Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

They could still just open the driver hatch if all the periscopes are blown out and drive away off of that, once they get turned around and facing away from the incoming fire. It looks like they crash into a tree and get stuck in one of the other videos and then bail out. I cant understand what happened other than stupidity.

Mission kill sure, but regular kill surely not?
Being in a tank under fire is not fun. Super disorienting. 9 times out of 10 a tank crew is bailing instead of trying to salvage a situation as bad as that and that's just the correct move, the crew is more valuable than the tank is.
 
This is quite the bombastic statement. It makes me wonder are you even in the right thread? There is a pro-Ukraine thread if that is where your sympathies lie.
If you think im team globohomo enjoying watching my tax dollars being pissed away youre very mistaken.

Im just someone who realizes Putin/Russia isnt any better or more noble than western globohomos, theyre both engaged in the same idiotic pointless games as they where back in Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea or hell literally the old "great game" etc. This is just another entirely stupid conflict throwing away normal people's lives and money while the repsective powers that be not face the consequences of their idiocy.
I think the most obvious example of Russia utilizing combined arms was their defense during the Ukrainian counter-offensive of Summer/Fall 2023. They used aircraft artillery infantry assaults and armored vehicles extensively to great effect. The Ukrainians didn't even manage to get to the 2nd line.
Naturally its significantly easier to defend an objective than it is to assault it. Even incompetent defenders can pose significant issues and make life hard for competent assaulters. See battle of Fallujah or whats going on now in Gaza.

But let's also talk about Russian Offensive use of arms warfare. One of these utilization of combined arms warfare that ended up working quite well was the Wagnerite's quick capture of Soledar. The Musicians managed to leverage infantry assaults and artillery to quickly capture Soledar. They didn't use armored vehicles all that much because armored vehicles generally aren't too effective for urban combat. But nonetheless the Russians won a large battle much quicker than expected using combined arms warfare.

There has been one of Russia's combined arms that Russia has been very reluctant to use. Russia is reluctant to use infantry and thus take large casualties. They have been trying to leverage their greater possession of armored vehicles, drones and mostly artillery with a bit of cautious infantry action thrown in. It has been successful so far in attritting the Ukrainian Army. But willingness does not equal capability.
And yet where are they at? Still stuck in far eastern Ukraine fighting over small insignificant villages. Thats some successful combined arms.

Yes Russia has a ungodly amount of artiliery but the problem is bombing/shelling someone is it doesnt win a war or take an objective. The US has clearly proved you can bomb the fuck out of whatever you want and its ultimately meaningless.

Why are you pretending the Istanbul Agreement never happened?
Good piece of evidence Putin was taken a half measure hoping Ukraine would capitulate.
Bruh. You can look in this, and the previous threads to see holhols being annihilated every day. Even the hohols estimate the average daily losses of the AFU are 800-850 daily. That's why they're mobilizing women and cripples. Its over.

lol you have to go back to reddit the cope thread. Same thing
The irony is something else here.

They could still just open the driver hatch if all the periscopes are blown out and drive away off of that, once they get turned around and facing away from the incoming fire. It looks like they crash into a tree and get stuck in one of the other videos and then bail out. I cant understand what happened other than stupidity.
With the amount of 25mm that tank took the crew is probably concussed and dazed as can be. Also not very smart to open your hatches when youre being lit up with 25mm.

Mission kill sure, but regular kill surely not?
Considering the optics/electronics are all shredded you might as well consider it a kill since its gonna have to go back to a depot to be refurbished. Assuming theyre able to recover it before its outright destroyed.
 
If I were inside a tank that had just just been hosed down with 25mm like that and all the periscopes along with a ton of lightly-armored were trashed I might be awfully conscious of the fact that the hull kept it out and the padded hats those guys get isn't much of anything for armor. Opening a hatch might be a hard sell.
 
If I were those guys I'd be thinking about getting warcrimed by the pursuing bradleys the second I set foot outside of the tank, to be honest the tank is probably their best chance to get the hell out of there since it was still mobile.

You talk about padded hats, well the cloth uniforms aren't much protection either.
 
Russia was never committed to actually capturing Kiev/Ukraine by force. Its very apparent now that they thought Ukraine would collapse as soon as they saw the tanks and helos streaming across the border. They did not anticipate Ukraine actually trying to fight them back.

Ukraine held out long enough for the globohomos to start dumping billions and billions of dollars worth of hardware and the rest is history, its now the meatgrinder its been the past 2 years. If this continues to go the way its been going Russia will most certainly "win", but will pay an exceptionally high price for what they get.
Like what? Empty Ukraine? That sounds like the best case scenario for Putin.

It's like.....Gaza....but self eradication.
 
Survival rates in Iraq/Afghanistan were fantastic because we had a set up that was able to treat casualties every step of the way, from the battlefield, on the helo and on the plane to Ramstein right before they were met by a team trained to treat their type of injuries. Ukraine is incredibly overextended and while they do manage to give their soldiers good care they simply weren't expecting level of causalities they've taken and continue to take, and we are about to hit the two year mark next month, and it will only get worse, not better.
Look, these people have reverted back to 1950 style eugenics and are sending UNARMED downs-syndome folks to the frontline trenches to die.
This is 1950 style racial hygiene right here, straight out of nazi germany.

Why else send downs-syndrome men to the frontline and "you don't need a rifle" than racial hygiene?

Why would people that do this spend/waste time on wounded/crippled soldiers? They already had a program in place to make them not-live.
 
Another Ukrainian conscientious objector:



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Look, these people have reverted back to 1950 style eugenics and are sending UNARMED downs-syndome folks to the frontline trenches to die.
This is 1950 style racial hygiene right here, straight out of nazi germany.

Why else send downs-syndrome men to the frontline and "you don't need a rifle" than racial hygiene?

Why would people that do this spend/waste time on wounded/crippled soldiers? They already had a program in place to make them not-live.

Sadly, I agree. Its the destruction of the Ukrainian people, but they brought it on themselves. I've warned them for years only to get "But ruzzians are dumb! They're evil! They're finished!". Fine, have it your way.

Here's a good example: "zomg bong mercs murdered by evil Wagner!"
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Except killing a combatant isn't murder, and mercs are expressly not allowed any considerations under the Geneva Conventions. But the low IQ eat it up.
(inb4 they wuz cooks, or medics-lol no)
 
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What am I looking at here?

If they can't treat and sew it up right then and there they should have left it alone; instead that piggerina is sticking her fingers inside and moving them around wtf that hohol can bleed out at any moment before he gets to a real doctor.
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Holy shit, you dumb fucking holhol. If it's not bleeding, you leave it the fuck alone. Bandage him up, sure, but there's no need to be aggressive with exposed blood vessels.

Maybe their high casualty rate is due to their absolutely retarded hohol tik tok whores larping as medics.
Either you commit medical malpractice, and torture your buddies, or you go to the front line and lose your legs
 
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Its painfully obvious it was all a bluff, it wasnt cover for actions elsewhere.

Russia committed its absolute best troops Day 1 into scaring Kiev into submission. That air assault at Hostomel was 100% gamble based upon thinking the Ukrainians where going to do nothing to stop them. Then they backed it up with a 60km long line of armor/vehicles for a week or two that they ultimately did nothing with because Russia either didnt have the stomach for sieging/assaulting Kiev or never had the capability. Once Ukraine failed to capitulate they turned around and went home and meatgrinder turned on.
Of course they had to use their best units. Otherwise the ukrops would have seen through their trick and sent more forces to reinforce the majority of their forces on the Donbass front.
They turned around and pulled back when the trap was completed and the vast majority of the best ukrop formations were either destroyed or so badly mauled they had to be completely rebuilt using conscripts.
What went wrong here was that the Russians did not expect the amount of civilian resistance they received. They made the mistake of underestimating the number of globalhomo simps in northeastern ukropland.
Another problem was that the retreat was not exactly executed perfectly and loads of pro-Russian civilians were left behind, leading to their slaughter at Bucha by ukrops, who then painted it as a Russian war crime.

Ive seen enough videos of Russians being absolutely annihilated due to sheer retardation to know they have very serious issues with battlefield tactics. They simply throw men and firepower at a objective until they take it.

Heres a fantastic and fairly recent example of this. A platoon worth of Russians being utterly destroyed in idiotic fashion;

I highly doubt the legitimacy of that video. There are some major discrepancies within the video compared to what I have noticed regarding Russian forces.
1. Almost none of the tanks have any sort of identifying mark. I only saw a very faint "Z" on one of the BMPs. Previously, the ukrops have been caught painting the "ZVO" signs on their own destroyed AFVs and trying to sell them as Russian losses. Oryx (bellingcat affiliate) was particularly infamous for doing that and it might be one of the main reasons why he's out of work. He can't play the same trick anymore with so much western gear.
2. No white or red arm/leg bands on the soldiers. The Russians cover themselves with that stuff to prevent friendly fire incidents. But here I cannot see anything, not even the faint hint of red or white on their camo fatigues.
3. Light colored plate carriers. Russian plate carriers are overwhelmingly dark green in almost every video of them I've seen. DPR/LPR are the same as well since they're now supplied by the Russians.
4. The light shade of the uniforms. Russians generally wear the dark green "Woodland" EMR camo pattern in 90% of the videos I have seen, though in certain cases I have seen them wear the lighter "Steppe" EMR camo pattern. ukrop camo on the other hand, is uniformly light to the point I think they are desert camo.

Almost forgot my conclusion.
This is footage of a failed ukrop attack rebranded as a failed Russian attack. It has happened before, it will happen again.
 
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Naturally its significantly easier to defend an objective than it is to assault it. Even incompetent defenders can pose significant issues and make life hard for competent assaulters. See battle of Fallujah or whats going on now in Gaza.
Certainly defense is easier than offense. However you said Russia could not conduct "combined arms tactics". I gave you two examples where they did. You should probably say Russia isn't capable of conducting large scale offensive operations which I think is false but it would at least be closer to what you seemed to have meant.
And yet where are they at? Still stuck in far eastern Ukraine fighting over small insignificant villages. Thats some successful combined arms.

Yes Russia has a ungodly amount of artiliery but the problem is bombing/shelling someone is it doesnt win a war or take an objective. The US has clearly proved you can bomb the fuck out of whatever you want and its ultimately meaningless.
Yeah sure it would nice if Russia could win more quickly. Capturing more territory would not meaningfully change the strategic situation. If Russia owns Kharkov or not the strategic situation is the same. Furthermore if Russia had captured basically everything east of the Dnieper Ukraine wouldn't just stop fighting. Control of territory doesn't change the strategic situation. However what does change the strategic situation is degrading Ukraine's capability. Russia is chewing through Ukrainian resources both in a numerical sense but also in a quality sense. I will remind you that it took the USSR years to wear down Germany enough to really begin recapturing significant amounts of territory. And WW2 is probably THE shining example of maneuver warfare. Ukraine is losing some of its best and most well trained units and it cannot replace them. Eventually given enough attrition Ukraine will be weak enough that conducting large scale offensive maneuvers makes strategic sense.

To address your artillery shelling comment. You are correct that bombing or bombardment alone doesn't really accomplish much. But the Russians have developed a tactical and operational approach to leverage their increased capacity for artillery bombardment while minimizing casualties while also fighting against greater numbers. I explained this approach very thoroughly in this post if you care to read the details. https://kiwifarms.hk/threads/russia...-in-the-ukraine.150029/page-796#post-17422158
The main point is that Russia has developed a way to cause Ukraine massive amounts of casualties with minimal expenditure given her limited resources.

Im just someone who realizes Putin/Russia isnt any better or more noble than western globohomos, theyre both engaged in the same idiotic pointless games as they where back in Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea or hell literally the old "great game" etc. This is just another entirely stupid conflict throwing away normal people's lives and money while the repsective powers that be not face the consequences of their idiocy.
The thing is this is the exact opposite of that type of conflict. You are referring to something Clausewitz would call a cabinet war or Kabinettskriege. And Putin probably wanted this type of war. But Ukraine decided to turn this into a war of peoples or Volkskriege. A cabinet war often involves limited war aims with something like some small territorial concessions. A war of peoples is about the complete and utter destruction of a people's ability to wage war. If Russia loses this war, which is extremely unlikely that Ukraine would be able to accomplish what Austrian Painter couldn't do, Russia would be subjected to complete and utters horrors at the hand of the west. Furthermore Russian speakers and ethnic russians were/are under threat. These are pretty damn good reasons to fight if you ask me.

I think you are absolutely correct in regards to Ukraine and the west. This is absolutely a cynical play to lead Ukraine by the nose and then betray them.

Although when I see Ukraine sell itself to Babylon for promises of great wealth and then I see Ukraine massively hurt and destroyed as a result I see a people getting exactly what they deserve. In a strange sort of way Ukraine deserves everything that is happening to it even though I really wish they hadn't sold themselves. And I do feel quite bad for the Ukrainians who didn't want to sell themselves but all of their countrymen decided to.
 
If Russia loses this war, which is extremely unlikely that Ukraine would be able to accomplish what Austrian Painter couldn't do, Russia would be subjected to complete and utters horrors at the hand of the west.
Putin and everyone in government has made it clear they aren't going to suffer that. I don't think its an empty threat, either.

Russia set fire to Moscow rather than allow Napoleon to take it intact. Those are the people that the West thinks it can steamroll.
 
No.

Russia thought this was gonna be Crimea 2.0. Roll in with your military and watch Ukrainians do nothing. Except the Ukrainians did something this time and so far Russia has probably lost 30k+ troops and turned a decent portion of what once was very fertile, useful Ukrainian territory into a toxic waste dump of UXO, bodies and destroyed armor.

This has turned into a slow meatgrinder because its very clear Russians have zero capability to execute combined arms tactics. Theyre stuck moving inch by inch throwing columns of men and vehicles at a position/city until they take it.

You are in the wrong thread.
 
Imagine if Russia fired off a big social media campaign that goes into detail about how people's lives would be better under Russian rule. They could play into liberal fears like how they will incarcerate the homosexuals and force women to be stay-at-home wives and they very well might have general populations begging for them to invade.
I can imagine, but close to nobody would buy it. We do have homoaexuals, even in government (oh no...), thing is they can't do shit aside from pozzing each other in the neghole.
No.

Russia thought this was gonna be Crimea 2.0. Roll in with your military and watch Ukrainians do nothing. Except the Ukrainians did something this time and so far Russia has probably lost 30k+ troops and turned a decent portion of what once was very fertile, useful Ukrainian territory into a toxic waste dump of UXO, bodies and destroyed armor.

This has turned into a slow meatgrinder because its very clear Russians have zero capability to execute combined arms tactics. Theyre stuck moving inch by inch throwing columns of men and vehicles at a position/city until they take it.
nafofaggots thread is 6 feet under, hombre.
 
If anything the video's a GOOD example for most African armies. Yeah they're shooting with their eyes closed and vaguely in the direction of the enemy (which most tend to do anyway trained or not) but the soldiers are clearly taking orders, more or less understand what they have to do, and aren't running away the second they get shot at, the Major is literally giving orders under fire (which eventually gets him shot) and has the good sense to send people up a building where he thinks they might be taking fire from and gets his men up top with a great vantage point, etc etc. At the end of the day they're fighting rebels with even worse training and equipment than they have, they'd get slaughtered in a real war, sure, but it's good enough for their conflict.

At the end of the day the place was breached by the French eventually and they discovered it was being held by like 13 guys, it might sound embarrassing but considering the lack of artillery or even mortars, 13 people could probably hold a place like that for days against a force that isn't particularly willing to fight close quarters
True, most African militaries have to deal with God awful funding, clapped out gear and higher ups stealing that funding and their soldiers pay.

Those guys in the video were doing decent enough with AKs, PKMs, some RPGs and 40+ year old Soviet armored cars.

Ethiopia and Nigeria show what an African army can do with better equipment and funding, as can Uganda and Rwanda.
Most modern uniforms make an attempt at mitigating your visiblity on thermals. Most thermal optics arent really temperature based, they estimate your termperature based on what part of the infrared band you are radiating on the most, and then compare the intensity of the radiation to what would be expected of from a blackbody. Most inert crap on the ground is a black body, so it tends to highlight artificial things relatively well in most conditions without taking undue notice of hot rocks in the sun and so on (this is my understanding from my own reading). You can make your soldiers more blackbody-like intentionally.

People still look around with their eyes a lot, and with the understanding infantry engagements often happen at 50-200 meters, camo does a lot to lessen the distance you get spotted at.


I was kindof baffled by how this seems to end with the tank being disabled. It really looks like the M2s are engaging with HEI belts which don't really penetrate steel armor at all. The guys in the tank honestly may have wound up abandoning a mostly undamaged vehicle.
The tank crew hopped out after the tank was hit by an FPV drone
 
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