Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Napoleon III said:
I remember Russia trying out the BMP-Terminator early in the war but I don't remember hearing much about it anymore.
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Those vehicles only exist in small numbers. Around 20 total and only a handful deployed in Ukraine. The Russians brought them out on a few occasions, but the vehicles ended up attracting all kinds of attention. The Ukrainians went all out after them when they appeared. They would try to dogpile them with all the drones available or call in heavy fire on them. The name and the press associated with the vehicles made them a really attractive propaganda target.

My take is that it was good at what it was designed for. Fighting in urban environments against a lightly armed opponent. And it might be good for urban combat in Ukraine if there were large numbers of them. But with small numbers and the attention they attract, it isn't a good place even for testing them.
 
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No one in the other thread seems to think that Nuland making an emergency visit to Kiev to meet with "leaders" has any significance.
Nuland does not do social visits. She comes when it is time for regime change,

EDIT: I am dooming too much.
I bet she is just there to give every one a medal, shake hands, and have a jolly good time.

EDIT 2: Just kidding. If Nuland makes an unannounced emergency visit to your country. Very seldom will there be happy ending.

EDIT 3: I guess that the silence means that everyone knows shit is going down right now. And people want to wait and see who remains and who got canned before making any comments. It would be very embarrassing to shill for someone that later today Nuland would unperson. Better wait to see who is safe to shill for.
 
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Cuckoman said:
No one in the other thread seems to think that Nuland making an emergency visit to Kiev to meet with "leaders" has any significance.
Nuland does not do social visits. She comes when it is time for regime change,
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Let's put things in perspective, shall we?

On January 29, all media and telegram channel simultaneously lit up with breaking news: General Zaluzhny will be replaced as the head of the Ukrainian High Command. All cite "inside sources".

Two hours later, Zelensky's press secretary made an official statement: President Zelensky is not replacing General Zaluzhny. According to the "abovementioned inside sources":

- Zelensky met with Zaluzhny;
- At the meeting, Zaluzhny was offered to resign voluntarily, but was not offered any meaningful position in return;
- Zaluzhny refused to write a letter of resignation.
- Budanov refused an appointment to Zaluzhny's current position.
- Sirsky refused an appointment to Zaluzhny's current position.

This should not come as a surprise. Zaluzhny is highly respected by both the military and the populace because of his previous successes that pushed Russians to their current defense line and forced them to abandon Kherson. His replacement will have no such background but get the blame for all potential defeats that may occur in 2024. Zaluzhny has very good ties with NATO, and his dismissal was clearly not approved. The replacement of the commander-in-chief may affect the West's attitude towards Zelensky and the amount of aid, but now Zelensky cannot turn back now that this story has been spun publicly, going from "anonymous TG channels" to the front pages of the world's largest publications like The Guardian and WaPo.

And now Victoria Nuland, the kingmaker behind the coup in 2014 that toppled the pro-Russian government in Ukraine and installed the belligerent pro-American one, is paying Kiev another visit. Big thunk.
 
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Can't help but think there has to be an element of a banderite not taking lip from a jew mixed in there.
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Wouldn't be the first time either.
can't find this one with subs
 
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Napoleon III said:
This could be true however I don't think so because the census data Ukraine has is old and kind of bad.
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This is also bad because I am mega retard and forgot to factor in non-war related deaths. However I can't find any data on that, so that's fucked. I still maintain that the logical conclusion is that approximately 500 000 Ukrainians died since the start of the war.
 
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The CIA in the form of the Washington Post finally confirmed yesterday that Zaluzhny has been effectively fired. That they wanted days longer than most other sources is very telling.

Why did he need to be fired:

- His misplaced concern over casualties in the 2023 Ukrainian offensive caused him to disregard the military plan presented to him by the United States military. The implicit argument is that if he had followed the plan and tactics he had been given, they would have won.

- He kept asking for more soldiers through an expansion of conscription and removal of the most obvious ways that conscription was being avoided in Ukraine. Zelensky repeated explained to him that this was impossible for budget reasons but he refused to listen and to just win with the army he had.

- Calling the war a stalemate was bad because it was bad for raising money for the war. He should have been talking about all the fighting as a success and not referred to a stalemate.

- He is very popular with the (implied) dumb peasant soldiers on the front lines but not the way more important people in Kiev. His popularity with the peasants made him a political threat to Zelensky if there were ever elections.

Who would replace him?

- If Budanov replaces him, the war would shift to what the Washington post called "asymmetrical tactics". The ground war would be de-prioritized in favor of a "deep war" inside Russia.

- The other candidate (Syrsky) is unacceptable. The Washington Post called him a "soviet era" military thinker who is hated by everyone in the military. Bakhmut and the decisions around fighting in Bakhmut are now all his fault. Somehow Syrsky personally forced the entire military and government to fight on in Bakhmut when they should have withdrawn.

What happened this week?

- Zelensky brought him into his office. Instructed him that he had to resign praising the government as he left. If he was a good boy in doing that, he would be given a very comfortable job elsewhere in the government. But he refused to resign. He would only leave if he was fired. Zelensky was unable to do that for domestic political reasons. So now he is going to be left by name in the job for perhaps several months while the government gives orders around him to the military.

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This exactly tracks with what the views of the US intelligence community would be expected to be. They want a guy in that job who doesn't think for himself, does what he is told without questioning it, is willing to spend a much larger percentage of the military budget on unconventional warfare and is socially less of a stupid Ukrainian peasant.
 
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Cuckoman said:
No one in the other thread seems to think that Nuland making an emergency visit to Kiev to meet with "leaders" has any significance.
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It does I just have nothing to say on it because it is so obvious that something is happening and I don't know what.
Fighting Type Pokemon said:
And now Victoria Nuland, the kingmaker behind the coup in 2014 that toppled the pro-Russian government in Ukraine and installed the belligerent pro-American one, is paying Kiev another visit. Big thunk.
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I don't know what the end result of all of this will be and i'm waiting to see what happens as a result. Everything is murky in this situation right now. It might be a while before there are clear definitive answers.
Strix454 said:
His misplaced concern over casualties in the 2023 Ukrainian offensive caused him to disregard the military plan presented to him by the United States military. The implicit argument is that if he had followed the plan and tactics he had been given, they would have won.
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That would explain why the US wants to get rid of him specifically. Though I think it is a massive mistake for them.

Male Idiot said:
Orbán's weakness is his greed, that is whx we are still in the hostile EU.
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Orban cannot leave the EU because Hungarians love the kickbacks from aid money. Though at some point the ability to have Russian gas and connections to Russia will become worth more than the aid money. He probably also got something good for agreeing to the Ukraine plan. Hungary is on the edge of two powerful regions. She needs to play both sides in order to survive.
 
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Strix454 said:
- If Budanov replaces him, the war would shift to what the Washington post called "asymmetrical tactics". The ground war would be de-prioritized in favor of a "deep war" inside Russia.
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I'm not sure what this means, is it like more attacks on civilians using drones and other means? Wouldn't that open up a response from Russia that's even further into Hohol territory?
 
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Cuckoman said:
100% we are not talking about guided missiles but rather Hamas style missiles : the pipe rocket will fly in that general direction and land somewhere, probably in a civilian area and blow some civilians up.
These missiles have 0% military value and are just a pure terror weapon.
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Yeah, but then they can blame it on the Russians AND they get the added benefit of claiming Russia is using/resorting to homemade rockets...
Win win for the holhol propaganda machine, but not so much on the battlefield where it counts.
 
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Strix454 said:
If Budanov replaces him, the war would shift to what the Washington post called "asymmetrical tactics".
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You gotta love the delusions of these ghouls about inflicting another Vietnam or Afghanistan on the Russians.
As if Hoholistan is comparable to a bunch of deeply religious goatherders who love fighting and pop out 6 kids on the reg or a bunch of pissed off gooks hiding in the jungle for whom gommunism equals sovereignty.
 
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Kiwi Sneed Snake said:
Yeah, but then they can blame it on the Russians AND they get the added benefit of claiming Russia is using/resorting to homemade rockets...
Win win for the holhol propaganda machine, but not so much on the battlefield where it counts.
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>Russians
>use rockets made in Russia
HELP, THIS IS BEYOND MY COMPREHENSION SKILLS
 
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Betonhaus said:
I'm not sure what this means, is it like more attacks on civilians using drones and other means? Wouldn't that open up a response from Russia that's even further into Hohol territory?
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That's the plan basically. The idea is to leverage the death of civilians as an incentive to end the war. It is kind of like the idea of allied strategic bombing in WW2 breaking the morale of the enemy. (sidenote: in the modern day when people say strategic bombing they mean nuclear weapons). The Chechens tried a similar strategy and ended up losing.

This usually has the opposite effect. It tends to increase support for the war. My sense is that a lot of people in Russia don't think about the war that much and have vaguely positive views on it. Killing a lot of Russian Civilians would make all those people that don't care suddenly care a lot.

Ashkenazi Porn Actress said:
You gotta love the delusions of these ghouls with inflicting another Vietnam or Afghanistan on the Russians.
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The problem with Guerilla warfare in Russian controlled regions is Ukrainians have massive incentives to not do it. Things run better in Russia than they did in Ukraine. There is more opportunity, infrastructure works better and you know you won't be killed randomly. Places that have had Guerilla warfare tend to have it happen when the local administration just completely breaks down.

A lot of this war has been motivated by a seething desire to kill a lot Russians without asking whether that is valuable, useful or even possible.
 
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Ashkenazi Porn Actress said:
You gotta love the delusions of these ghouls with inflicting another Vietnam or Afghanistan on the Russians.
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It's amazing to watch the collapse of American soft-power collapse in real time. Rather than fearing the name, they're basically saying "We'll just let you be on the other side of another Chechnya!"

With the whole "we're not going to hold onto Crimea" revelation, I think Ukraine may have told America to get fucked. Hence, tugging on Zelensky's lead and trying to replace the top general.

I'm trying to pinpoint the exact moment that America ceased to be a world power.

I think it's this:

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But it may have been when the Taliban were riding around on their helicopters.
 
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