Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

I don't think I have ever heard of a successful instance of conventional bombing actually destroying the industry of a nation. It didn't work in WW2 it didn't work in Korea or Vietnam.

It worked once they changed tactics in late 1943. They destroyed StuG III production, caused a massive shortfall in steel production, seriously curtailed Tiger production, and in 1945, virtually destroyed Germany's ability to move coal around the country.
 
Russia not found guilty of genocide by the ICJ.

WTF I LUV THE HAGUE NOW.

And Israel getting BTFO was good enough.


I assume that stupid stolen chuldren accusation is still up though.

Edit. I am honestly surprised the trial wasn't rigged towards the "right side" in the first place. Expecting fair judgement from Euro-based organisation is like expecting an aligator no to bite your hand off.
 
It worked once they changed tactics in late 1943. They destroyed StuG III production, caused a massive shortfall in steel production, seriously curtailed Tiger production, and in 1945, virtually destroyed Germany's ability to move coal around the country.
Taking a look at Stugs they didn't stop production just made it so the Cupola had to be welded on, until they repaired the ball bearing factory in August 1944.

I don't know a lot about the other specific cases you mentioned but all of the cases I know they did some damage but it was repaired and production continued. Which is usually how these things seem to go. You can pause production for a month or two but that doesn't change the strategic picture of the war.

The other thing that I notice a lot with claims of successful allied bombing was it happened very late into the war. At the point in which Germany was already defeated and critically short on manpower already.
It certainly worked in Korea, N. Korea was basically obliterated. Vietnam has very little industry to destroy.
In both these cases they sustained massive damage but were able to move war critical factories underground.
I don't think strategic bombing of industry is ever really very effective especially not when you consider the cost to do it.
Nearly everything that is built is done so relatively quickly. This is especially true in countries that don't have a massive bureaucratic mess to make anything. It has been something like 60 years since Vietnam and 80 years since WW2 so things could have changed.
My original point was what could Ukraine do to meaningfully damage the Russian Economy? And I don't mean cause a bunch of monetary damage as compared to the cost of this war anyway that doesn't mean much. Targeting rail lines doesn't do much as those can be repaired. Targeting oil facilities can sometimes work but it doesn't destroy the Russian economy. It is definitely annoying when something like this happens but it does not change the strategic picture.

I think strategic bombing of Industry is a cope that militaries do when they are unable to accomplish their goals in the field. This would not be untrue of Ukraine.
 
I remember there was a question of why tanks don't use EW to guard against drones. I said it was due to the fact drones move fast enough for it to not matter.
It absolutely works but the jammer needs to actually be targeting whatever frequency the drone is using, which is kindof fiddly to automate and as far as I know nobody has actually made a particularly good all-around drone jammer yet. If working properly though the control dropout would be instantaneous once the jammer goes after the drone's frequency.
 
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Russian soldier eliminates a Ukranazi drone with a stick.

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Ukrainians brag about footage of the destruction of a car with humanitarian workers by a drone — video from December.

The militants posted a video of the arrival of a Ukrainian drone on a Russian civilian truck delivering humanitarian aid to the residents of Yasinovataya. During this barbaric attack, Sergei Pavlov, a humanitarian worker and the head of Verkhnetoretsk, who were delivering aid to civilians, were injured.

These shots were posted by Security Service of Ukraine agent Sternenko, who is enjoying a salary at Zelensky's office. And he did it for a reason. He and his accomplices knew perfectly well who was in the truck. They are proud to say that they kill Russian humanitarian workers and even post video evidence of their crimes online.

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So, they've finally realized they aren't getting any land back, let alone Crimea, and think a guerrilla style campaign will benefit them...how, exactly?
Mass casualty terrorism. Regaining land doesn't matter, winning doesn't matter, it's all about killing as many Russians as they can and striking fear into Russian hearts because they have been disrespected and dismissed as useless but they are a SUPERPOWER and it is their Yahweh-given RIGHT to CRUSH the Ruskies and TAKE all their stuff, GODAMMIT.
 
Mass casualty terrorism. Regaining land doesn't matter, winning doesn't matter, it's all about killing as many Russians as they can and striking fear into Russian hearts because they have been disrespected and dismissed as useless but they are a SUPERPOWER and it is their Yahweh-given RIGHT to CRUSH the Ruskies and TAKE all their stuff, GODAMMIT.
That's the kosher US neocons talking, the hohols are just along for the ride-and for the money the US is throwing at them.
 
So, they've finally realized they aren't getting any land back, let alone Crimea, and think a guerrilla style campaign will benefit them...how, exactly?
By letting them go down swinging. If you're Azov, Right Sektor, etc and the Ukrainian cause collapses, you're fucked. If the Rissians get their hands on you, you're dead or spending the rest of your life getting sodomized by Valya in a Siberian labor camp. So you can run, hide, or make them hurt as much as possible for as long as you can.
 
That being said it is a well designed aircraft for its role. The A-10 is old but the US can't make good aircraft anymore. And if you are a country that plans to use air-power a dedicated close air support airframe is a good idea.
lololololol

The A-10 was a great idea in 1977. By the late 1980s the amount of guided AAA and SAMs made A-10s super risky. Using one over Donbass would be a suicide mission.
 
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Orban cannot leave the EU because Hungarians love the kickbacks from aid money
He has to play both sides, but Nato is enough for that. We are getting into paying more than we take, and soon it may be profitable to leave. That and if we don't get russian oil/gas means we won't get any oil/gas unless Saudi arabia does a 50% based discount. Rainbows for that.
Joseph Goebbels murdered his own six children* before he and his wife bought the express ticket to He
That's the right call. You don't want to be captured by the Red Army. Those kids are dead already.

We don't want to get into KGBoomer territory. The Red army's graces were no better than the Gestapo or CIA or Islamic State or the IDF.

If the hohols recalled that, they would bless Putler for being restrained.

Also, damn stupid mutts. Zaluzny wanted to A: Don't waste his troops and B: recruit more.

Yes, that's what you do in a defensive war against a bigger foe. Amerimutts really want to the last hohol.
 
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There have been interesting developments in Avdeevka. If you notice where the Russian flag is there has been an unusual level of advance in that spot. Also something to note is how weirdly the shape is with all kinds of indentations of odd shapes and sizes around Avdeevka.

What seems to be happening is Ukraine has these hole that keep popping up and they are running out of things to plug those holes with. Can't say for certain but it looks like Avdeevka might fall soon. Of course someone high up could make a decision to move resources there to slow things down, although that assumes Ukraine has resources to move there.

Also interesting to note is that if you are a defender you don't want those indentations, you want a nice smooth line that exposes you to as little enemy fire as possible and a smaller perimeter so you can have less men on the line.
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By letting them go down swinging. If you're Azov, Right Sektor, etc and the Ukrainian cause collapses, you're fucked. If the Rissians get their hands on you, you're dead or spending the rest of your life getting sodomized by Valya in a Siberian labor camp. So you can run, hide, or make them hurt as much as possible for as long as you can.
I have expressed this theory before but if I were a western intelligence agency I would grab those people as enforcers. Don't know if it will happen and I REALLY hope it doesn't. Using them as terrorism does seem like something they would do as well. So who knows.
Its incredible that an international court is in any way siding with the russians in this day and age. Implies either the accusations were truly totally meritless, or perhaps they are simply trying to make room for a later peace (and hence tacitly admitting defeat to an extent).
It is actually kind of incredible. I think the ICJ wants to try and maintain an air of impartiality. It has been criticized by many of the global south for being hatchet-man for the west. A lot of the global south likes Russia. Making the obvious decision that this is not genocide buys some credibility.
 
That's the right call.
No, that's retarded. Killing your children - or any children - is never the right call. They didn't even try to sneak them out of Berlin or at least get them out of the Fuhrerbunker and hide them among the civilian population.

Nazis didn't do these things primarily out of fear of the Red Army, they did them because they were Godless Emo faggots throwing a tantrum at losing. (Hitler's Nero Decree, aka "Fuck You, Cruel World :evil:"). General Paulus didn't kill himself, because he was not a loser.

In the end, national socialism has always been a death cult for disturbed people with a weak grip on reality. It certainly is in Ukraine, where bizarre, shaven headed men appear on TV to tell Hohols to forego sex in favor of becoming fresh corpses on the Eastern Front.

I like people who choose life. Choose a job. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television. Choose shitposting on Kiwi Farms. Choose mass debates on the feasibility of Putin conquering Europe by train.
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No, that's retarded. Killing your children - or any children - is never the right call. They didn't even try to sneak them out of Berlin or at least get them out of the Fuhrerbunker and hide them among the civilian population.

Nazis didn't do these things primarily out of fear of the Red Army, they did them because they were Godless Emo faggots throwing a tantrum at losing. (Hitler's Nero Decree, aka "Fuck You, Cruel World :evil:"). General Paulus didn't kill himself, because he was not a loser.

In the end, national socialism has always been a death cult for disturbed people with a weak grip on reality. It certainly is in Ukraine, where bizarre, shaven headed men appear on TV to tell Hohols to forego sex in favor of becoming fresh corpses on the Eastern Front.

I like people who choose life. Choose a job. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television. Choose shitposting on Kiwi Farms. Choose mass debates on the feasibility of Putin conquering Europe by train.
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This is the most reddit shit tier retardation. Give me train autism over this. That guy makes smarter posts than you, learn from him.

Yes, sneak them out of Berlin, there is a teleporter to Japan... I mean Agartha... I mean the Nazi moonbase right outside!

Than they just get new bodies from the Führer clone tank and won't be hounded by all the bad guys who won and later Mossad.

The same bad guys who throw Goebbels sho cleaner in jail when she is 200 years old will surely be fine folks who will go all good, forgiveness blessing for all.

Putin should surely trust that court too and show up with no bodyguards. They'll be fair, he will say sorry, pay Zelenskiyji three fiddy and thsn they'll all go to rock and roll concert.
 
War Cats for 2 February 2024:
LNR War Kittens
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Под Бахмутом, на выезде уже, подобрали двух котят у дороги. Тоже наши стояли с коробкой, просили забрать хоть одного. Забрали двух. Дали имена зеля и Байден, вроде. В общем, потом у коллеги жена приехала специально в Луганск и забрала их до Москвы. Где-то там сейчас.

В буханке с нами колесили по всему фронту.

Near Bakhmut, at the exit, we picked up two kittens by the road. Ours were also standing with a box, asking to take at least one of them. They took two. They named them Zelya and Biden, I think. Anyway, then a colleague's wife came to Luhansk and took them to Moscow. Somewhere there now.

They traveled with us in a Bukhanka all over the front.

I hope they give them better names, that's so unfair to these kittehs.
 
Does Kitty Biden love to sniff hair?

President reincarnated into a cat to sniff girls hair, coming to Funimation near you.

Also, hohols will be easily given refuge, they got back country in Poland, Baltics, Finland, and maybe the USA, so don't expect them to do a Hoholbunkiyr.
I have been told that they will indeed find them better names. I suggested Givi and Motorola.
 
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