Police shootings in Murrkuh and BLM protests: The thread. - It was a good thread, it dindu nuffin

Since it seems like this shit has been happening at least several times a week now for the past month, and separate threads have pretty much dominated this board for the majority of it, I feel it's time for a centralized thread on this sort of thing (apologies if someone already did this. If so, feel free to merge this thread with that one).

Up next on the plate, Chiraq has the potential to be dealing with more riots and unrest as footage from the police shooting of Paul O'Neal was released earlier today. Obviously, BLM has been all over this like flies on a dead carcass since the policeman apparently violated police protocol during the arrest. The only problems were that Paul O'Neal was being investigated for allegedly stealing a car (he was an 18-year-old in a Jaguar. Unless his parents were loaded, he doesn't have the equity or cash to buy one of those), he immediately sped away from police, crashed the car, and then fled the scene on foot before police shot at him.

Do I believe that police needed to shoot at him? Probably not. Did they have probable cause to suspect that he was committing a crime? Unfortunately, yes. This, to me, is just another case of BLM siding with a thug committing a crime instead of the hundreds people in Chiraq who are adversely affected by gang violence in the city.

On the other side of the pond, BLM protests in the UK blocked roadways and shut down airports and tram systems in Heathrow, Birmingham and Nottingham in protest of the five-year anniversary of the death of Mark Duggan, a man who was lawfully killed by police for planning a violent retalitory crime, was carrying a weapon and was an alleged drug dealer. What a saint, amirite?

This is the kind of shit I cannot stand, regardless of motive or cause. How many lives are you potentially risking with this kind of shit. What about emergency personnel? Good luck getting these people to move, especially if you're a firefighter or paramedic.

So yes, this isn't going to be over any time soon. Current year, indeed.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

In my experience I found Southerners are, as a whole, less racist than Yankees. Yeah you get more instances of direct racism but it's isolated in hate groups and individuals.

Go to Massachusetts or New York, and you find the entire culture oozes with soft racism. For all their talk about diversity, Northern liberals get awfully squirrelly when a black man shows up.

I went to school up north and that's what I found, I encountered way more soft racism there than hard racism in the south

 

[Cosmos]

Also, isn't there a huge moral issue when you connect "resisting arrest" with a lethal shooting? Like, you say "... because you're probably gonna get shot." Isn't that horribly fucked up to treat that as such an ordinary thing? If you don't follow the cop's directions to the fucking T, you might get shot and it's (more likely than not) going to be judged justified?

I never said it was justified. It's just that, in this current climate, cops are so on-edge that they're likely to shoot first and ask questions later. That's obviously a problem that needs to be addressed, but if I'm ever staring down the barrel of a gun, I'm just going to follow directions. And I mean, you shouldn't be resisting arrest anyway, even if there's no danger of being shot.

 

[Randall Fragg]

https://lolcow.tv/r/Fergizone
Race War Cam is live people

 

[Marvin]

That makes a certain amount of good sense. But imo having a comfort and a familiarity with one another made it much easier for Southerners to adapt to our modern sensibilities of civil rights than many other Americans, who seem to still struggle with it, hence the attitude of the white ultra sensitive, sjw type who never even went to school or lived near a black person yet wants to tell other people how they should talk and feel about racial issues.

Oh definitely.

The SJW types who really push this sort of thing seem to think there are no downsides to integration, and that's completely silly.

Spoiler: tl; dr poor lives matter

I see this problem as being mostly economic, and only slightly racist. Poor people commit a lot of the violent crime out there. Black people are poorer on average than white people. Thus black people, per capita, commit more violent crime than white people.

How do we handle this? Give black people a break? Do nothing, stick with the status quo? Somewhere in the middle?

SJWs say that we should give black people a break. They say that it's not their fault, racism/society/privilege did it, etc. Giving out "get out of jail free" cards will fix racism and there are no downsides. But there are downsides: your average white person will have to deal with more crime and/or your average black person will get away with more crime. There's no two ways around it. That's what's going to happen.

Few SJWs really acknowledge or address this point. Or if they do, it's really cartoonish and divorced from reality. They've never experienced it themselves. You'll need to sell that plan to millions of Americans. It's cool if you still maintain that position. But you do have to acknowledge that it's a heavy burden.

I take the position that I want your average person of all races to get away with more crime in general, if only because non-violent drug offenses shouldn't be crimes in the first place.

I've personally been victimized by people in the city multiple times, and I really don't care about the criminals sob stories about how bad they had it growing up. I totally want them to get shafted. I'll testify in court.

But at the same time, the cops are incompetent, and I don't want to call in to complain about the cops and hear "hurr durr the internal investigation is ongoing".

The people who get shafted by BLM nonsense the worst are poor white people. They get dicked over by police brutality as much as black people, but they don't have legions of dumb college kids to champion them.

tl; dr: poor lives matter. Also fuck tha police

It's just that, in this current climate, cops are so on-edge that they're likely to shoot first and ask questions later.

I really don't think they are on edge that much. To put it another way: if a cop admitted to me that he's reading the newspaper about BLM shit, and it's got him shaking in his boots to the point where it's going to affect his performance on the job, then he's a shitty cop. I don't know how else to put it.

I mean, no offense. Sure, cops should probably be paid more. Sure, they should get trained better. But really, you have to deal with crackheads and tackle drunk people and do all sorts of rough stuff. That's part of your job. Buck up.

And I mean, you shouldn't be resisting arrest anyway, even if there's no danger of being shot.

Of course, but we need to be flexible. Like with my airport example.

One time I thought the immigration agents had given me the OK to leave the airport, when they didn't actually mean to. I started walking away and they started shouting and had to chase me down. What if some old guy's hearing aid battery went out and he didn't follow TSA directions correctly.

Those types of things are the level of disobedience that can get you shot in other situations in the country. And that's a pretty fucked standard, I think.

(Heh, one time I had pepper spray in my pocket and brought it through three airports (JFK, Istanbul and Tashkent), without any security people noticing.)

 

[KatsuKitty]

The people who get shafted by BLM nonsense the worst are poor white people. They get dicked over by police brutality as much as black people, but they don't have legions of dumb college kids to champion them.

This, this is the narrative you're not hearing from the lamestream-mainstream media. People taking up the BLM mantle have introduced a rather grave moral hazard in not only making an already small molehill into a racial mountain, but also lumping in criminals like Michael Brown with victims like Philando Castile or Walter Scott.

 

[XYZpdq]

tl; dr: poor lives matter. Also fuck tha police

It seems a lot of people mistake poor Southern culture as a black-exclusive club.

 

[Functional Animal]

One of the feeds in NoThiefsAllowed has a countdown timer for when the curfew kicks in, with rampant speculation shit will get crazy then. Like the fucking timer for the end of sports game.

 

[HG 400]

The people who get shafted by BLM nonsense the worst are poor white people.

No, poor white people mostly get robbed and raped by other poor white people and the cops aren't afraid to arrest or shoot poor white people for robbing and raping.

The people who get shafted the most by BLM are the ghetto niggers cops are now too afraid to protect properly.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

No, poor white people mostly get robbed and raped by other poor white people and the cops aren't afraid to arrest or shoot poor white people for robbing and raping.

The people who get shafted the most by BLM are the ghetto niggers cops are now too afraid to protect properly.

Dyn's got the right idea, if not quite communicated in good taste.

The people suffering the most from BLM are the victims and families of victims of the epidemic of black-on-black violence in this country. Idiot college students are too interested in making people think the SS are running the nation's law enforcement they've basically eclipsed the very real problems facing the black community.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

They can barely manage their own lawns I'm not sure why anyone would think they run the nations law enforcement tbh

 

[Chan the Wizard]

No, poor white people mostly get robbed and raped by other poor white people and the cops aren't afraid to arrest or shoot poor white people for robbing and raping.

The people who get shafted the most by BLM are the ghetto niggers cops are now too afraid to protect properly.

To be fair, there are several ghettos the cops won't respond to and haven't for decades. It's not like they're suddenly afraid to go there, they always have been.

I'm not sure why the disband all police people don't move into those areas, but I can make a guess.

 

[Splendid]

calls Obama's wife a gorilla,

Don't you dare compare Michelle to Harambe. Michelle fucked with school lunches. Harambe died for your memes. He deserves much better.

 

[Caesare]

Spoiler: tl; dr poor lives matter

I see this problem as being mostly economic, and only slightly racist. Poor people commit a lot of the violent crime out there. Black people are poorer on average than white people. Thus black people, per capita, commit more violent crime than white people.

How do we handle this? Give black people a break? Do nothing, stick with the status quo? Somewhere in the middle?

SJWs say that we should give black people a break. They say that it's not their fault, racism/society/privilege did it, etc. Giving out "get out of jail free" cards will fix racism and there are no downsides. But there are downsides: your average white person will have to deal with more crime and/or your average black person will get away with more crime. There's no two ways around it. That's what's going to happen.

Few SJWs really acknowledge or address this point. Or if they do, it's really cartoonish and divorced from reality. They've never experienced it themselves. You'll need to sell that plan to millions of Americans. It's cool if you still maintain that position. But you do have to acknowledge that it's a heavy burden.

I take the position that I want your average person of all races to get away with more crime in general, if only because non-violent drug offenses shouldn't be crimes in the first place.

I've personally been victimized by people in the city multiple times, and I really don't care about the criminals sob stories about how bad they had it growing up. I totally want them to get shafted. I'll testify in court.

But at the same time, the cops are incompetent, and I don't want to call in to complain about the cops and hear "hurr durr the internal investigation is ongoing".

The people who get shafted by BLM nonsense the worst are poor white people. They get dicked over by police brutality as much as black people, but they don't have legions of dumb college kids to champion them.

Well said!

I agree that softer, non-violent crimes, especially drug crimes, shouldn't be handled so harshly, with judges handing out ridiculously long prison sentences to people with multiple drug arrests. They do handle this much better than they did, let's say, 30-50 years ago, but there is still a whole lot of room for improvement.

For instance, most of the time a first offender caught with schedule 1 or schedule 2 drugs won't be given any prison time. They will spend a little time in jail until their court date or if they have the money to post bail, but it won't be too long, though any time feels like "too long" when you're in there. Even in cases where a first offender if caught selling schedule 1 or 2 drugs, the vast majority of judges won't send them to prison unless it's an extremely large quantity that they are dealing with or if there are some extraneous issues involving the case.

First offenders get probation, and in the instance that drugs were involved, they will have to attend some kind of addiction treatment. My problem with this is, and anyone who has ever had any kind of problems with drugs can attest to, is that many drugs are VERY addictive. So addictive that a lot of the time, probation with the threat of being sent to jail for 90 days for violating it and a drug counselling isn't enough for a lot of people. Drug abusers are nearly always repeat offenders.

This is why we have an overcrowding problem in our jails. They are full of people who have been steadily racking up drug convictions since they were 17/18 and now they are in their 30s or 40s and the judge ends up giving them 10 years hard labor in prison. These people might have never harmed anyone in their entire lives physically but still end up with a long stretch in prison with the murderers, rapists, armed robbers, people who beat the shit out of their wives, etc.

I understand that there needs to be repercussions for breaking our laws, and I don't have the answers, but what I do know is the jails are full, they are constantly building more of them, and people are constantly abusing drugs and getting sent to prison. It's obviously not enough of a deterrent to keep a lot of people from abusing drugs, they need to study this more and try alternatives other than sending nonviolent, repeat drug offenders to prison on long sentences.

And to tie it back in to what we were talking about: this isn't a black problem, or a white or Mexican problem. It's a very human problem and it needs to be dealt with some kind of way, because it costs a whole lot of money to incarcerate this many people. If there is some kind of way we can curb this and keep the people who aren't a threat to society as a whole out of prison, we need to do it imo.

 

[ZeCommissar]

I always interpreted that as something of a caste structure. That is, I never saw southern racism as hating black people, as long as they knew their place in society. It's like being friendly to the servants.

I have to disagree, southern racism may not universally be about hating black people, but the majority of it is. If it was just "putting you in your place" they would just throw your ass in jail forever, yet they lynched, bombed buildings, and gave the death penalty to people without much evidence to warrant it.

However I think southern racism was and still is because of ignorance and fear, which turns into hate. Of course all true racism is about feeling superior, which is why they opposed minorities being on equal terms with whites.

A few things that people don't seem to realize is that criticism of a race or culture isn't always racism, and that racism is not always pure hate.

Saying "the black community has a thug problem that needs to be fixed" isn't racist, saying "the black community has a thug problem because black people are just like that naturally" is racist.

On the other hand going "i'm not racist since I have black friends" doesn't mean anything, because you can still think those "friends" are inferior in some way, or that they will act in a certain way because of their race.

 

[ZeCommissar]

I'm surprised to see this happening as far South as North Carolina. The cops do not play down South, and the fact that civilians own multiple weapons and concealed and open carry laws exist in many places. In Texas for instance, there are more legal guns registered to people than there are people in the entire state lol. They might do a little "march" or something, but they aren't ever going to block traffic or riot and loot neighborhoods in the Deep South. Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas, Alabama, Florida, Tennessee, and Georgia are safe from these blm assholes. They'll call in the National Guard before they let them do any damage.





LOL, sounds like Sim City 2000. Remember the message you would get if a fire/riot broke out and you had no public services? "Since your city has no police or fire protection, the National Guard has been called in."

You are kinda right, yet I live in only a hour and a half away from Charlotte, and I can attest that the area in it and around it is more liberal due to it being a city. You may be right about the other southern states though.

 

[Caesare]

I have to disagree, southern racism may not universally be about hating black people, but the majority of it is. If it was just "putting you in your place" they would just throw your ass in jail forever, yet they lynched, bombed buildings, and gave the death penalty to people without much evidence to warrant it.

Yes, this happened, but it was quite awhile ago now and it was different for each and every city and state where it occurred. Also (and don't think I'm trying to chastise you here, I'm just stating a fact) you or I aren't in any position to say what the majority of anyone's "feelings" were, whether we are talking about now or feelings from people living 80 years ago, when this stuff was happening.

However I think southern racism was and still is because of ignorance and fear, which turns into hate. Of course all true racism is about feeling superior, which is why they opposed minorities being on equal terms with whites.

Where would the ignorance come into play? Whites and blacks have been living in close proximity and interacting with one another for longer than the United States was actually a country. You are correct about the fear part though. During the days of slavery blacks outnumbered whites in the South. There was definitely a real fear of them organizing and revolting, hence things like the "fugitive slave law" and other such measures put into place to keep black folks from educating themselves, organizing into groups, or doing basically anything that would give them some kind of edge or power to do harm to their masters.

In the Jim Crow era and during the days of desegregation, again there was the fear of black folks being on an even playing field with whites, which they definitely did not want since culturally, they have always been second class citizens even after achieving their freedom.

A few things that people don't seem to realize is that criticism of a race or culture isn't always racism, and that racism is not always pure hate.

Saying "the black community has a thug problem that needs to be fixed" isn't racist, saying "the black community has a thug problem because black people are just like that naturally" is racist.

I agree wholeheartedly with you here and I believe that is a big problem we have with the more sensitive people amongst us. As soon as you start addressing anything that has to do with race, they automatically get nervous, their anxiety flares up, and they will quickly change the subject or in more extreme cases, point the finger and call YOU a "racist" for having the gall to have a conversation about something racial.

On the other hand going "i'm not racist since I have black friends" doesn't mean anything, because you can still think those "friends" are inferior in some way, or that they will act in a certain way because of their race.

Eh, yes and no. On the one hand, if you maintain a true friendship with someone and that person is of another race/ethnicity than you, I don't think you can believe you are "superior" otherwise its not really a friendship, is it?

That would be more along the lines of a person thinking they are magnanimous and altruistic for having the courage to take this poor black/Mexican/whatever person "under their wing" and "helping them out." To me, that isn't a friendship, that is an insecure person who for whatever reason wants to feel good about themselves for taking care of someone they view as inferior and less fortunate, and not for genuine reasons of wanting to help someone who needs it, but for superficially wanting that "ethnic friend" that they keep around so other people can see what a "open-minded, progressive" person they are.

Another thing about that, I believe you can think someone will act or think a certain way because of their race and not be a prejudiced person or a bigot about it. For instance, if I'm friends with a black dude and something like "The OJ Simpson trial" comes up, I can probably guess he's going to feel a little different about that than me. I don't think that makes me a "bigot" or a bad person.

 

[WlordLimes_butt_plug]

Tell me again why I shouldn't be rooting for cops and BLM to kill each other?

Some people just want to see the world burn.

 

[The Nothingness]

Just another white man oppressing black people.

 

[Hummingbird]

Some people just want to see the world burn.

I call those people, Cultural Barbarians.

 

[Randall Fragg]

We have a list of demands from the dindus.

1. THE IMMEDIATE END TO THE STATE OF EMERGENCY, CURFEW & THE REMOVAL OF THE NATIONAL GUARD

2. THE IMMEDIATE DEMILITARIZATION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE IMMEDIATE RETURN OF ALL MILITARY EQUIPMENT

3. THE DEFUNDING OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT (2017 Budget: $246,644,617) AND THE REDIRECTION OF THOSE RESOURCES TO THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITIES (INCLUDING RESOURCES FOR JOBS PROGRAMS, AFFORDABLE QUALITY HOUSING, TRANSPORTATION, HOLISTIC HEALTH AND QUALITY SCHOOLS)

4. AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION INTO THE KILLING OF KEITH L. SCOTT AND AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE CHARLOTTE MECKLENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND A FREEZE ON THE NEARLY 1.5 MILLION DOLLARS AWARDED IN FEDERAL GRANTS ANNUALLY TO THE DEPARTMENT

5. A RELEASE OF THE POLICE REPORT AND BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE CONNECTED WITH THE KILLING OF KEITH L. SCOTT & ALL OTHER KILLINGS TO THE PUBLIC AND IMMEDIATELY REPEAL OF HB 972, WHICH RESTRICTS THE ABILITY OF THE PUBLIC TO ACCESS POLICE BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE

6. THE IMMEDIATE AND UNCONDITIONAL RELEASE OF ALL THOSE ARRESTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE UPRISING RESULTING FROM THE KILLING OF KEITH L. SCOTT & THE DROPPING OF ALL CHARGES

7. THE RELEASE OF ALL THE NAMES OF THE OFFICERS INVOLVED IN THE KILLING OF KEITH L. SCOTT TO THE PUBLIC FOLLOWED BY THEIR FIRING, ARREST AND PROSECUTION

8. REPARATIONS FOR THE FAMILY OF KEITH L. SCOTT AND ALL VICTIMS OF POLICE VIOLENCE AS WELL AS THE FAMILIES OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED

9. COMMUNITY CONTROL OF THE POLICE, STARTING WITH THE CREATION OF A CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT BOARD THAT HAS THE POWER TO HIRE AND FIRE OFFICERS, DETERMINE DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS AS WELL AS DICTATE POLICE POLICIES, PRIORITIES, AND BUDGETS. THE BOARD SHALL NOT INCLUDE POLICE REPRESENTATION AND WILL BE CONTROLLED BY COMMUNITIES MOST IMPACTED BY POLICING AND INCARCERATION IN CHARLOTTE.

10. AN END TO THE REPRESSION & TARGETING OF PROTESTORS AND ALL THOSE ENGAGED IN THE CHARLOTTE UPRISING

Fucking lol.