I dont agree with that interpretation either. The last church service I attended recently was an Episcopalian church led by two women pastors. It was literally the first time in my life I didn't feel blatantly threatened by authority.
Yeah, well - YOU try surviving the fucking Gothard cult and see if you come out with all your marbles intact. Let me know how that goes.
Right, because the trend of church attendance and people identifying as Christian dropping in proportion to the rise of societal decay means we need to exacerbate that trend. Genius!
Sounds like a problem child with a personality disorder, normal people spank their kids and normal kids learn from it.
Then you just don't agree with the Bible. Nobody is saying a woman can't be a school teacher or head nurse or something, I'm not sure why anybody normal wants to reinterpret the Bible so that it says women are the head of household.
I'd rather not despite having no idea what that is, but I hope you recover.
I actually can blame parental abuse for my fucked up brain, since every mental illness I'm diagnosed with is heavily linked to trauma. BPD is essentially super spicy PTSD
Spanking isn't abuse, if you're a mess because of that then you're blaming the wrong people, look within.
You have my sympathy, because while I didn't experience it firsthand some of my best friends did. It's literally being raised in a cult.
Oh bullshit. You don't get to claim authority in this domain. At one point in my indoctrination I memorized the ENTIRE BIBLE, dude. I can still quote whole books by heart. You don't even know who John Piper is and the Gospel Coalition represents some 50M evangelical Christians. You have zero expertise in this area.
Looking within made me realize I'm fucked up because my brainmeats never formed correctly due to abuse in my formative years. My challenge as in adult is trying to learn how to rewire the brain meats in a more healthy way.
Don't be obtuse. Anybody with a developed frontal lobe knows that being in a position of leadership places you above others, if not in a hierarchical context then just because of the amount of skill it requires to do it right. Not only to tardwrangle a bunch of people who don't have the forethought or charisma to keep a group together, but to make intelligent choices that don't endanger the rest of the group, the "flock" if you will. Implying that women aren't meant to occupy places of leadership implies that they're neither intelligent or charismatic. Which is true if your sample size is all e-thots, WASP women who obey their daddies, and femcels on KF.
Why not a doctor or a principal? I know it's something of a progressive cliche, urging little girls to become doctors when they grow up, and it's not as if nurses aren't important in the medical profession (Florence Nightingale anyone?) but it's strange that these are the first examples that came to your head.
Sure, but I'm talking more about how the pedophile priest is a stereotype now when the vast majority are nothing of the sort. This does have a negative effect because for many communities the church is the glue that keeps people together and with the diminishing power that faith has over people, the more atomized and culturally isolated people become.
Not trying to do a gotcha but these are contradictory statements.
Is it? I haven't read the scientific literature on the matter but from what I understand there hasn't been a demonstrated effect. If you do have any sources on it, I'd be happy to read them, although as I said, I don't have any stake in it as it's not something I've experienced, nor something I would practice myself.
Yeah, no offense, but you don't know what the utter fuck you're talking about.
Look, I realize that Android Raptor isn't exactly the paragon of likability but telling somebody who's broken to "look within themselves" is peak retard. Besides I'd think it'd be more helpful to support someone who's fucked rather than washing your hands of them and telling them to "do it yourself, dick". I know you're not under any obligation to serve as some random bitch's internet therapist/pastor but if you think she's mental just put her on ignore and be done with her. You're not gonna save her soul with platitudes and calling her a psycho.
If anything the abuse is downplayed, especially abuse amongst Southern Baptists and anything other than Catholics. I've only really seen the SBC abuse scandal being discussed amongst hardcore fundiesnark types (at least half of whom are products of fundie parents).
Forcing everyone to abide by conservative Christian beliefs is a problem. The US is not supposed to be a theocracy, and theocracies are always oppressive shitholes.
This is interesting, but I do have some methodological qualms and I would imagine this is behavior that is heavily confounded by genes.
I suppose it depends where you're coming from. Based on what you've said I'm guessing you have a history of such abuse and for that you have my sympathies. From my perspective, the church exists more as a backdrop and while I was raised Christian, the decline of Christianity was plain to see over time and I left the church because it wasn't something I was actively encouraged to do. I did spend a lot of my life engaged with the church though, and there was no abuse.
I disagree. Like I said, your outlook probably differs a lot due to your background, but before the rapid decline of the church it was something that gave life meaning to the people connected to it. Sure, forcing beliefs on people is bad, but we just don't live in an age any more where there's heavy social pressure to conform to Christian beliefs in the West. What might come across as imposing beliefs on people is often families scared to death that when their loved ones leave them they'll get indoctrinated into developing a mental illness and mutilating themselves. What's replacing Christianity as the hegemonic belief system is definitely worse and people realize this.
I will concede that while a social structure based on Christianity is flawed, it generally beats the alternative.
Yeah that decline doesn't exist here. People leaving the church often is due to abuse. Kids of fundie parents rarely continue the same beliefs as adults, especially girls who manage to escape before being babytrapped into whatever cult her parents are in.
That also frequently happens amongst fundies and they generally don't handle it well. One of my friends had a roommate at PCC who previously had issues with cutting but was clean a while, and was disciplined and accused of cutting for having scissors on her bed for a project.
You could also use 1 Timothy 2 from -9 onwards (This is the King James translation of the Bible)
Religion isn't there to make you feel comfortable. If you're not actively being challenged to lead a better, more fulfilling life every day you're approaching the whole practice of faith the wrong way, no matter which church you choose to go to or which God choose you believe in.
Yeah, see, I don't give a shit. Perhaps you're a bit slow on the uptake, friend, but I am not religious.
