Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

On the US side, we have people chimping out about "Ukraine's sovereign territory." Our people have the mindset that whatever skullduggery you might otherwise engage in (coups, revolutions, whatever), the UN-drawn map is the one rule that can't be violated. It's not at all unique to Putin to not see things that way. In the Old World, time horizons are much longer, with grudges, alliances, and identities that have spanned centuries and countless map reorgs.
Regarding post WW2 borders and the UN, in case people missed it, Putin straight up said that the US "let that genie out of the bottle" with regard to Yugoslavia. Anyone bringing up muh post war sovereign borders can go pound sand.

One more of those rules based order things that don't apply to the US I guess.
 
Nothing extraordinary, still don't understand why globohomo is so seething over the interview
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I think Syrsky is going to have a tight leash

Ukraine’s new army chief says his immediate goals are better troop rotation and high-tech weapons -AP NEWS

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukraine’s new military chief said Friday his immediate goals are to improve the rotation of troops out of the front lines and harness the power of new technology in the fight against Russia’s invasion.
Col. Gen. Oleksandr Syrskyi, who previously was the commander of Ukraine’s ground forces, spoke a day after President Volodymyr Zelenskyy put him in charge of the battlefield campaign against Russia’s invasion.
“New tasks are on the agenda,” Syrskyi said on his Telegram channel.
Though he provided little detail, his remarks appeared to align with Zelenskyy’s stated aim of bringing “renewal” to the armed forces in Thursday’s shake-up and adopting a fresh approach to the fight.
 
Gas prices, other cost of living increases, and general economic malaise weren't fucking me and millions of others in the ass under Trump.
Good point. I’ll be Team Blue then. It’s nothing personal, it’s just that your country is trying to destroy mine.
Holodomor
Ignorant westoids need to just shut up about this, it’s a complex issue they’re not equipped to understand. Stalin didn’t cause it, not even in a “failed agricultural reform” manner, it was a natural disaster that affected all Eurasia. In fact Stalin sent enormous amounts of aid to the worst afflicted republics, Ukraine top of that list. Oinkers will cry about muh kulaks, ignoring the fact that these worms were not only hiding grain from the state (which was confiscating it in order to redistribute it to alleviate starvation), but selling it at utterly extortionate rates to their very neighbours. There was no genocide of them either (they’re not a group capable of being genocided), but semantics aside they deserved every last bit of what they got, and every reasonable human capable of comprehending the situation would feel the same. You’d have to be a psychopath to think hoarding grain during a famine is not a thoroughly evil act.
 
How does he do that, did they give him control of an RND budget or something?

In all seriousness this means drones. Ukraine actually has a really damn good drone program. I'd say it is the best thing they have going for them. They are cheap and easy to make and quite effective if used correctly. Russia is better in this regard but Ukraine is quite good at the drone stuff.
 
golodomor wasn't exclusively Ukrainian plight. Though, it was Stalin's agricultural administration fuck up, that hunger was from Ukraine to Kazakhstan. Entire Povolzhie was affected. What you describing is something called in certain parts of RuNet as hoholdomor. Slav version of 6 gorrilions.


Stalin's push for squeezing as much grain for export(As this was needed to build up Soviet industry), partially made this matter.

And in this case he did it on false data.

And then the first reaction to the famine from local authorities was to hide it from central ones and still try to fill a grain collection quotas by literally robbing the countryside further didn't help matters.

By the time the central government knew what was going on shit hit the fan big time. Further matters didn't help by Soviet leadership feared that if extent of the famine would be known in the West it would be seen as weakness and direct aggression by the west would follow.

Nor had the Soviet leadership any fucking idea what to do. They used reserve grain funds to a small degree improve the situation. But ultimately that was drop in a bucket. There were few other relieve aid. But that one was the main one.

The other part of the 1932-33 famine you can blame on the natural drought that hit Ukraine, southern Russia and northern Kazakhstan.


And then of course there were the kulaks. Despite popular believe, Kulaks weren't peasant farmers. Kulaks were "rich" landowners. And this shitbags were responsible for quite a lot of famines in the Russians empire.

Don't think of them as later era British land owners who becoming wealthy through adoption of new technology and being more productive. Kulaks kept the Russian peasants/farmers in a vile conditions, obsolete and very inefficient institution.

When Stalin started doing forced collectivization. Kulaks not wanting to loose their power and out of spite prohibited peasants farmers from working the fields and even killed their own animals for hem not to go to into collectivization. Among other things.

Which did not help matters again.


The peasant/farmer culture by the way itself generally was not hostile to Stalin collectivization. Which itself came about because you couldn't really give peasant farmers plots of land and expect them to modernize and manage themselves. Because well most couldn't read or write neverminded do math. And the agricultural level in Soviet Union was at medieval stage curtesy of Kulaks. and the authorities of the Russian Empire.



BTW, under the New Economic Policy the Soviet leadership and Kulaks were supposed to reach out broker a deal and understanding, Didn't happen

After failure of NEP. Collectivization followed. Collectivization might have looked good on paper compared to the previous setup.

However due to insufficient resources (Both funds and skill). Generally collectivization didn't produce much better results for Soviet agriculture then under Kulaks. (It took after the war for that. Which into the 60's they should have decollectivized. ) Soviet central government assumed that it did and local authorities reported as such.


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By the way the fact that there are historians that think that Hoholdomor was done on purpose especially to kill the kulaks are frankly fucking stupid.

Why the fuck would you starve millions of people of whom a very tiny minority are kulaks. If Stalin wanted to crush kulaks he could do it in more direct and efficient manner by shooting them in the head , shipping them of to Siberia. Which in fact what was done

Why starve your support base ? Heck, kulaks among all peasants were in the best position to actually survive the starvation.
 
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Boy does this shot make whatever Putin has done to his face very obvious.

It's hard to decide whether I'd rather see Trump return, or Biden continue. Both have been absolutely hilarious presidents.
Why not both like Afghanistan?

Yes, this dumb nigger got a hold of classified docs while a member of a non-NATO military.
While I hope the FBI HQ gets hit with a Kinzhal everyday, this seems like a good espionage case to pursue....
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Why is this all in English and how does that prove it's Russian, also, Fabrika?!?
 
"move to russia" is trending on Twitter.

Do you remember when Trump became president in 2016, when the US-Canada immigration website was literally crashed from all the traffic from leftists?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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Many normal people emigrate and are considering Russia, but they’re faced with huge bureaucratic problems with Russia’s migration law,” he said.
He said the Moscow region administration has greenlit the construction of the expat village and that it will be financed by the relocating families.
The lawyer further claimed without offering evidence that “tens of thousands” of foreigners without Russian roots would like to move to Russia for similar ideological reasons.
Well that certainly looks interesting. Seems it's mostly limited to families that can pay their way. Would be another funding and information source for Russia, while keeping memetic hazards contained in it's own area with people only moving to the rest of Russia once fully integrated into Russian culture. I don't see it being a bad idea as only highly skilled people could afford the move, and if they are making the move the are committing to adopting Russia's culture.
 
And then of course there were the kulaks. Despite popular believe, Kulaks weren't peasant farmers. Kulaks were "rich" landowners. And this shitbags were responsible for quite a lot of famines in the Russians empire.
I wouldn't blame them for famines in the Russian Empire. If I were to place blame on anyone it would be the pathetic and pitiful aristocracy and clergy who did not do the job that was assigned to them and just existed uselessly while sucking up rent and acting as parasites. To be clear I view those roles as necessary and good but they should actually do the jobs assigned to them. I would also blame the Tsars for not realizing what needed to be done and not purging those groups of the parasites within them. There were similar problems in the west actually which is why the liberals won the 19th century because they were the only ones actually doing anything.

Stalin's push for squeezing as much grain for export(As this was needed to build up Soviet industry), partially made this matter.
In a practical sense the results of Industrialization in both the west and USSR was the same. Agricultural communities declined.
The peasant/farmer culture by the way itself generally was not hostile to Stalin collectivization. Which itself came about because you couldn't really give peasant farmers plots of land and expect them to modernize and manage themselves. Because well most couldn't read or write neverminded do math.
This is not surprising. Most people are incapable of actually taking care of themselves and they need someone else to do it. If I was being rude I would say most people are completely retarded but if I were being charitable I'd say most people are like children.
 
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023...llage-for-conservative-american-expats-a81101 https://archive.is/LlRRh

Well that certainly looks interesting. Seems it's mostly limited to families that can pay their way. Would be another funding and information source for Russia, while keeping memetic hazards contained in it's own area with people only moving to the rest of Russia once fully integrated into Russian culture. I don't see it being a bad idea as only highly skilled people could afford the move, and if they are making the move the are committing to adopting Russia's culture.
No, isolating them is a really bad idea. Without any incentive to naturalise, they won’t. Stuffing immigrants into ghettos where they can live life without ever learning the local language is the key factor to why immigration has failed in Europe.
 
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These dudes are having a meltdown. It's very clear they A. Didn't watch the interview and B. Are under orders to shame anyone who did. You can tell they're mad that "Putler" wasn't a screaming wreck like Zelensky and maintained his composure. Can't keep up the genocidal maniac narrative if the guy is seen bing reasonable.
 

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These dudes are having a meltdown. It's very clear they A. Didn't watch the interview and B. Are under orders to shame anyone who did. You can tell they're mad that "Putler" wasn't a screaming wreck like Zelensky and maintained his composure. Can't keep up the genocidal maniac narrative if the guy is seen bing reasonable.
My favorite was shills dismissing the 2+ hour interview ~30 minutes after it was released. They couldn't even do the 2x speed cope.
You can't hire quality shills on the cheap.
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These dudes are having a meltdown. It's very clear they A. Didn't watch the interview and B. Are under orders to shame anyone who did. You can tell they're mad that "Putler" wasn't a screaming wreck like Zelensky and maintained his composure. Can't keep up the genocidal maniac narrative if the guy is seen bing reasonable.
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No, isolating them is a really bad idea. Without any incentive to naturalise, they won’t. Stuffing immigrants into ghettos where they can live life without ever learning the local language is the key factor to why immigration has failed in Europe.
I figure it's more like a "Little China" or "Hutterite Colony" where they have public resources in the local language and there are controlled opportunities to immerse yourself in Russian culture. It would obviously be staffed with Russian teachers, police, and newspapers (with American teachers and journalists being banned for the foreseeable future).
This way the could eventually establish an American oblast that functions like the jewish one, as opposed to dumping hordes of Americans on unsuspecting villages who now have to deal with troublemakers.
 
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