Star Wars Expanded Universe Fans/Cultists - I HOPE YOU LIKE STAR WARS AUTISM

[Admiral Piett]

"Jizzney"

We should really make a thread on this sperg.

He's also been begging for a PC:

 

[Shokew]

Let's see:

- An E-Begger
- Obsesses over Star Wars and whatnot
- No understanding of how businesses work
- Uneducated as fuck on things like computers

Yeah - I'm not too sure we need a page on this guy, someday, @Admiral Piett. He comes off like just another average YouTuber. We'll need more dirt that this guy is truly exceptional enough.

 

[Admiral Piett]

I know I keep posting this spergs crap. And I realize it's probably not needed, but he just keeps pumping out videos and he spews some funny junk.

Some highlights from the video

"[Revenge of the Sith is] the greatest tragedy of our time, in terms of film."

"Revenge of the Sith, one hundred years from now, will be remembered as the epic science fiction tragedy, it deserves to be remembered by."

He also spends a minute sperging about the toy collection he has.

"His [Hayden Christiansons] portrayal is fantastic. You absolutely understand his motivation. You completely understand why he's doing what he's doing."

"Aside from some wooden acting, it's a masterpiece."

"It's an epic masterpiece! Get that through your damn, prequel hating, assholes!!1!"

"The performances are fantastic!!"

"Like Titanic in space."

"Revenge of the Sith, ten out of ten. Fuck anybody who doesn't agree with me."

"It's like the French Revolution you stupid fucks!"

"I do not recognize episode seven's right to exist! I know I sound like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (I think that's what he says, it isn't clear)."

"I recognize Israels right to exist! Be-[Spits]! I don't care what you say! Because everything else surrounding that country is barbaric!"

"The prequel trilogy is canon! The sequels aren't! They don't have George Lucas' approval!1! Fuck J.J Abrams! Fuck Jizzney! Fuck Kathleen Kennedy! And fuck anybody involved in that movie! The prequels are canon!!1!!"

 

[BurningPewter]

I don't get how they say the EU existed from 1976. I'm pretty sure the Legends EU began in the early 90s with the Zahn books and all the comics and novels from the previous 15 years (Marvel green rabbit, Splinter of the mind) were out of cannon by then.

Also sure the Zahn books have been OUT of canon since the prequels since a big part of them revolved around his personal version of the clone wars.

And, there was tension between the novels and the 90s comics. In one of the later Zahn books Mara Jade says the events of Dark Empire were a false propaganda story and the Emperor never had clones (refering to the authors derision of that comic) .

So to say it was all perfect is ridiculous..

even the PS1 Teras Kasi beat em up didn't happen you say?

 

[neverendingmidi]

I don't get how they say the EU existed from 1976. I'm pretty sure the Legends EU began in the early 90s with the Zahn books and all the comics and novels from the previous 15 years (Marvel green rabbit, Splinter of the mind) were out of cannon by then.

Also sure the Zahn books have been OUT of canon since the prequels since a big part of them revolved around his personal version of the clone wars.

And, there was tension between the novels and the 90s comics. In one of the later Zahn books Mara Jade says the events of Dark Empire were a false propaganda story and the Emperor never had clones (refering to the authors derision of that comic) .

So to say it was all perfect is ridiculous..

even the PS1 Teras Kasi beat em up didn't happen you say?

Alan Dean Foster's book "Splinter in the Mind's Eye" came out in between "A New Hope" and "Empire Strikes Back". It's... Okay. Very dated in style. I was going through both a Star Wars and a Alan Dean Foster phase at the same time in middle school and ran across it at the library.

 

[BurningPewter]

I read the graphic novel version of Mind's Eye about 20 years ago. I remember Luke gets even heavier with Leia (almost a Kyle Reese and Sarah Connor night) and has a very "Force Awakens" snow forest fight with Vader.

 

[BurningPewter]

This guy is so insanely bitter, and so bizarre.

wow thanks. What a great Aspie lunatic.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

Apologies if this has been brought up already in the past 31 pages. The one thing that always made me cringe at the EU, and make it hard for me to understand how anyone could really respect it, was just how fucking lazy the writing was.

You gonna write an alien character? Oh, just make him a carbon copy of the one that you briefly saw in one of the films. All rodians are stupid seedy mercenaries, because Greedo. All twi'lek males and females are ugly grungy gangsters or sexy dancers with constantly bare midriffs respectively, because Bib Fortuna and Jabba's slave dancers. All bothans are good at espionage because a team of them stole the death star plans (and in respect to the early influence Zahn had, they're all antagonistic politicians too because of the one that he wrote). It's so bad that the one hutt we know, Jabba, is an obese crime lord, therefore all of the hutt's interstellar-level society is based around building criminal empires and getting as fat as you can is the only sign of prosperity they care about. There is a minor hutt character in one book who can't advance in society because he had a genetic disorder that makes it difficult for his body to maintain a lot of mass. I couldn't make up stuff this shallow if I tried.

The other gripe I have with the writing's laziness is how your average side character is basically just another guy who has read all of the EU material and knows everything you do. Why is it public knowledge throughout the galaxy that Luke Skywalker is Vader's kid? No one has to know that information, why would Luke and the rebel leadership volunteer it publicly? Leia becomes president of the republic, wouldn't that shit be a political nightmare for her? Zahn at least respected the idea of non-omniscient characters early on - in the thrawn trilogy, it's shown a lot of ordinary citizens don't even know what happened to Vader, a lot of them think he just got fed up and quit the empire to go live a quiet life somewhere. If Hillary Clinton found out she was the daughter of Stalin one day, she probably wouldn't spread that shit to average voters like me.

 

[TheImportantFart]

You gonna write an alien character? Oh, just make him a carbon copy of the one that your briefly saw in one of the films. All rodians are stupid seedy mercenaries, because Greedo. All twi'lek males and females are ugly grungy gangsters or sexy dancers with constantly bare midriffs respectively, because Bib Fortuna and Jabba's slave dancers. All bothans are good at espionage because a team of them style the death star plans (and in respect to the early influence Zahn had, they're all antagonistic politicians too because of the one that he wrote). It's so bad that the one hutt we know, Jabba, is an obese crime lord, therefore all of the hutt's interstellar-level society is based around building criminal empires and getting as fat as you can is the only sign of prosperity they care about. There is a minor hutt character in one book who can't advance in society because he had a genetic disorder that makes it difficult for his body to maintain a lot of mass. I couldn't make up stuff this shallow if I tried.

In one of the last EU books, Darth Plagueis, James Luceno originally decided against making the character Darth Tenebrous a Bith because they generally play in Cantina bands. Then he realised (shock! horror!) that species are made up of individuals and therefore multiple personality types can exist. This was a rare thing to see in the EU though.

Why is it public knowledge throughout the galaxy that Luke Skywalker is Vader's kid? No one has to know that information, why would Luke and the rebel leadership volunteer it publicly? Leia becomes president of the republic, wouldn't that shit be a political nightmare for her? Zahn at least respected the idea of non-omniscient characters early on - in the thrawn trilogy, it's shown a lot of ordinary citizens don't even know what happened to Vader, a lot of them think he just got fed up and quit the empire to go live a quiet life somewhere. If Hillary Clinton found out she was the daughter of Stalin one day, she probably wouldn't spread that shit to average voters like me.

You can blame this one on George Lucas allowing the cultural phenomenon around the characters to spill over into the fictional universe. It's the same reason Darth Vader went from being an overpowered grunt to Space Jesus. When Zahn was writing the Thrawn Trilogy, Star Wars had been out of the spotlight for a while so common sense was allowed to prevail. That all fell apart when Star Wars-mania was resurrected.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

You can blame this one on George Lucas allowing the cultural phenomenon around the characters to spill over into the fictional universe. It's the same reason Darth Vader went from being an overpowered grunt to Space Jesus.

Similarly, if there's a character we the reader knows is bad, expect the designated heroes to instantly be snide and antagonistic to them from the moment they meet even when they have every reason to try being nice first. I can think of a number of plots that wouldn't have fucked up so much of the galaxy if supposedly mature, above-the-pettiness characters like Leia (or especially most of the Jedi) hadn't mouthed off to some politically powerful character, but god forbid we allow the reader to see them have an amicable conversation with Admiral Bonetopick, because the blurb on the back cover already told us he's the designated bad guy of the story.

 

[Dr. Tremolo]

The other gripe I have with the writing's laziness is how your average side character is basically just another guy who has read all of the EU material and knows everything you do. Why is it public knowledge throughout the galaxy that Luke Skywalker is Vader's kid? No one has to know that information, why would Luke and the rebel leadership volunteer it publicly? Leia becomes president of the republic, wouldn't that shit be a political nightmare for her? Zahn at least respected the idea of non-omniscient characters early on - in the thrawn trilogy, it's shown a lot of ordinary citizens don't even know what happened to Vader, a lot of them think he just got fed up and quit the empire to go live a quiet life somewhere. If Hillary Clinton found out she was the daughter of Stalin one day, she probably wouldn't spread that shit to average voters like me.

This particularly baffles me because from what I interpret at least, the Star Wars galaxy is tailored towards oldtimey adventure, so they don't really have an equivalent of the internet despite having advanced spaceships and holograms. This is pretty emphasised in one of the episodes of the new Rebels show where the kid protagonist is successfully able to impersonate Lando Calrissian. A lot of the EU was bullshit like that.
So yeah, besides the best stuff like Zahn's novels or various video games I'm not mourning the EU and I'm glad the new canon is able to distill the old elements into something that makes more sense.

 

[Picklepower]

I find the expanded universe fans kind of miss the original point of Star Wars, which is that it was meant to be a homage to pulpy stuff like Flash Gordon, and not a super serious, detailed scifi political drama. The original movies don't go into crazy detail about, the empire's ideology or how the force works, for example.

 

[Lensherr]

The other gripe I have with the writing's laziness is how your average side character is basically just another guy who has read all of the EU material and knows everything you do. Why is it public knowledge throughout the galaxy that Luke Skywalker is Vader's kid? No one has to know that information, why would Luke and the rebel leadership volunteer it publicly? Leia becomes president of the republic, wouldn't that shit be a political nightmare for her? Zahn at least respected the idea of non-omniscient characters early on - in the thrawn trilogy, it's shown a lot of ordinary citizens don't even know what happened to Vader, a lot of them think he just got fed up and quit the empire to go live a quiet life somewhere. If Hillary Clinton found out she was the daughter of Stalin one day, she probably wouldn't spread that shit to average voters like me.

Funny you should mention that because

Spoiler

in the new canon book Bloodline, which takes place six years before the latest movie, Leia being Darth Vader's daughter, and it has HUGE repercussions on her political career.

Definitely one area where the new canon has improved on the old.

 

[XYZpdq]

Similarly, if there's a character we the reader knows is bad, expect the designated heroes to instantly be snide and antagonistic to them from the moment they meet even when they have every reason to try being nice first. I can think of a number of plots that wouldn't have fucked up so much of the galaxy if supposedly mature, above-the-pettiness characters like Leia (or especially most of the Jedi) hadn't mouthed off to some politically powerful character, but god forbid we allow the reader to see them have an amicable conversation with Admiral Bonetopick, because the blurb on the back cover already told us he's the designated bad guy of the story.

iirc in the old NPR Star Wars radio drama (which is really cool) Leia shooting her damn mouth off is exactly how the Empire finds out that they know about the Death Star.

 

[BurningPewter]

I find the expanded universe fans kind of miss the original point of Star Wars, which is that it was meant to be a homage to pulpy stuff like Flash Gordon, and not a super serious, detailed scifi political drama. The original movies don't go into crazy detail about, the empire's ideology or how the force works, for example.

I kind of liked how the Zahn books seemed aimed at, growing Star Wars up with it's fans - like, a kid who was 10 when Jedi came out would have been 20 when the first Zahn novel came out, so it's like, here's a deeper more adult look at that world you liked as a kid. Problem is if you let that stuff take over there's nothing for the new kid fans to relate to. Now of course we have the other extreme. The balancing act of appealing to both new kid and old adult merchandise buyers.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

The balancing act of appealing to both new kid and old adult merchandise buyers.

This principle is like the natural forest fire that inevitably kills any longstanding franchise.

 

[TheImportantFart]

So I've just watched the first episode of Star Wars Rebels Season 3, "Steps Into Shadow".

Spoiler

Thrawn was barely in it, but from what little I saw, they seem to have his character down pretty well. He does his usual detective work and pulls back his forces when there's no sense exhausting them against a relatively pointless target and you get the impression he's working towards a larger goal. Lars Mikkelsen is an excellent fit for the role, not something I say lightly considering my preferred voice for the character is Marc Thompson's in the audiobooks. So far so good.

 

[Lensherr]

So I've just watched the first episode of Star Wars Rebels Season 3, "Steps Into Shadow".

Spoiler

Thrawn was barely in it, but from what little I saw, they seem to have his character down pretty well. He does his usual detective work and pulls back his forces when there's no sense exhausting them against a relatively pointless target and you get the impression he's working towards a larger goal. Lars Mikkelsen is an excellent fit for the role, not something I say lightly considering my preferred voice for the character is Marc Thompson's in the audiobooks. So far so good.

Funny thing is, Lars Mikkelsen's brother Mads (Hannibal Lecter, Le Chiffre in Casino Royale) has a role in Rogue One, which is also coming out this year.

 

[Lensherr]

 

[BF 388]

Lol what a complete autist.

Completely unable to articulate what or how he has issues about a movie that hasn't even been released yet, and how that same movie, which was written at least 2 years ago somehow is anti-Pmurt.

Rages that having a FEEEEEEMALE lead for said movie is somehow "disgusting, repugnant third wave feminist SJW bullshhhiilcrap" (literally what a pussy, can't even swear cause Ma might hear his basement ranting).

And then he appeals to a giant faggot to 'save' Star Wars from a company that only cares about making money. As though the Lucasfilm mantra was to throw money away and bring peace and love to the world.

Lol.