearly overblown.

If the soldiers are hesitant to go past the borders of their country, that demonstrates that leadership is imposing a mentality of protecting the motherland and not one of conquest. Once Russia gains enough land that Ukraine stops bombing cities in Russian held territory, it'll be very difficult to persuade the soldiers to fight any further.
I don't even know why they would want to invade the rest of Europe.
 
Notable; Russia built another AWACS plane in two days.
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Just kidding, it was never shot down lol
Ah you too are of culture. That anime guy is getting scary at figuring shit out now. He has a deep (rational) hate of globalism zionism and satanism, you have to parse some of his stuff through that hate and he's a little too rapid fire for full context at times but he's on the money.... It's somewhat concerning.

One thing he's been saying that I 100% agree with, is that the Ukraine war has marked a notable decline for America and showed that we have no clothes. If we cease to be an empire in then next few years I will neither be shocked or upset.
 
It just shows how desperate they are. Their entire pre-war military is either KIA or POW

Their pre-war military was never any good to begin with. Before 2014 it was the corrupt and decaying remains of what had existed in Soviet Union times. It was poorly funded, badly equipped and barely capable of anything.
After 2014, there was a degree of material aid from outside, but the fighting of the Donbas war tended to lower standards within the army down to irregular militia level. Training ceased, standards dropped and most of the officers produced by Ukraine in the last ten years could only function at small unit level with little to no coordination. Its still today an army of small detachments.
As that sort of army, they can do ok on the defensive. Then can put small units into trench positions - tell him to stay there - and they will generally give an OK account of themselves.
But try to put them on the offensive and they are completely lost. They send wave after wave of men and equipment at fixed positions without any particular strategy or coordination. See Robotyne. See Krinky.
After the early phase of the war, Ukraine needed about 18 months to construct a new set of army units behind the lines to higher standards of training. But rather than do that, they send units that were mostly raw conscripts to NATO for a few weeks training and then sent them off into a major offensive against very strong fixed defensive positions.
The 2023 counteroffensive did more than just fail. It destroyed all of their reserves and any ability to rotate units out and any ability to raise standards of units through training.

They deserve credit for not collapsing in 2022 as a military. But like everything else in the Ukrainian State, the basic structure of their military is rotten and barely functional. And they proved incapable of fixing their problems because neither they nor their sponsors in the west were willing to tell the truth about the state of the military either to the world or themselves. The 2023 counteroffensive was completely about putting on a show for the western media rather than doing something that made military sense.
 
Now that is massively interesting. When and if the Ukrainians mutiny and refuse to fight it won't happen all of the sudden. There will be a lot of events like this. This and things like this will become somewhat normal. After a little while of these mini-mutinies and refusing to fight and surrenders there will be a mass mutiny at some point. This of course assumes that the process that is happening in the Ukrainian Army isn't interrupted by another different end to the war.


There are more and more Ukrainian conscientious objectors every day.
 
Is that a joke or is it really happening? Why would they do that?
Pakistan has like 67 trillion different problems going on right now so why the fuck would they pick a fight against Iran?
"The US has like 67 trillion different problems going on right now so why the fuck would they pick a fight against Iran?"

Does paraphrasing help?
 
Is that a joke or is it really happening? Why would they do that?
Pakistan has like 67 trillion different problems going on right now so why the fuck would they pick a fight against Iran?

Its happening. Pakistan and Iran each host terrorist groups which operate against the other country. US strikes against targets all over the world against terrorists convinced Iran to make a point about that. And Pakistan was the easiest place to make that point.

Pakistan is a terminally stupid country and their reaction to something like this was inevitably going to be a pointless retaliation to prove how tough they are to India. Because Iran being able to get away with this kind of means that India could as well. And Pakistan and India also support terrorists in each others countries. The US, Saudi Arabia and China all like what Pakistan did because the Suadis & Americans hate Iran. And China hates India.

Iran on the other hand seems to want a regional war. They are doing everything they possibly can to escalate every situation in the region.
 
Most folks don't realize that this Ukraine/Russia adventure was supposed to kick off under President Hillary but Trump threw a huge monkey-wrench into that plan that's been in the works for over a decade. If you think about it that explains so much, from The Russians! collusion narrative to the Biden family ties to impeaching Trump for asking about Ukraine, etc.
I knew Hillary was basically guaranteeing a war with Russia, but how do you explain in 2012 when Mitt Romney said Russia was the biggest threat to the US, and Obama, the media, and the entirety of the left constantly mocked him about it. I suppose it was too early to show their hand, and any chance to shit on Romney was exploited. Then again, Obama had his hot mic moment with Putin around that time where he told Pootie to be patient and that he could be more flexible with Russia once the election was over. I seriously doubt Obama and Hillary are on opposite ends of that issue.

On the fraggings, there was a video not that long ago of 2 Uke soldiers retreating to the rear. When they made it to their support lines, an English speaker got up and started shouting orders for them to return to the front. Homeboy just raised his rifle and shot the people yelling at him. The video perspective is of the guy that get's shot.
 
Their pre-war military was never any good to begin with. Before 2014 it was the corrupt and decaying remains of what had existed in Soviet Union times. It was poorly funded, badly equipped and barely capable of anything.
This is pretty obvious. How else were the DPR and LPR able to score so many victories against it?

After 2014, there was a degree of material aid from outside, but the fighting of the Donbas war tended to lower standards within the army down to irregular militia level. Training ceased, standards dropped and most of the officers produced by Ukraine in the last ten years could only function at small unit level with little to no coordination. Its still today an army of small detachments.
As that sort of army, they can do ok on the defensive. Then can put small units into trench positions - tell him to stay there - and they will generally give an OK account of themselves.
There were a large number of NATO trainers that showed up after the stalemate began in 2017.
However, what NATO taught them was small unit tactics because that's all they know.
NATO has been fighting raghead terrorists for so long they have forgotten how to fight peer opponents.

But try to put them on the offensive and they are completely lost. They send wave after wave of men and equipment at fixed positions without any particular strategy or coordination. See Robotyne. See Krinky.
After the early phase of the war, Ukraine needed about 18 months to construct a new set of army units behind the lines to higher standards of training. But rather than do that, they send units that were mostly raw conscripts to NATO for a few weeks training and then sent them off into a major offensive against very strong fixed defensive positions.
The 2023 counteroffensive did more than just fail. It destroyed all of their reserves and any ability to rotate units out and any ability to raise standards of units through training.
I strongly believe the whole point of the offensives was to expose Russian warfighting methods and strategy through repeated tests.
NATO is using ukrops as lab rats to see how Russia responds to attacks and come up with solution.
 
I knew Hillary was basically guaranteeing a war with Russia, but how do you explain in 2012 when Mitt Romney said Russia was the biggest threat to the US, and Obama, the media, and the entirety of the left constantly mocked him about it. I suppose it was too early to show their hand, and any chance to shit on Romney was exploited. Then again, Obama had his hot mic moment with Putin around that time where he told Pootie to be patient and that he could be more flexible with Russia once the election was over. I seriously doubt Obama and Hillary are on opposite ends of that issue.

On the fraggings, there was a video not that long ago of 2 Uke soldiers retreating to the rear. When they made it to their support lines, an English speaker got up and started shouting orders for them to return to the front. Homeboy just raised his rifle and shot the people yelling at him. The video perspective is of the guy that get's shot.
Obama was running for reelection and that statement was a chance for future plausible deniability for the shit the US was doing to subvert Russia with the added bonus jab at Mitt.

Here's another dirty secret. Whoever controls the resources underground in Asia will control the world in a few decades. Everything our future depends on is made with that stuff. That's just the resources we know about. A huge part of Russia is unexplored permafrost that's now thawing out. Some estimates guess there's more under there than still exists everywhere else combined. Imagine Russia with wealth that eclipses Saudi Arabia. Yeah we'll start a nuclear war to prevent that.
 
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