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bile demon said:
C-section should be avoided unless necessary because a natural birth is healthier for the child.
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This, and because it prevents the mother from properly bonding with her own child. Not every woman succumbs to this, but I've seen it happen often enough to recognize the pattern and it's heart-wrenching.
 
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RX-78 said:
This, and because it prevents the mother from properly bonding with her own child. Not every woman succumbs to this, but I've seen it happen often enough to recognize the pattern and it's heart-wrenching.
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How so? Is it because the recovery gets in the way?
 
Bunny Tracks said:
How so? Is it because the recovery gets in the way?
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Giving birth to her child is the single most natural thing a woman can do, where as being sliced open and having her infant cut out of her may as well be an alien abduction nightmare made real. Everything from hormonal balance to her subconscious state is completely fucked sideways by a c-section preventing the infant from passing through her birth canal, which denies that primordial bonding from properly taking place in almost every instance of the procedure. Ask a woman who has had a c section and, more often than not, they will quietly admit that there is a niggling little feeling in the back of their head that tells them their child never really felt like "their's".

TLDR: it causes the big mommy energy to fizzle out.
 
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RX-78 said:
Giving birth to her child is the single most natural thing a woman can do, where as being sliced open and having her infant cut out of her may as well be an alien abduction nightmare made real. Everything from hormonal balance to her subconscious state is completely fucked sideways by a c-section preventing the infant from passing through her birth canal, which denies that primordial bonding from properly taking place in almost every instance of the procedure. Ask a woman who has had a c section and, more often than not, they will quietly admit that there is a niggling little feeling in the back of their head that tells them their child never really felt like "their's".

TLDR: it causes the big mommy energy to fizzle out.
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I've seen this in friends of mine. Human emotions are complicated and they are fueled by many factors. Pain can lead to joy and so on.
 
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Waifu Days said:
I've seen this in friends of mine. Human emotions are complicated and they are fueled by many factors. Pain can lead to joy and so on.
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Hey without pain, near-death experiences, or the fear of death, you wouldn’t be able to enjoy and appreciate life so much
 
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Got fired at the Pharmarcy because the summer season movement was ending. It was a rather quick job

I still hope to recover from the informational dump. every ad for women hair/menstrual/makeup shit I see at YouTube, I get the flashes about where it is located on the store or the storage. I have no clue about what those were most of the time.

Two days before I was fired this woman comes to me and ask if we have this specific brand of makeup, I was busy setting up the deodorant section and point to the section. She asks me to bring her there, I do, then she tells me the exact brand and I find it and tell her where it is. Then she reveals that she knows and she works there. I was fucking pissed off, why test a temporary worker as he is working on another stuff, a male one that doesnt know shit about makeup. I was pissed off for sure.

Now just for easing my mind... What the fuck is Micellar solution? I had so many bottles of so many brands and every time we got another one within the boxes.
 
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RX-78 said:
Giving birth to her child is the single most natural thing a woman can do, where as being sliced open and having her infant cut out of her may as well be an alien abduction nightmare made real. Everything from hormonal balance to her subconscious state is completely fucked sideways by a c-section preventing the infant from passing through her birth canal, which denies that primordial bonding from properly taking place in almost every instance of the procedure. Ask a woman who has had a c section and, more often than not, they will quietly admit that there is a niggling little feeling in the back of their head that tells them their child never really felt like "their's".

TLDR: it causes the big mommy energy to fizzle out.
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With all due respect, how would the child not really feel like theirs? They still carried it for all that time. Does all that really mean nothing just because it didn't come out naturally, or is it because those hormones that are supposed to come from the baby coming out naturally that help the mother further bond with it, and get over the pain of childbirth just not occur when it's delivered via c-section, and that gets in the way?
 
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Bunny Tracks said:
With all due respect, how would the child not really feel like theirs? They still carried it for all that time. Does all that really mean nothing just because it didn't come out naturally, or is it because those hormones that are supposed to come from the baby coming out naturally that help the mother further bond with it, and get over the pain of childbirth just not occur when it's delivered via c-section, and that gets in the way?
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I’m thinking it’s both hormones and not experiencing the natural, painful birth. Aren’t most patients heavily sedated to where they can’t recognize what’s going on too?
 
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Shidoen said:
I’m thinking it’s both hormones and not experiencing the natural, painful birth. Aren’t most patients heavily sedated to where they can’t recognize what’s going on too?
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I'm pretty sure they are, but even then, I genuinely can't imagine not considering my child really mine just because of that, and because I didn't give birth to it naturally. That just sounds crazy to me.
 
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I'm pretty sure they are, but even then, I genuinely can't imagine not considering my child really mine just because of that, and because I didn't give birth to it naturally. That just sounds crazy to me.
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The human brain and psyche is a strange thing. We don’t fully understand it even when it happens.
 
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With all due respect, how would the child not really feel like theirs? They still carried it for all that time. Does all that really mean nothing just because it didn't come out naturally, or is it because those hormones that are supposed to come from the baby coming out naturally that help the mother further bond with it, and get over the pain of childbirth just not occur when it's delivered via c-section, and that gets in the way?
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"The team found that compared to mothers who delivered by cesarean section, those who delivered vaginally had greater activity in certain brain regions in response to their own baby’s cry as measured by fMRI. These brain areas included cortical regions that regulate emotions and empathy, as well as deeper brain structures that contribute to motivation, and habitual thoughts and behaviors. The responses to their own baby’s cry in some of these regions varied according to mood and anxiety".
 
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"The team found that compared to mothers who delivered by cesarean section, those who delivered vaginally had greater activity in certain brain regions in response to their own baby’s cry as measured by fMRI. These brain areas included cortical regions that regulate emotions and empathy, as well as deeper brain structures that contribute to motivation, and habitual thoughts and behaviors. The responses to their own baby’s cry in some of these regions varied according to mood and anxiety".
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You didn't post the section that would actually answer my question.
Swain said that no parent in the small study developed clinical depression, making it hard to assess the significance of the findings without replication and follow-up studies. “I suspect that the parental brain is ‘primed’ by vaginal delivery and affected by neurohormonal factors such as oxytocin, a hormone linked to emotional connections and feelings of love,” said Swain. “C-sections may alter these neurohormonal factors and increase the risk of problematic bonding and postpartum depression.”
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Even if this is true (and keep in mind this is just one study conducted on a small group of people), it's still a massive leap to suddenly not think your kid is really yours just because you didn't give birth to them naturally. Struggling to bond with them, sure, but not thinking they're yours? Hell no, especially after gestating the thing for nine months.
 
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i'd like to think that the 9 months in the womb would be more important in terms of bonding than how you get the baby out of it. sometimes c-sections are medically necessary, and that's okay. i think most normal women who aren't batshit crazy would still have genuine love for their baby, regardless of how it came out.

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Just for stats, my mom had a c-secton and most of the time she was even overly motherly when I was growing up. She had to get it not because of a whim but because she had issues with her retinas, the eye pressure was bad and if she delivered naturally, she'd likely have gone blind.
I think getting dead set over one way or the other is just gonna cause problems for terrified, impressionable women. This is how the whole birthing community manages to create hellspawn like Robyn in BP. Some women see this sort of shit and take it so hard to heart that they have to do a natural birth or it's wrong and you're doomed to be a terrible mom, or you have to breastfeed, or you're ruining your child for life. Had a friend who would give me this enraged rant because nurses ended up giving her child formula because he wouldn't latch onto the tit. Yes there are ways to fix it, but come the fuck on, they made sure your child wasn't starving until you figure it out. You or your child being alive should come before "doing things right", otherwise there's something seriously wrong here.
If the doctors recommend c-section why the fuck would you endanger yourself because of some study? If you're dead or crippled that special bonding ain't happening either.
 
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