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[quaawaa]

It wouldn't surprise me to see some clever landlord or developer convinces the retards that pesky window regulations are making homes too expensive.

That already happened with Munger Hall:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munger_Hall

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/billio...ss-dorm-rooms-for-california-students.105029/

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/archit...dormitory-at-university-of-california.105392/

Example of an urbanist defending ultra-dense buildings:

Just watched a video by Adam Something about Munger Hall:

Now, I won't defend Munger Hall but I will criticize his position that the Hungarian Panelhaz offer a better alternative.

The main issue Adam has with Munger is that the units don't have windows, which I agree is a fair criticism.

The other criticism is that the units are small and that subconsciously forces them so socialize in the buildings communal areas / 3rd space.

Here I have the first criticism. Many urbanists respond to the loss of living space with going out to 3rd spaces. So, what is it Adam? Are 3rd spaces the answer or not?

These fucks are obsessed with central planning so let's get an answer.

My next criticism is how he fetishizes and is incompetent when he compares the Hungarian Panelhaz to Munger Hall.

At 9:41, Adams infographic shows the statistics of a Panelhaz, 315 meter long or 1033 feet with 10 stories of residential space.

Now assuming a rectangular room and a width of 7 feet (minimum width by law), that's 147 units per side of a residential floor or 295 units per floor. Multiply that by 10 residental floors and you get 2,950 dorm rooms.

What does this fucking commie get in his next infographic?

6,692 dorm rooms.

Fucks sake...

Thats a dorm room that's three feet wide, Adam!


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Derrick Zoolander noticing the problem before Adam the Commie.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

That already happened with Munger Hall:

You vil live in ze pod. Bugs likely cost another 200 bucks/month. And there are people wanting this. I want off this ride...

 

[Baraka Obama]

This floorplan looks like an office with a bunch of cubicals, which would actually have more natural light. So I decided to find some humorous photos of an office cubical converted to have beds:




it's a prison: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...security-prison-inmates-live-dormitories.html

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

That already happened with Munger Hall:

Slaps building "Think of how many Pajeets you can fit in this 200 square foot windowless apartment" (that reeks of curry)

 

[Wikipedia]

I'm not anti-car, but more passenger trains in the US would be nice. Biking is good exercise but when you live in bumfuck nowhere middle or southern US it become impractical.

 

[AdmiralRenae]

You vil live in ze pod. Bugs likely cost another 200 bucks/month. And there are people wanting this. I want off this ride...

I would rather live in Alaska then to suffer this fate. Living in a city is bad enough for me. I have visited Rural towns and It fits me nicely.

 

[DavidS877]

I would rather live in Alaska then to suffer this fate. Living in a city is bad enough for me. I have visited Rural towns and It fits me nicely.

I've heard cabins in Montana can be nice. Apparently they're not very calming though.

 

[A skinny fat man]

They talk HSR and other trains should only be going to major metropolitan area point to point, never about the smaller towns left out in the cold, while simultaneously condemning the fact that trains don't go to every wayward village anymore.

That's the real advantages highways have. Don't want to stop in a podunk town? You don't have to, but anyone from that town can access the same highway you do. (Freeways in small towns have kind of developed into a split personality for the small towns, there's the side with the fairly modern gas stations, fast foods, etc. while the other side is the actual downtown and surrounding stores).

The reason for any sort of transport is to allow the maximum number of people and goods to get from point A to point B in as economical a manner as possible. In a city, that takes the form of train and bus lines. In the country, it takes the form of cars and highways. The problem starts coming in when you try to shove the square peg in the round hole and force country people off of cars and highways and on to highly uneconomical trains. Because here's the thing, passenger trains and presumably the rest of public transit in the US have basically never made money. If they made money GM wouldn't have been able to "lobby the politicians to kill the metro line/street car/whatever" because the companies that do that would have had money because their public transit made money.

 

[LaxerBRO]

Just another post in the series of the fuckcars/ NJB don't know what the fuck they are talking about.

One of the main rebuttals to large suburban streets is from the fire department needing to get their fire fighting equipment to that location. From the anti-car / urbanist site, StreetsBlog:

But for generations, the giant red engine has been the virtual default in U.S. communities — and its size has been used to justify keeping countless roads ultra-wide and ultra-dangerous, just to accommodate our preferred public safety vehicle.

As a response to US firefighting equipment, they bring up firefighting equipment in Japan.

But there’s no doubt that American fire departments could effectively stop many blazes with small-format vehicles like these — and they could certainly do the rest of their jobs without a giant hook-and-ladder, or the overbuilt road network that cities keep building to accommodate such massive EMS vehicles.

But wait, Streetsblog seem to be suggesting that all the tasks of the fire department can be down without the need to a ladder truck. However, when I looked into the Osaka Fire Department we see them using the equipment the author claimed is unnecessary. Next, we should recognize that fire fighting in a small mountainous town in Japan where the small fire truck is from is not the same as fire fighting in the suburbs. Regarding this, lets talk about construction materials. A criticism of US suburban housing is that its wood framed housing even with the five over one apartment buildings, which makes them flammable. As such, comparing fire risk in an area with more fire resistant construction materials vs more flammable ones is fallacious. But this does not stop Streetblogs:

that other countries around the world rely on with no documented downside impact on fire risk — fire code doesn’t have to be the enemy of safer, narrower road designs.

 

[Overpriced Gaming Chair]

I'm not anti-car, but more passenger trains in the US would be nice. Biking is good exercise but when you live in bumfuck nowhere middle or southern US it become impractical.

"People living in bumfuck nowhere should just eat cake relocate to Amsterdam." -NotJustBikes, presumably.

 

[WelperHelper99]

No, there is not. And since these people don't tend to own guns or are physically fit, it makes it easier to round them up and bulldoze them into massgraves. I can see myself doing that to spice up my retirement money in a couple of years.

But seriously, that's even why they want your hunting rifles, so they can force you into the communal commieblocks with no means to stop them.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Just another post in the series of the fuckcars/ NJB don't know what the fuck they are talking about.

As it turns out, the sort of invasive "traffic calming" measures these people favour, to force drivers out of their cars, are causing delays for emergency services. Their tiny little kei fire truck would have the same problems as any other emergency vehicle, when faced with a residential street that is blocked off for no reason other than to force people to walk.

 

[LeChampion1992]

@LaxerBRO wait til R-fuck cars finds out that eastern commie bloc nations still use old Soviet trucks as fire engines. Those things are more massive than a lot of US fire engines. Also American fire gear is made to be larger and deal with things like industrial and warehouse fires.

I'm not anti-car, but more passenger trains in the US would be nice. Biking is good exercise but when you live in bumfuck nowhere middle or southern US it become impractical.

Look I want a world with walkable cities and plenty of road and country roads so you can go mudding on the weekend and forget you're just an accountant.
We can have great mass transit, walkable cities and decent traffic patterns. It's not impossible and feasible.

No, there is not. And since these people don't tend to own guns or are physically fit, it makes it easier to round them up and bulldoze them into massgraves. I can see myself doing that to spice up my retirement money in a couple of years.

I always believe in being an urban threat because I am not living in the pod bughive I would rather be homeless or bum out in a tenement than be in a bughive.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Look I want a world with walkable cities and plenty of road and country roads so you can go mudding on the weekend and forget you're just an accountant.
We can have great mass transit, walkable cities and decent traffic patterns. It's not impossible and feasible.

It is, but remember who you're dealing with here. Nitpicking about the tiniest of things like "traffic can turn right on red" and "muh STROOOOOOOODS" and "What, me, a cyclist, stopping at lights? Why I never!..." means that no one will be satisfied.

As far as "stopping at lights" go I always think back to that journalist in...New Jersey I think...getting struck by the train while cycling. There wasn't any mention of malfunctioning signals and all I can think of is "based train killing journos" or "cyclist runs a red light for the last time and finally gets what he deserves".

 

[quaawaa]

I saw this hilarious article:

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[biglurker]

hat already happened with Munger Hall:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munger_Hall https://kiwifarms.us/threads/billio...ss-dorm-rooms-for-california-students.105029/https://kiwifarms.us/threads/archit...dormitory-at-university-of-california.105392/

There is no way that this got approved by any building council or fire department without serious bribes. This doesn't even have the light and vent required by IBC for a sleeping space.

 

[Skeletonized Cow]

There is no way that this got approved by any building council or fire department without serious bribes. This doesn't even have the light and vent required by IBC for a sleeping space.

IIRC it wasn't approved and the project has since been abandoned.

 

[i440BX]

You vil live in ze pod. Bugs likely cost another 200 bucks/month. And there are people wanting this. I want off this ride...

The history repeats itself. In USSR and Eastern Bloc they used to make to very tall and soulless buildings.
I don't understand why they promote more dense spaces if the population stabilizes or decreases.

Even Japanese are not as anti car as those activists.
I say this both as a car and bicycle user. They are not satisfied by having option to use public transport/metro/bicycles or coexist in peace.
They want to boycott cars for no-ones benefit. I believe they hate me more than truck drivers because I "enable" freedom of both sides.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

If they made money GM wouldn't have been able to "lobby the politicians to kill the metro line/street car/whatever"

Except that never happened. The "conspiracy" was just collusion with auto manufacturers that when the local transit companies inevitably switched to buses, they'd buy buses from Mack Trucks, tires from Firestone, and so on.

The whole argument presented by Bradford Snell in the 1970s was largely fictitious, even Wikipedia agrees but to urbanists, this is core dogma.

 

[CEO of Gay]

EU rules are asking to kill your little Volkswagen or Volvo carrying a boat, even at recommended speeds. I'm not even talking engine power, I'm talking frame strength. A truck is built tougher with better suspension. The ride towing that boat is going to be horrible.

I'm going to half-disagree with you. Sperging in spoiler

Spoiler: Car-Towing Sperging

The cars are built to be able take their rated loads. Both the frame rails and towing bars have enough metal where they connect that I am willing to trust claimed weight ratings. The brakes and radiator are typically appropriately sized. Even if the North American version of the car is not appropriately equipped, one can usually import the appropriate parts (brakes, radiators, tow bar, brake controller, etc) from Europe, and it will all bolt right up without issue.

I've seen light towing with a small European car done properly. And doing it properly means either accepting lower weight limits than the European ones, or slowing the fuck down. Or both.

You are, however, completely correct about ride quality. There's no escaping physics. When towing, the trailer will push and pull on the tow vehicle. A car is built to haul people first and cargo second, and will typically have a light, soft suspension that's nice and comfortable when lightly loaded, but gets uncomfortable when near its limit. A truck is built to haul cargo first and people second, and will typically have a much beefier suspension that isn't as comfortable as a car, but doesn't go to shit when made to do heavy work.

Americans usually move more, and have recreational vehicles, hense trailers. A van can definitely carry a lot, but if I'm looking to tow a boat to the lake with a good safety margin, I want a truck.

Exactly. Use the proper tool for the job. Using a light trailer behind a car to help a friend move a mattress and bed frame across town is fine. That's within the safe limits of a car's capability. If you're hauling a boat out to a mountain lake for the weekend, use a truck like a civilized human.

A wild dumb European who believes that his underpowered crossover can tow as much as a pickup truck appears:

You're forgetting that in Europe they are comfortable with higher tow ratings and use trailer brakes more often (which are hard to find here, because #freedom)

You can tell this idiot has only ever attempted to tow light loads, has towed illegally, or is making shit up. If you look up state laws regarding trailer brakes (archive), you'd see that most states require brakes when the trailer is rated to carry 3,000 lbs or more, and some have that threshold even lower. A Google search for "trailer brakes" finds plenty of websites happy to sell all the parts you'd need to install brakes on a light trailer. Lying faggot is lying, film at 11.

These assholes are the first to crucify anyone for going 3km/h over the speed limit because apparently that's "endangering" others? But exceeding your cars tow rating, which has an impact on its substructures and brakes? That's cool. Bet he'll find something else to blame when he inevitably roasts his brakes going down a small slope cause his Renault isn't meant to brake that much. I mean yes, of course, larger trailers have brakes too, but those are meant to be pulled with a vehicle made for such loads.

This hypocrisy makes me MATI. Going an an extra 3km/h over the speed limit is hardly going to endanger other drivers. But exceeding the European weight rating, the one with less safety margin than the US one, by almost 70%, absolutely does.

Someone should tell r/fuckcars about King of the Hammers.

I did not know this was a thing. That sounds amazing and now I want to go.