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Pamela Paul posted a short response to the troons' hysterics yesterday, which included links to both Tony's and Vanessa / Evan Urquhart's blog posts. Conversations and insights about the moment. - The New York Times (archive; archive via Tor)
Full text below, but here's the sentence where she links to Tony:
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I find this especially funny because, in every incarnation, Tony has always claimed to have The Answer.
Here's the full thing. It's short and good, I recommend reading it.
Tony wrote a Twitter thread in response:




His main point here is that Paul "claims it takes "courage to admit you don't know" detransition rates are (single digits), but in her original article... she falsely says 80%, citing decades old out of date data." He then includes a screenshot of one paragraph of Paul's article where she cites this figure. However, Tony neglects to include the following paragraph where Paul cites the figures that Tony prefers:

Again, Tony's just trying to whip up outrage to pressure New York Times editors to stay away from this topic.
Full text below, but here's the sentence where she links to Tony:
Which, if you're going to sum up this matter in one sentence, is pretty good.Pamela Paul said:While a number of outspoken transgender activists — several of whom wrote about their reactions to the reporting in my column — say the rates are low, studies often cited to make this claim are demonstrably unreliable.
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Pamela Paul said:Admitting you don’t have an answer is hard, but it’s especially important for journalists to do so.

Here's the full thing. It's short and good, I recommend reading it.
Pamela Paul said:The Courage to Admit You Don’t Know
Pamela Paul, 2024-02-05 19:30:01 +00:00
My column on Friday about detransitioners, people who no longer believe they are transgender, was a way to explore some of the problems in how we treat gender-dysphoric youth. One common response from those who favor the current treatment model, which proponents call gender-affirming care, is that very few people detransition.
Are they right?
It would be great to have a definitive answer either way. But the truth is we don’t know. While a number of outspoken transgender activists — several of whom wrote about their reactions to the reporting in my column — say the rates are low, studies often cited to make this claim are demonstrably unreliable.
As I wrote in my column, "Nobody knows how many young people desist after social, medical or surgical transitions." Admitting you don’t have an answer is hard, but it’s especially important for journalists to do so.
Here is some context for readers to weigh assertions to the contrary.
First, consider human nature: People change their minds all the time. Second, admitting to a mistake is hard for anyone — and for many detransitioners, it can feel like a very public reversal. Third, it can take a long time for transition regret to manifest, and for patients to make the decision to detransition.
It is especially hard for kids who are making decisions about their identities when those identities are still evolving. Many construct their lives around this new identity. To admit they have changed their minds, especially during the excruciatingly self-conscious period of adolescence, when they are deeply susceptible to peer judgment, is that much harder. The effects of medical transition — facial hair growth, breast growth or removal, vocal changes — are often irreversible. For some, it can feel like there’s no going back.
We do have some reliable data that indicate detransition rates are higher than transgender advocacy groups suggest. (The Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine, one of the most reliable nonpartisan organizations dedicated to the field, has a full explainer of the methodological problems with the studies that insist otherwise.)
We also know that more detransitioners are going public with their decisions. They deserve our compassion. There will likely be a rocky road ahead for them and everyone involved in their care. Some are currently engaged in high-profile malpractice lawsuits against those who medicalized them as minors.
As awareness grows, my hope is that more, and better, independent research on this complex issue will move forward.
Tony wrote a Twitter thread in response:




Tony said:Erin Reed • @ErinInTheMorn • 2024-02-05 23:45:06 UTC
Pamela Paul just responded to my criticism of her NYT trans article directly, with no facts.
She claims it takes "courage to admit you don't know" detransition rates are (single digits), but in her original article... she falsely says 80%, citing decades old out of date data.
Erin Reed • @ErinInTheMorn • 2024-02-05 23:45:06 UTC
I'm glad she felt pressured to respond. That means my article is working - I know that it is currently being passed around academic listservs and she's getting heat for the extreme falsehoods and factually incorrect claims.
Read my debunking here:
erininthemorning.com Debunked: Misleading NYT Anti-Trans Article By Pamela Paul Relies On Pseudoscience
Erin Reed • @ErinInTheMorn • 2024-02-05 23:45:55 UTC
And please, subscribe to support my work. I may write yet another response to Pamela Paul given that she is using the platform of the New York Times to directly respond to me.
Maybe I'll just write to the times itself, actually.
Erin Reed • @ErinInTheMorn • 2024-02-05 23:46:18 UTC
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His main point here is that Paul "claims it takes "courage to admit you don't know" detransition rates are (single digits), but in her original article... she falsely says 80%, citing decades old out of date data." He then includes a screenshot of one paragraph of Paul's article where she cites this figure. However, Tony neglects to include the following paragraph where Paul cites the figures that Tony prefers:

Pamela Paul said:Studies show that around eight in 10 cases of childhood gender dysphoria resolve themselves by puberty and 30 percent of people on hormone therapy discontinue its use within four years, though the effects, including infertility, are often irreversible.
Proponents of early social transition and medical interventions for gender dysphoric youth cite a 2022 study showing that 98 percent of children who took both puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones continued treatment for short periods, and another study that tracked 317 children who socially transitioned between the ages of 3 and 12, which found that 94 percent of them still identified as transgender five years later. But such early interventions may cement children’s self-conceptions without giving them time to think or sexually mature.
Again, Tony's just trying to whip up outrage to pressure New York Times editors to stay away from this topic.