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They've more or less eliminated it in Israel by keeping genetic registries of TS and other common Ashkenazi-associated disorders.
Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial
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Climaxing Sunset
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Don’t forget inter ethnic Jewish marriages between Ashkenazis and Sephardic and mizrahim
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I'm glad none of my Acadian family would be worked up over a messed up baby being aborted. I guess it's more due to the cultural difference between the Southern states and Atlantic Canada.
Is that counting Quebecers and Acadians as the same group? I don't know if they were from the same areas or what founding effect each population had but I've always considered them separate. Acadians are considered to be mostly from Poitou, iirc.
Climaxing Sunset
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Quebecers are separate I think
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Potatoniggers outside of the big cities are as hopelessly interrelated as the average Mormon community tbh, though they have decent enough access to medical care and screening. Everyone is everyone else's cousin.
Jews have done well to screen out incidence of TS, given the very limited breeding stock they had available for so long. Large diaspora communities and the fact that a lot of non-observant Jews marry outside of the faith/genetic pool definitely help too.
I and a few others have brought it up here in the past, that the Pakistani population in Europe (I can only really speak about Bongland but I've read that it happens in Yurop too) are STILL absolutely fucking themselves over with consanguineous marriage, despite the having the same access to decent medical care and screening as the Jews and the potatoniggers do. You can lead a horse to water.....
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Weird, last I heard the rate of cousin marriage amongst Pakastanis in bongland has gone down over the past decade. Someone posted an article about it ITT not too long ago.
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Yeah, I think that was actually me. 'Gone down' is a relative term though, they're still an incestuous mess compared to the rest of the population. The more traditional parts of their community still practice cousin marriage quite happily, from what I have been let to understand... 'Normal for Norfolk' should really be 'normal for Sparkhill', these days.
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Has anyone seen/posted about this kid? It's a fucked up situation, and the worst part is based on what i've seen on this thread w cognitive brain deformities n behavior, the poor kid is probably barely there and yet they're still giving the mother hope. (2nd video is mostly a recap but has some new info near the end)
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I remember that one, yes. What haunts me is they say "he cries all the time" and the implication is that he's constantly suffering from terrible pain.
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That phrase just gave a raging hard-on to every Quebec separatist alive and maybe even the dead.
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when the kid is sitting on the plane he has sunset eyes to rival Luna Buna, so his intracranial pressure is also through the roof with hydrocephalus.
I was going to say maybe he has the same thing as Luna but it says he's looked strange from birth, so something congenital instead of an injury during birth.
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If i remember right he had Crouzon or Pfeiffer Syndrome its not hydrocephalus his skull fused prematurely.
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The backstory is fucking horrible too.
Woman asked to kill baby, husband vanished saying: "Send it back to the devil you got it from" (video)
A woman who has given birth to a child with a malformed head has been abandoned by the husband who asked her to “send it back to the devil where she got it from”
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Yeah I'd imagine the mom didn't have access to prenatal screening b/c developing country. Sounds like someone trying to do the best in a completely shit situation 
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this is why I find Robyn so appalling - she has access and still doesn't give a fuck.Yeah I'd imagine the mom didn't have access to prenatal screening b/c developing country. Sounds like someone trying to do the best in a completely shit situation
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There is a home birth CPM named Karen Carr that killed a bunch of American babies and she "volunteered" in Uganda for a while after being investigated in multiple states. I feel bad for the mums over there that thought she had specialized Western nurse training like a nurse midwife and got a crappy CPM with a home study certificate and no medical training instead.
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Late and gay to this, and all.....but this isn't accurate.
People with DS are not "guaranteed" to have heart defects, dementia or cancer. I don't know where you got your information, but that's not reality.
Yes, they are at higher risk of heart defects. About half of people with DS have them, and most are very fixable. My niece was born with one called tetralogy of Fallot, which used to be called "blue baby syndrome". That's considered a more serious defect. But she's had a corrective operation in infancy, will most likely need another one in her 20's that can probably be done via catheter, and she's a hyper little thing.
About 30% of people with DS will develop dementia in their early 50's, with about half of them having it in their late 50's. Most of this is due to the fact that people with DS are living longer than ever before (which, incidentally, is part of the reason why Alzheimer' s is increasing, since normies are also living longer.) In the 1980's, they generally lived to their 30's', but now it's not unusual for them to live until their 60's.
Cancer is a little weird - for some reason, people with DS don't tend to develop "solid" tumors like normies do (such as breast and prostate cancer), but they are at higher risk of leukemia. Even though they are at higher risk of leukemia, only about 3% of people with DS get the disease.
What makes it even weirder is that if they get a type of leukemia called ALL, they are more likely to die.....but if they get a type of leukemia called AML, they are more likely to live through it than normies. No one really knows why that is. Overall, when you take their lifetime risk of all kinds of cancer......it's not noticeably different from normies.
I wish my niece didn't have DS. It makes her life more difficult, obviously. If there was some way to cure it or take it from her, damn straight I'd do it. But it's far from a nightmare existence in the 21st century, and saying that they are "suffering" only shows that you are not aware of how far medicine and society have come over the past few years.
Not only that, researchers looking into "why this happens with DS" or "why this doesn't happen with DS" are helping the rest of us understand ourselves better. If we can figure out, for example, why people with DS don't get X /do get X, it might help the rest of us figure out ways to lower our risk of those conditions, too. They're helping us discover new oncogenes and possibly more effective treatments.
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Yes, they are at higher risk of heart defects. About half of people with DS have them, and most are very fixable. My niece was born with one called tetralogy of Fallot, which used to be called "blue baby syndrome". That's considered a more serious defect. But she's had a corrective operation in infancy, will most likely need another one in her 20's that can probably be done via catheter, and she's a hyper little thing.
About 30% of people with DS will develop dementia in their early 50's, with about half of them having it in their late 50's. Most of this is due to the fact that people with DS are living longer than ever before (which, incidentally, is part of the reason why Alzheimer' s is increasing, since normies are also living longer.) In the 1980's, they generally lived to their 30's', but now it's not unusual for them to live until their 60's.
Cancer is a little weird - for some reason, people with DS don't tend to develop "solid" tumors like normies do (such as breast and prostate cancer), but they are at higher risk of leukemia. Even though they are at higher risk of leukemia, only about 3% of people with DS get the disease.
What makes it even weirder is that if they get a type of leukemia called ALL, they are more likely to die.....but if they get a type of leukemia called AML, they are more likely to live through it than normies. No one really knows why that is. Overall, when you take their lifetime risk of all kinds of cancer......it's not noticeably different from normies.
I wish my niece didn't have DS. It makes her life more difficult, obviously. If there was some way to cure it or take it from her, damn straight I'd do it. But it's far from a nightmare existence in the 21st century, and saying that they are "suffering" only shows that you are not aware of how far medicine and society have come over the past few years.
Not only that, researchers looking into "why this happens with DS" or "why this doesn't happen with DS" are helping the rest of us understand ourselves better. If we can figure out, for example, why people with DS don't get X /do get X, it might help the rest of us figure out ways to lower our risk of those conditions, too. They're helping us discover new oncogenes and possibly more effective treatments.
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It's not exactly inaccurate, though.
Heart defects occur frequently in children with trisomy 21 (Down syndrome) and represent the most common cause of death before 2 years of age in that group. Approximately 60% of children born with DS will also have a congenital heart defect, most often one called atrioventricular septal defect (AVSD), characterized by an abnormal opening in the septum separating the chambers of the heart. The severity of symptoms depends on the size of the septal defect, and smaller ones may resolve without surgical intervention. In cases of complete AVSD, all four of the heart's chambers communicate with each other, allowing oxygenated blood to flow from the lungs to the heart back to the lungs without ever reaching the rest of the body. In addition to the obvious problems caused by inadequate oxygenation, the backflow of blood into the pulmonary arteries results in pulmonary hypertension, which is difficult to control and can be fatal.
Another common congenital heart defect in children with Down syndrome is tetralogy of Fallot, which is a constellation of 4 cardiac malformations. It's considered a "critical congenital heart defect", meaning that affected infants require surgery during the first weeks or months of life.
Another common congenital heart defect in children with Down syndrome is tetralogy of Fallot, which is a constellation of 4 cardiac malformations. It's considered a "critical congenital heart defect", meaning that affected infants require surgery during the first weeks or months of life.
Children with Down syndrome are at substantially increased risk of developing acute leukemias. In particular, a type of acute myeloid leukemia (AML) called acute megakaryoblastic leukemia is 500+ times more common in young children with Down syndrome than in age-matched control populations. Down syndrome also increases the risk of developing another kind of leukemia called acute lymphoblastic leukemia (ALL) which is also the most common type of childhood malignancy. None of this means that all kids with Down syndrome get leukemia, but the association is clear and has been known since the 1930s. The link between trisomy 21 and leukemia is not fully understood, but a promising candidate is a gene called RUNX1, which is located on chromosome 21 and regulates the development of blood cells in bone marrow. It appears that having an extra copy of RUNX1 is at least partly responsible for the increased risk of AML observed in people with Down syndrome.
Something that I find intriguing is that in general, childhood AML has a worse outcome than childhood ALL. Approximately 90% of children diagnosed with ALL will be completely cured by treatment. For all types of childhood AML, however, the 5 year overall survival rate is only about 60%.
Down syndrome associated acute megakaryoblastic leukemia (DS-AMKL) has a particularly good prognosis, with some studies indicating a 5 year overall survival rate of almost 100%, whereas less than 50% of children with non-DS AMKL will survive 5 years from diagnosis.
Something that I find intriguing is that in general, childhood AML has a worse outcome than childhood ALL. Approximately 90% of children diagnosed with ALL will be completely cured by treatment. For all types of childhood AML, however, the 5 year overall survival rate is only about 60%.
Down syndrome associated acute megakaryoblastic leukemia (DS-AMKL) has a particularly good prognosis, with some studies indicating a 5 year overall survival rate of almost 100%, whereas less than 50% of children with non-DS AMKL will survive 5 years from diagnosis.
Because they have an extra copy of chromosome 21, individuals with Down syndrome have a greatly increased risk of developing Alzheimer-type dementia, and they are often younger at disease onset than patients without DS. By age 40, almost all individuals with DS have microscopic changes in their brain tissue which are hallmarks of Alzheimer disease, although not all of them will be symptomatic. By age 60, around half of people with DS will meet the diagnostic criteria for Alzheimer dementia.
So, obviously, none of these conditions is "guaranteed" to affect people with DS, but it happens frequently enough to be concerning, and I don't blame anyone who terminates a pregnancy after deciding that the risk for their child is unacceptable. Like many things about choosing to have a baby, it's a gamble, and it's okay to opt not to play.
It's not really about the risk of death from a heart defect, leukemia, or dementia. There are worse fates than that.
Quick edit to say that more recent studies indicate that Down syndrome is not actually an adverse prognostic factor in childhood ALL, although we used to believe that to be the case.
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Downs is kind of a complicated issue since people with it can have a good quality of life even if they live shorter due to early-onset dementia and other health issues. However I know it can come bundled with fatal heart defects that can be detected in utero.
There's also the fact that disabled kids are at higher risk of abuse than non-disabled kids. If someone wants to abort a fetus for Downs, they're probably not going to want or take good care of a whole-ass kid with Downs. There are way too many horror stories of Downs kids being abused and even murdered by their caregivers, and no kid deserves to be born into a situation they aren't 100% wanted and loved as they are.
Downs isn't as bad as other trisomies and medical advancements in the past couple decades have greatly improved the prognosis for Downs. Hopefully advancements will continue and everyone with Downs will be able to live a good life and have caregivers who love and support them (not abusers).
There's also the fact that disabled kids are at higher risk of abuse than non-disabled kids. If someone wants to abort a fetus for Downs, they're probably not going to want or take good care of a whole-ass kid with Downs. There are way too many horror stories of Downs kids being abused and even murdered by their caregivers, and no kid deserves to be born into a situation they aren't 100% wanted and loved as they are.
Downs isn't as bad as other trisomies and medical advancements in the past couple decades have greatly improved the prognosis for Downs. Hopefully advancements will continue and everyone with Downs will be able to live a good life and have caregivers who love and support them (not abusers).
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It's also completely acceptable to decide that you don't want your infant or young child to have to endure painful, invasive interventions such as open heart surgery, very high dose chemotherapy, or stem cell transplant, even if said interventions would be curative, and that is never a guaranteed outcome. Children with critical heart defects or acute leukemia will suffer at some point during treatment, regardless of the quality of the care they receive or whether they ultimately survive. Sometimes, the most merciful, humane, and loving choice is not to let those things happen to your child, even if that means that he or she will die.
It's probably the hardest decision a parent can ever have to make, and the entire situation is pretty much incomprehensible to those of us fortunate enough to never have experienced that kind of anguish. Sometimes, you just have to choose between two different kinds of unimaginable, intractable pain. It's choosing to take the suffering from an innocent party in order to bear it yourself.