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The whole Hook drama could have easily been avoided if they would have booked it better while still making Hook look strong and not burying Joe's finisher completely (and make him look weak).

You start the match with an overmotivated Hook who gets his offensive. Joe blocks and avoids and counters. At some point Hook get's a bit to overmotivated (he is still young and thus inexpericened while Joe is a veteran) and Joe lands the one brutal strike he needs and which gives him the upper hand. Give Joe a few more brutal strikes, kicks and whatever -not too much of course bc otherwise you bury Hook- before Joe goes to the muscle buster. You want Hook to kick out? Fine, do it at 2.999999. Joe gets pissed off bc "how dare Hook to kick out" and chokes Hook out. Joe wins and then he picks an unconscious Hook and gives him another muscle buster. Cut the shit with Hangman "saving" Hook. Have instead Joe in the ring and disrespecting a still unconscious Hook. Like Hooks lies on the ground and Joe puts one of his feet on Hook like he just shot some deer and flexes his muscles. Let Taz jump up from the commentary table and yell at Joe like a maniac. Then you end the show while Joe triumphs in the ring, You want to sell it more? Show medical stuff going in the ring in the background while you cut out of the show.

Now you take Hook completely off from TV for 2-3 weeks to sell the brutality of Joe's 2nd muscle buster. On next Dynamite you have a short skit where someone talks about Hook being wrecked and that he can't compete. Let Taz sell it further on commentary and do a short interview with Rene and Joe where Joe shits further on Hook and how he wasn't a challenge.
Hook comes back, is pissed about Joe and demands a rematch. Do the rematch, do it longer and more balanced and competitive. You don't want to sacrifice Hook to Joe's finisher? Fine, let Joe cheat and knock Hook out with the belt. Joe is a heel, he is allowed to cheat (don't overbook the cheating!). 3rd match is off the table bc "fuck you Hook, we had two matches and I won both. Go back in line". Done.
You protected Joe as heel champ, Hook got two title shots while still looking lik a credible challenger.

It's really not that hard to book stuff when you have a clear vision of what you want to do, know what you are doing and what you have to do and especially don't just carter to marks. It's weird that a life long fan of wrestling like Tony is doesn't grasp such details. Everything has to be booked the special Tony Khan way instead of booking stuff in established patterns that bear a minimal level of logic within itself.

In the end Joe didn't get really buried bc he is Joe. He is well enough established and the AEW crowd likes him anyways (as do I). But they missed another chance to actually garner new fans, people not part of the AEW cult, by showing that they can actually do good sports entertainment.

It's also kind of weird to see AEW marks getting constantly butthurt when people shit on the product bc of it's flaws while WWE eats shit from people for their creative decisions and booking for years. I don't see Triple H crying on Twitter. And Twitter was long enough around for Vince to get an account himself and make an ass out of himself. Weird how that never happened.

Or how people have trashed TNA/Impact over decades now and I don't see TNA people constantly crying on Twitter. Speaking of TNA: the AEW people should actually take a close look at TNA bc once your reputation is in the gutter it's hard to come back to former hights. If there is one thing you can learn from TNA then how hard it is to build up your reputation again and bringing back fans. AEW already tanked two of their three shows.
 
Cody is thr cover star for wwe 2k24, the pre-order bonus is stardust, undashing, 70s Dusty Rhodes & Superstar Billy Graham.

Deluxe edition Rhea & Bianca are the coverstars

The collectors edition is ai generated bullshit collage.

Matches returning: speical guest refree (including 7 real refs), ambulance, casket match, backstage brawl can now hold 4 wrestlers and revamped.
 
Cody is thr cover star for wwe 2k24, the pre-order bonus is stardust, undashing, 70s Dusty Rhodes & Superstar Billy Graham.

Deluxe edition Rhea & Bianca are the coverstars

The collectors edition is ai generated bullshit collage.

Matches returning: speical guest refree (including 7 real refs), ambulance, casket match, backstage brawl can now hold 4 wrestlers and revamped.
We're never getting as good as Here Comes The Pain are we? Fucking depressing.
 
Cody is thr cover star for wwe 2k24, the pre-order bonus is stardust, undashing, 70s Dusty Rhodes & Superstar Billy Graham.

Deluxe edition Rhea & Bianca are the coverstars

The collectors edition is ai generated bullshit collage.

Matches returning: speical guest refree (including 7 real refs), ambulance, casket match, backstage brawl can now hold 4 wrestlers and revamped.
Has an ambulance match ever actually been in a wrestling game?
 
The uh..whole thing is pretend buddy
Think of it like Star Wars. Everyone knows Star Wars. Star Wars is 100% fake, but Vader still needs to smash a bunch of guys at the beginning of a New Hope to be a good bad guy. If he shows too much weakness early on, he is less intimidating and it affects the story, thus Luke Skywalker isn't a strong hero for outgunning him and blowing up the Death Star because we've seen the Vader is weak. This is basic narrative structure.

Smarks like to think wrestling is different or special, but it's not. Everyone subconsciously craves a narrative arc where the hero is special and is the only one that overcomes a powerful bad guy nobody else can. That bad guy could be a physically powerful heel like the monster heels Hogan fought in the 80s, he could be powerful because he has a gang helping him fuck people up like the Four Horsemen or the nWo, or he could be powerful because of money/political power like Vince McMahon in the 90s. The more powerful your heel looks, the more compelling the narrative, the more over the face gets when he overcomes the odds and beats the heel.

I think it was fine for Hook to wrestle Joe and put up a bit of a fight, but I firmly believe the match showed them being too evenly matched and Hook should have been dead after the first muscle buster. That kickout at one had a negative effect on Joe's credibility. Joe should have went from the muscle buster into the choke, he wins with the three arm drops, but Joe doesn't let go after the bell because he is pissed that Hook had the gall to try and put up a fight. Adam Page comes out for the save and Joe bails. They try to stretcher Hook out after a couple of minutes, but he pushes them away and manages to get out under his own power so he gets over too.

Instead they booked it so it looks like this random dude who looks like a small child had a shot at taking the title off the new heel champion. Imagine if that random guy Vader chokes and kills at the beginning of A New Hope gets in a fist fight with Vader and Vader just barely manages to beat him. Is Vader the same character after that?
 
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