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No, you really aren't. At all. Billy Bob's list is just fun gross superficial stuff, but when it comes to real measures of masculinity you're so far off the mark it's not even funny. I'm not trying to be mean here, but as one small example, you got abused by your mother as a child. Now, being a victim of childhood abuse doesn't make you unmasculine, but the issue is I know about it. We all know about it, because you tell everyone about it. You go around telling people about your childhood traumas, openly, without shame. That's so breathtakingly unmasculine I don't even have the words to describe it.

I'm not trying to be mean here, but what you're claiming about yourself is delusional. Even in a male body, you would not pass as masculine. You would stand out immediately and obviously as incredibly unmasculine to everyone who interacted with you for more than a few seconds.
 
Then what is it?

It is the capacity to protect and to sacrifice. Everything else is superficial bullshit. Boys clothes? Interest in bugs? Trolling randos on the Internet? Soopah Bowl? Liking tits, even? All bullshit.

Without the drive to act and protect, to be a worthy pillar for someone to stand on, you will forever be a child, forever a little cellophane bag carried by whatever wind chooses to pick it up, never with its own agency. Even worse, some branch in the form of a domineering partner or ideology will pick you up and you'll just end up stuck there, with a false sense of satisfaction, but your own potential unfulfilled.

As for femininity, it's not that different. I don't think I can comment as much on it apart from saying that kindness, nurturing and their own forms of sacrifice are among the things that make a woman and I find these things equal in importance to its masculine counterpart. In fact, precisely because I can not be those things is why I find women uniquely precious as a man. In a way, they do complete me.

It is why I find it uniquely disgusting when people mock and deride these concepts. It may be childish, ignorant but understandable to hear it from a teen, but for a woman who is probably significantly older than me it is especially gross, because in all those years you learned nothing. It as an act against life and humanity itself, a pathetic attempt at corrupting others with your own stagnant filth.

I measure myself against the masculine ideal and the women in my life against the feminine. I know I will never truly achieve it and in many ways, I do have a long way to go, but it is a better way to grow than to merely compare myself to a specific person, especially one that happens to grind my gear at that time. It is the quickest way to surround myself with similar minded adult children and ensure that I'll never progress and become more capable.
 
It is the capacity to protect and to sacrifice.
Then no one in the Autism Thunderdome is masculine and neither are most conservative men.

By your definition I'm not feminine either lol
No, you really aren't. At all. Billy Bob's list is just fun gross superficial stuff, but when it comes to real measures of masculinity you're so far off the mark it's not even funny. I'm not trying to be mean here, but as one small example, you got abused by your mother as a child. Now, being a victim of childhood abuse doesn't make you unmasculine, but the issue is I know about it. We all know about it, because you tell everyone about it. You go around telling people about your childhood traumas, openly, without shame. That's so breathtakingly unmasculine I don't even have the words to describe it.

I'm not trying to be mean here, but what you're claiming about yourself is delusional. Even in a male body, you would not pass as masculine. You would stand out immediately and obviously as incredibly unmasculine to everyone who interacted with you for more than a few seconds.
Tell that to everyone that's told me I stand out for being unfeminine.
 
Without the drive to act and protect, to be a worthy pillar for someone to stand on,
You know. I don't think masculinity is the idea of lighting yourself on fire to keep others warm but go off
 
How about you get with someone you aren't attracted to first

The fact that my interests, personality, and way I dress is stereotypically masculine? I mean shit, I'm masculine enough my family started calling me a dyke when I was like 12 (long before I figured out I like girls, honestly that shit made me repressed).

The farms was never intended as a /pol/ reject circlejerk. Sometimes people say things you don't like and don't agree with here. Die mad about it.

Pretty sure masculinity isn't being a dick that thinks women and minorities shouldn't have rights or whatever the fuck you think it is.

That's just being a dick (and a faggot)

What about running around innawoods looking for bugs and snakes? Cosplay and fujoshit are probably my girliest hobbies.

I was masculine enough for my family to start calling me a dyke in middle school and to get made fun of by other girls and women, that's good enough for me.

Also "not appropriate for a girl your age!" according to my mom the second I turned like 11.

In that case no one on this site is masculine, especially not anyone in the Autism Thunderdome

Then no one in the Autism Thunderdome is masculine and neither are most conservative men.

By your definition I'm not feminine either lol

See, you are again proving my point. To you, masculinity and femininity are merely things you do, and because they are just that, it is something you can use as a measuring stick to compare yourself against. You feel immense hatred towards those you see as inferior (Autistic Thunderdome users, men or whoever you happen to disagree with) but you also experience huge resentment towards who you deem your superior (the Church, right wing parties, conservatism, etc.). The world of a child is stale and stagnant as they are merely a subject of the environment. Which is why having an ideal that is in line with your nature is the key to escaping the death loop mentioned.

But yes, by my definition you are a woman-child.
 
You know. I don't think masculinity is the idea of lighting yourself on fire to keep others warm but go off
Not quite this either. The key is that you are the one who chooses what to fight for and elevating that above mere self-preservation. It doesn't make us living match sticks, it is precisely what makes us better than animals because a human is uniquely capable of that.
 
Not quite this either. The key is that you are the one who chooses what to fight for and elevating that above mere self-preservation. It doesn't make us living match sticks, it is precisely what makes us better than animals because a human is uniquely capable of that.
Meanwhile tradmoids are who people need protecting from given how many beat their wives and kids. They sure AF aren't sacrificing either when you have people like MAP Walsh openly bragging about refusing to change diapers.
 
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Not quite this either. The key is that you are the one who chooses what to fight for and elevating that above mere self-preservation. It doesn't make us living match sticks, it is precisely what makes us better than animals because a human is uniquely capable of that.
Fair enough, though on current year Internet you see people using the words masculinity and femininity as container words to sell their ideology and/or gumroad books without any hint of self awareness.
 
Fair enough, though on current year Internet you see people using the words masculinity and femininity as container words to sell their ideology and/or gumroad books without any hint of self awareness.
I've also noticed the dudes who brag about what masculine providers and protectors they are tend to be the exact same dudes who ignore their kids except to smack them around and openly think spousal rape is no biggie. Not to mention have hysterical bitch fits because a movie or game or w/e had a female protagonist or gay character.

Its like how the mommy bloggers who swear up and down they're great parents are usually anything but.
 
Meanwhile tradmoids are who people need protecting from given how many beat their wives and kids. They sure AF aren't sacrificing either when you have people like MAP Walsh openly bragging about refusing to change diapers.
Meanwhile tradmoids, meanwhile Matt Walsh, meanwhile autistic thunderdome... You may hate them, but a lot of your identity merely rests on being superior to them in particular. If they disappeared overnight, you'd utterly collapse. Your idea of self is static and contrarian. The lack of a direction has turned you into a perpetual pre-teen.
Fair enough, though on current year Internet you see people using the words masculinity and femininity as container words to sell their ideology and/or gumroad books without any hint of self awareness.
They do. And for those looking for a cheap solution to their crises it looks like the easier way out.
 
what is with you types and assuming lesbians are confused straight women? no amount of dicks gonna fix her, dude. quit the bull. If a person says their gay, they're gay.
They are a lot of times.
I used to take lesbianism at face value, until there were enough cases where you check back on an unconvincing, publicly out-and-proud lesbian years down the line and she's married and talking about having kids. Then you learn to trust your instincts.

But to be fair, if you find me a guy whose sexuality is tied up in politics and he constantly insists he's gay, but he's never had a boyfriend and spends his free time engrossed in lesbian cartoon porn, I promise to call them pretend gay too.

Speaking of which, do you know what's also ground zero for trooning though? Fujoshi culture.

Idk why people who are into that seem to think it's any less perverse than if a man had an appreciable amount of his identity tied up in how much he got off to lesbians. Fujoshi translates to "rotten girl" for a reason.

Tell that to everyone that's told me I stand out for being unfeminine.
Ma'am, you straight up try to baby-fy insects.
I understand we live in current day, but not fitting into rigid, mostly unrealistic traditional gender stereotypes doesn't mean someone needs special labels.

For someone who's so against traditionalism, you seem very proccupied with their labels and stereotypes.
 
Meanwhile tradmoids, meanwhile Matt Walsh, meanwhile autistic thunderdome... You may hate them, but a lot of your identity merely rests on being superior to them in particular. If they disappeared overnight, you'd utterly collapse. Your idea of self is static and contrarian. The lack of a direction has turned you into a perpetual pre-teen.
I'd actually be pretty happy if a bunch of sex pests disappeared overnight. Especially for their kids.

I come here to shitpost and blow off steam. You know dick all about who I am IRL and what I do when I'm not shitposting on the autistic fruit forum.
 
Speaking of which, do you know what's also ground zero for trooning though? Fujoshi culture.
That's the fuse and the bomb is a lack of a positive identity.

I come here to shitpost and blow off steam. You know dick all about who I am IRL and what I do when I'm not shitposting on the autistic fruit forum.
You are saying this because clearly, we struck a sensitive nerve. I suggest you keep going though, might learn something.
 
You are saying this because clearly, we struck a sensitive nerve. I suggest you keep going though, might learn something.
People tend to be sensitive about pedophiles and abusers having kids and not being in jail, yes.
 
And every post you've made is about your concept of me.
Again, you are missing the point. I am discussing masculinity and femininity and since your counterpoint is, well, yourself, it is fair game to critique you as well. It seems that you are not too good at discerning abstractions and ideas from specific people or groups and that gets you stuck in the realm of the anecdotal.
 
I come here to shitpost and blow off steam. You know dick all about who I am IRL and what I do when I'm not shitposting on the autistic fruit forum.
Android, we know exactly what you do because you tell us, constantly, about literally every facet of your life. Ranging from where you get your food, to the exact conventions you go to, to the pets you have, to your welfare and employment status, to your upbringing, to the kind of anime you watch, with photos included.

Just like everything else you write, the truth could not be any more opposite and I don't know why you insist on pretending otherwise.

I'd actually be pretty happy if a bunch of sex pests disappeared overnight. Especially for their kids.
Is that true though? How would you convince yourself you're interesting if that happened?
 
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