Mega Rad Gun Thread

I own a switch (or rather my shop does) and I have kicked around the idea of using a G17L. I think it would be perfect for this exact configuration but my only concern is sear length of the switch itself, I have never had my hands on a G17L so I'm not sure if it'd be the same as a G17, I'm assuming it is. Worse case I make a specific sear for it, no biggie
Under US law, does adding a machine gun conversion kit (switch) to a pistol make it a machine gun for the purposes of attaching a grip+stock legally?
As I understand it, SBR/AOW rules don't apply once it's a machine gun, but if it's only an applied conversion kit does it actually take on that title?
 
Under US law, does adding a machine gun conversion kit (switch) to a pistol make it a machine gun for the purposes of attaching a grip+stock legally?
As I understand it, SBR/AOW rules don't apply once it's a machine gun, but if it's only an applied conversion kit does it actually take on that title?
The switch is a registered machine gun on its own merit, so yes once applied to a Glock the Glock is now a machine gun. Machine guns can have any barrel length as you stated. If the switch is removed from the Glock while it still has a stock/foregrip then it is now a SBR. It is that retarded
 
Under US law, does adding a machine gun conversion kit (switch) to a pistol make it a machine gun for the purposes of attaching a grip+stock legally?
As I understand it, SBR/AOW rules don't apply once it's a machine gun, but if it's only an applied conversion kit does it actually take on that title?
as @Akran stated, a conversion kit as per your example "transforms" the pistol into a machinegun. a "machinegun" is legally distinct from a "firearm", "shotgun", "pistol", "rifle", "destructive device" or "suppressor".

18 USC's stipulations on barrel length, overall length, and various importation requirements (like 18 USC 922(g)) also do not generally apply to machineguns. many state laws do not apply to machineguns either since they typically copy and modify federal law or separate define various technical descriptions of firearms. CA for example has a separate overall length law that differs from federal law. in AK, the definition of an antique or replica firearm is more strict than federal law, and they are treated as any other firearm explicitly rather than as an exception for the purposes of tax/transfer/concealment, et c.

one caveat to the MG rule are parts kits where the machinegun is typically only a specific part such as a sear or receiver or some sort of frame or other piece. these part kits, when unassembled, are not machineguns, but are conversion parts which is a legal distinction and this distinction doesn't related to what the parts actually are or do.

example: i have a very early import FS2000 that isn't a dealer sample, but i converted a normal FS2000 into a machinegun with minimal parts swapping, and while it isn't transferable, the actual legal "MG" part is the top optic rail owing to the F2000 fire control group not having any serial numbers or markings and the BATFE wanting the legally mandated markings on metal etched with specific requirements rather than on plastic. the fire control group and the entire rest of the gun is a "parts kit" that incorporates the "machinegun" as a part. the fire control group, by itself, is not a machinegun, but are conversion parts that when installed in a different firearm convert that firearm into a machinegun.
 
I got a bit of a philosophical question.

Is it better to own 3 AR-15s of the same build roughly with all the same identical parts.

Or 3 AR-15s of different builds.

Like one is a full blown M16 clone and one is a M4 clone and one is a middy with an A2 stock for example.

Or own three builds that are all M4A1 clones.
I'd go with different ones. I have two that are pretty similar (16" pencil profile/mid gas), but one has been kitted out for more rough and tumble stuff with a 30mm tube dot, light, etc. and the other is a more purpose-built lightweight run n gun toy (KP-15, JPE buffer, adjustable GB) with one of the PA 5x micros and an offset dot. The other ARs are a 18" faux-SPR wearing a 4-16x plus an offset reflex and an 18" .308 AR-10 with a similar 4-16x, both with bipods and fixed stocks.

That said, I shoot my bolt-actions more often these days.
 
Any of you fine kiwis have any experience in what I call the staccato-ites? Mainly the Wilsons EDC, Dan Wesson DWX compact or kimber KDS?
 
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Wilsons EDC, Dan Wesson DWX compact or kimber KDS
KDS9c is "okay" but not worth the money imho. DWX is pretty good if you stick with 124gr ammo and aren't prone to limp-wristing. it's an improved Para P-10. i've heard good things about the Wilson EDC, but no "wow" factors. Fusion Riptide i also hear positive stuff about.

personally, a well shot Tisas 1911 Carry or cheap Para P13-45, or the first "modern" 1911 carry, the Star Firestar M45 will see people through a fight with minimal fuss. remember, a carry gun has every opportunity to disappear into an evidence locker or lost in a flood or rusted up from a rain storm or your acid sweat on a hot day, so fancy carry guns are kinda meh.
 
example: i have a very early import FS2000 that isn't a dealer sample, but i converted a normal FS2000 into a machinegun with minimal parts swapping, and while it isn't transferable, the actual legal "MG" part is the top optic rail owing to the F2000 fire control group not having any serial numbers or markings and the BATFE wanting the legally mandated markings on metal etched with specific requirements rather than on plastic. the fire control group and the entire rest of the gun is a "parts kit" that incorporates the "machinegun" as a part. the fire control group, by itself, is not a machinegun, but are conversion parts that when installed in a different firearm convert that firearm into a machinegun.
I don't even like bullpups but that's a very cool rifle to own. You're an alright guy. If we ever hang out, the club sandwiches are on me.
Any of you fine kiwis have any experience in what I call the staccato-ites? Mainly the Wilsons EDC, Dan Wesson DWX compact or kimber KDS?
I've finger-fucked a WC EDCX9 and I own a Dan Wesson DWX. The EDCX9 had a great trigger, especially the reset. It also had that very crisp thumb safety action one sees on WC pistols. Their mags are priced very similarly to pistols like the Sig 320, S&W M&P, Beretta 92, etc.

I have the full size DWX. I've probably talked about how underwhelming it was in the past. The trigger on mine was rather mediocre, for all the hype about how it has the CZ 75 grip angle it doesn't fucking take CZ 75 mags, it doesn't utilize classic CZ slide rails, and it doesn't have nearly the aftermarket parts availability of any 1911 and many 2011s. I've also heard that said about the Kimber and the Wilson pistols. If you end up going for a compact model you may get a better example than I did. Overall I'm annoyed that such an average pistol has the MSRP it does. I haven't even fired it because my anal pain is so great.

I've never seen the Kimber pistol in person.

I bet the WC is legitimately a solid pistol but it's a lot more expensive than the other 2 options.

A lower cost 2011 option that surprised me with how good it is is the BUL Armory SAS II. I've gotten some trigger time on a friend's 4.25" model. Fucking fantastic trigger for its price, magazines are less expensive than something like Staccato and way less than for an SVI or an Atlas Gunworks. The one I got trigger time on has been fired a whole lot (well into the 5 digit round count), carried in a lot of different environments, and not babied at all. The finish looks as expected but the pistol itself hasn't required any parts replacements yet and has never had a malfunction not related to ammo or magazines.
 
I'm looking to purchase a new ccw. I've been watching alot of videos on .357 sig and I really like the performance from everything I've seen. But I keep hearing it's a round that is being phased out and theres really only two companies even making modern pistols chambering the thing: Glock and Sig. Not to mention that the price of even the cheap stuff is quite high. What are your guys thoughts on it? Am I better off sticking with 9mm? Or would something like 40 s&w be a wiser choice? Like I said I've looked into quite a bit but I always appreciate input from other Farmers
Personally, going against the grain, I'd go with .40 S&W. You can always find ammo, even during shortages, and there's plenty of pistols of all sizes in it. Ammo capacity isn't bad either, 15 is common. And while hit probability is important, 40 does have more power in general, plus a bigger hole.
Rate reduction is one way, like the doodad inside the pistolgrip of the Vz.61 Scorpion, keeps the cyclic rate very tolerable. Given the (sadly cancelled) 9mm Parabellum version which Ian showed off, this works pretty well even for a blowback 9mm gun, you just can't one-hand that one in full-auto like you can the original .32 (but it can still be shot like a pistol in semi).
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Otherwise, I think the Beretta 93r is one of the best approaches. Vent the muzzle, provide a very secure folding foregrip setup which is integral to the trigger guard (which you hook your thumb through, not gonna lose that grip), and limit the gun to Safe/Semi/Burst. You've got a solid enough forward point of contact, and you'd only ever be able to let off three shots at once, letting you keep the gun in control even with a very high cyclic rate.
I imagine that it's one kind of weapon which could benefit from having a laser in case you wanted to use it without a stock (but regrettably, I'll never get to test that theory out). You could definitely also make improvements on the 93r as a concept, but it will detract from the critical Beretta/Robocop sex appeal.
The Beretta 93r is actually a pretty good compromise. You still get a burst, bit since it's limited combined with the muzzle brake, you can actually hit shit
 
but i guess shows my experience with Norinco firearms is from decades ago.
Most people in the west don't have much experience with the newer hyper-cheap Norinco AKs I think. I figure they sell them to smaller and not very wealthy armies, guerillas and tinpot dictatorships probably. The entire marketing idea seems to be to undercut old Warsaw Pact surplus, because they won't be able to compete price wise with building to the same standard.

Where did you go wrong?
Being born in a country which was ruined by Communism, or being in an Asian or Middle Eastern country which is the throes of war. Would not be surprised if those things were sold to one or more factions fighting in Syria when it went tits up. Remember, some resorted to that shipment of old Stg-44s because they needed all the guns possible.
Again, a couple few nice Eastern European AKs, or bare minimum Chinese AKs, but lots and lots of them.
 
Check out the new rifle from PWS. I don't think I'll be picking one up myself seeing as I own enough PWS rifles in different calibers, but this could be a solid addition to someone's collection. Assuming they have a fuckton of money because these aren't cheap. I like that they put a bore evacuator on the barrels for these.

https://www.primaryweapons.com/firearms/uxr/ if you don't want watch a GayTube video.
 
Well, SHOT show is coming soon and some manufacturers have been releasing teasers or mini announcements.

PSA shocked me with their SWCH (switch)


It was semi announced last year but this update was interesting.

It seems to be a SIG P320 style modular pistol chassis combined with the DAGR (gen 3 Glock)

So you have what is essentially a modular Glock.... Fascinating
 
I got a bit of a philosophical question.

Is it better to own 3 AR-15s of the same build roughly with all the same identical parts.

Or 3 AR-15s of different builds.

Like one is a full blown M16 clone and one is a M4 clone and one is a middy with an A2 stock for example.

Or own three builds that are all M4A1 clones.
I’ve got 3 builds. A 16” M4gery, a 20” for longer ranges and a 350 legend 16” barrel as a ranch rifle.
 
I got a bit of a philosophical question.

Is it better to own 3 AR-15s of the same build roughly with all the same identical parts.

Or 3 AR-15s of different builds.

Like one is a full blown M16 clone and one is a M4 clone and one is a middy with an A2 stock for example.

Or own three builds that are all M4A1 clones.
same build but with different anime stickers on each one
 
I hope this leads to some common sense gun control.

You know, Alec Baldwin not being allowed to have guns.
That whole situation was dripping with the California attitude.

"Well it wasn't Alec's fault, guns just do that! They kill people!"

I'm glad responsibility for the whole situation is potentially going to land on a culpable party.
 
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