Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Bassomatic]

I mentioned before I'm no expert but, post Brandon Lee there was extra checks. Yes Armorer has responsibilities, but rough shake down triple fails on everyone.

Alec Baldwin aside being anti gun has violence related charges and can touch a gun? Dr dre when he shot training day had to use an airsoft or clone despite not firing. Because he's a felon. Alec can hold a real gun after slugging people vs slanging weed. Alec in his defense had idiots with gun before he checked.

But aside that he was taught too so, my pity is a zero.

 

[Club Sandwich]

From the actor's perspective it's not their job to ensure that the weapon is loaded with blanks since the armorer is supposed to just hand them a gun they've verified as safe.

not true for any production company i've ever worked with as an armorer. there is a producer that is responsible for working with me to select and secure firearms (as in, they provide secure storage location and i bring portable secure storage, my own locks, or simply deliver the firearms and ammunition each day of filming - they functionally do not leave my sight unless they are secured). even the super anti-gun actors i've worked with are forced to pay attention through a safety and firing course or they aren't being handed an actual firearm and have to use a nongun hero prop.

only the armor and the actor is intended to ever handle them, barring any assistants, and the actor is explicitly instructed on handling and inspection evertime the firearm changes hands or is otherwise moved from one controller to another. i inspect and make ready before delivery, before and after storage, before and after handing them to actors, and the actor performs in my presence and at my direction a visual and tactile inspection and we both agree that the weapon is ready for theatrical use. if we don't agree, i need to take it back for further diagnosing. this chain of custody is explicitly spelled out, isn't up for debate, and only very poorly managed productions will be lax about this.

the SAG's statement basically says as much with the additional caveat that actors are not intended to be subject matter experts and are not expected to be. however they are to obey the subject matter expert and responsible person at all times as a matter of safety. https://www.sagaftra.org/sag-aftra-statement-rust-charges

i fully believe "Rust" was very poorly managed.

this is where i'm really mystified at how the set was run. i've done armory work for major films, shitty direct to DVD stuff, foreign films made in parts of the US or at rented studios, et c, and what i described is the general practice. the film armorer, when it comes to the weapons and munitions, is the authority on the matter and should deny, confiscate, and walk if the production company doesn't want to play by the rules. insurance and safety demands this to be the case and so does many many years of accidental and negligent deaths over the years.

 

[8mm Cunningham]

what happens if Trijicon goes out of business

I don't work for a gun manufacturer, but I work for other OEMs and I have a little input on this. Trijicon is on the hook for 15+ years of manufacturing service. If this very successful company suddenly goes tits up on Monday, I guarantee that the government would find someone to service the ACOGs. They bought those and audited the companies financials and operations with the expectation of a certain lifespan, and it is probably much longer than you will own the optic. If it isn't Trijicon, it will be someone else that can service the tritium.

Not wanting to send it in for service is understandable, but saying that it might not be available is a little silly.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

I don't work for a gun manufacturer, but I work for other OEMs and I have a little input on this. Trijicon is on the hook for 15+ years of manufacturing service. If this very successful company suddenly goes tits up on Monday, I guarantee that the government would find someone to service the ACOGs. They bought those and audited the companies financials and operations with the expectation of a certain lifespan, and it is probably much longer than you will own the optic. If it isn't Trijicon, it will be someone else that can service the tritium.

Not wanting to send it in for service is understandable, but saying that it might not be available is a little silly.

companies like trijicon always get bought out when they go bankrupt anyway. I'm sure General Dynamics or Northrup-Grumman or Sig Sauer or HK or whoever would swoop in with pallets of cash.

 

[Distant Ranger]

They're definitely good parts kits, who's the builder of the rifle you see though. I know Atlantic was selling DDR builds a couple years ago that were decent builds, I had one for a bit and it was a great shooter. Builder quality is the more important thing to look at with a parts kit AK if you wanna use it as a shooter.

I think it's an Atlantic with a Childers stamped receiver that (from what i was told) was a polish surplus receiver that was just serialized by Childers. It's also a matching parts kit

 

[Finnish Air Force]

Former SEAL Team 6 Operator with the Ukraine International Legion. Looks like the Ukraine government ended up buying CZ Bren 2s for foreign volunteers. What's the can?

 

[Club Sandwich]

What's the can?

christ, that looks like an Allen Engineering suppressor i've used back in the early 2000's. i seriously doubt it's an actual AEM though that would be both rare and really weird. let's be real - there's not much to taking some steel, some washers, welding them in place or stacking with spacers and added some thread adapters to it and capping it off, then drilling a precision hole through the stack to align with the thread adapter. a competent machinist can turn them out with little effort and good measurements. a battlefield expedient suppressor from a bicycle shop just has to work well enough and be robust and cheap enough to be useful.

given the pixel count is single digits, it's hard to identify. guy in the back might be using some kind of donated surefire, or something from europe like SilentSteel or B&T or something, guy kneeling could be using Ukrainian's home grown or some GIS thing from CZ, or an old school OCM or AEM.

 

[WelperHelper99]

what is S&W teasing? the cynic in me predicts a new line of branded hunting gear. the optimist sees the imagery and hopes for a single action revolver (maybe they'll bring back the new model 3?) or more likely some sort of hunting oriented boltgun or shotgun.

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I'm not getting my hopes up. I've learned better. I keep hope that manufacturers are starting to think that tactishit is getting oversaturated but i doubt it.

Judging by the pictures, especially the one with ammo on the belt, it might be a lever gun. Which would be badass coming from S&W.

 

[Dean Pentel]

Though on that procedure, I think it's a bit ridiculous that standard practice in Hollywood is to just tell someone that the actual gun is completely safe to fire instead of the actor doing a cursory glance to make sure it's actually loaded with blanks.

even the super anti-gun actors i've worked with are forced to pay attention through a safety and firing course or they aren't being handed an actual firearm and have to use a nongun hero prop.

Shit Clubby, were you special forces or something? You've done a lot of stuff some of my friends that are do for work.

But primarily I wanted to say that actors are almost always retarded so I can imagine never relying on them for safety checks ever.

 

[HumptiDouji]

Are east german aks any good?

Yes. Mind though that the Germans didn't phosphate their AKs, they just blued them, so they are not even close to as tolerant of rust. Keep German AK parts oiled, optionally refinish them.

post Brandon Lee there was extra checks

Yes, the studios and insurance companies have been hyper-anal about things like these ever since. The fact that shit got to be run so sloppily on Rust is kind of suspect, considering the rules are strict enough that underage actors are basically not allowed to handle loaded guns on set anymore, just to name one thing.

They were violating most of the rules established since, and even some expected before that. Best I know, it's actually very rare to have injuries and fatalities from guns on movie sets, Halyna Hutchins is the first one in a very long time.

-snip-

Good post. Does Baldwin have any particular reputation in your line of work, or is was this movie a new level of arrogance and negligence for him?

 

[Club Sandwich]

Does Baldwin have any particular reputation in your line of work

that he's general asshole and plays favorites, not too far away from Joan Crawford in terms of attitude (not i never worked with Joan, but her reputation isn't exactly a secret). that can be said for a lot of actors/actresses though. best two people i ever worked in the film industry that are names you would recognize are Robin Williams (RIP, fantastic guy, extremely funny and quotable) and Keanu Reeves (my experience was in a training capacity, not armorer but he was very attentive and professional). there are several others that are great but aren't household names (yet, or unfortunately).

special forces or something?

i've just been around and done many things for many agencies.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

wut? S&W volcanic? Im predicting lever action at this point. If you'll remember you histroy lessons Winchester repeating arms was spun off of S&W in ~1856

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Carl Gustav M-45's sent to Ukraine:

They are sweet little subguns; one of the few vintage smgs I've actually fired. I couldn't get my hands on an MP-40 that particular day, but the others were a Suomi, M3 Grease Gun, and a Smith & Wesson M-76. Of the bunch, I liked the Carl Gustav probably the most; although the M3 is close, those things are hilarious fun.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

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wut? S&W volcanic? Im predicting lever action at this point. If you'll remember you histroy lessons Winchester repeating arms was spun off of S&W in ~1856

I am sure it is going to be a single action revolver and/or a lever gun.....

S&W might be launching an "Old West" lineup

 

[HumptiDouji]

S&W volcanic?

Horace Smith and Daniel Wesson were part of the Volcanic Repeating Arms Company before that flopped, and they went on to do revolvers. Given that the Volcanic itself was a complete turd which only has value as a historic curiosity, they probably aren't making those things, but likely this means a lever-action rifle.

 

[WhatInTheActualFuck]

I posted in the 'autistic purchases' thread, but I figure you guys might dig it too. Picked up a Cimarron Remington 1875 replica chambered in .357 as well as a replica of the 'Hand of God' holster that Russell Crowe's character wore in 3:10 to Yuma sized for a 7.5" barrel. The revolver is a joy to shoot and the leatherwork on the holster is pretty fantastic:

 

[Seafarer]

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wut? S&W volcanic? Im predicting lever action at this point. If you'll remember you histroy lessons Winchester repeating arms was spun off of S&W in ~1856

You know an idea I had for a gun is a Volcanic pistol that can fire metallic cartridges instead (sort of like a pistol version of the Henry). It could be chambered in .22 lr or other rimmed cartridges.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

I posted in the 'autistic purchases' thread, but I figure you guys might dig it too. Picked up a Cimarron Remington 1875 replica chambered in .357 as well as a replica of the 'Hand of God' holster that Russell Crowe's character wore in 3:10 to Yuma sized for a 7.5" barrel. The revolver is a joy to shoot and the leatherwork on the holster is pretty fantastic:

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Goddamn I'm hard right now.

Looks amazing

The pistol fits it perfectly

 

[Fried-Rice12]

Going out tonight for white tail. Out of the piles of things I own I find my most favorite is my most handy.

I'll be taking my FR8. Love that girl.

I was going ask if you were successful or not. Then I saw your other post.
Better luck next time!

Then this girl, who's the daughter of a seasoned movie armorer, was brought in more or less so that Alec Baldwin could claim that he had an armorer, as studio and insurance policy demands it. Conditions didn't improve, and ridiculously irresponsible shit kept going like usual, such as keeping live ammunition on set, storing it next to the guns and blanks, and random people apparently having free access to the guns, going and plinking with them between shoots.

I have heard that she was a nepotism hire and actually knew very little about the job. The whole situation was just a disaster waiting to happen.

But I have heard other rumblings. That the camerawoman killed was involved in making a documentary on human trafficking with a focus on children (something similar to Sound of Freedom). She was from Ukraine, a place where the trafficking of women and girls is an extreme problem.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

It's that awful time of the year again, brothers. ShotShow when all the guntubers go tonget wasted and bang hookers and every company is coming out with some new bullshit.

So far we have this neat holster from 100Concepts.