Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Debbie Macomber]

Potentially Criminal (Sean) is covering some of Greer's motions on his stream LIVE now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw002gHUZQ0

He says that if Russ drops the case he's on the hook to pay the lolyers
"As many a Persian Saytrape (?) learned, mercenaries want money, don't pay them at your own peril!"
Perhaps this relates to Russell demanding Null pay his lawyer's fees despite them working pro bono (which as explained earlier isn't unheard of)

Is there such a thing as an arrangement where lawyers say they'll represent you pro bono, but if the other party settles you have to pay them out of the settlement, and if you drop the suit they take it out of your ass?

 

[GaryGray]

If Putin could explain the entire history of Ukraine in 90 minutes then Russ should be able to explain within 9 days.

 

[Dyn]

Saytrape (?)

Satrap.

 

[TheOtherSideofMakeBelieve]

He says that if Russ drops the case he's on the hook to pay the lolyers
"As many a Persian Saytrape (?) learned, mercenaries want money, don't pay them at your own peril!"
Perhaps this relates to Russell demanding Null pay his lawyer's fees despite them working pro bono (which as explained earlier isn't unheard of)

Is there such a thing as an arrangement where lawyers say they'll represent you pro bono, but if the other party settles you have to pay them out of the settlement, and if you drop the suit they take it out of your ass?

That would be more of a 'contingency' setup I would think. Lots of personal injury lawyers do that, they'll handle the case out of pocket for the months/years that it takes for a resolution and then when you get paid they take a 25-35% cut of the payout, and if you lose you owe them little to nothing. I've never heard of this specific set-up but you can basically come up with any contract that you want as long as it's not illegal

That wasn't how I took that segment though. I don't remember exactly what he said so I'd have to rewatch it to summarize, but what I felt that he meant by 'mercernaries want to get paid' is that they won't be getting anything out of continuing to work on it at the district court level so far as pursuing their goals go so they won't do it without being paid. At the appeals level their compensation was a chance at setting more favorable precedent, at the district level there's not really anything for them.

There's not anything stopping you from asking for reasonable attorney's fees even if you're represented pro bono or pro se. I took that as Russell trying to weasel some $$$ out of the litigation fund without flat-out saying that he wanted a cut. If they actually did it on some pseudo-contingency setup rather than pro-bono and Russell is on the hook for tens of thousands of dollars though I might laugh myself into an asthma attack and die happy

 

[Himedall All-seeing Waifu]

He says that if Russ drops the case he's on the hook to pay the lolyers
"As many a Persian Saytrape (?) learned, mercenaries want money, don't pay them at your own peril!"
Perhaps this relates to Russell demanding Null pay his lawyer's fees despite them working pro bono (which as explained earlier isn't unheard of)

This is an historical reference to the downfall of the Persian empire that increasingly relied upon mercenary forces to defend their borders.

Spoiler: Persian History

As the economic situation of thr empire and greed of the local satraps (local bureaucratic executives) worsened, they were unwilling and able to pay, losing their services and the security they provided. They eventually fucked off or attacked the Persian cities.

Is there such a thing as an arrangement where lawyers say they'll represent you pro bono, but if the other party settles you have to pay them out of the settlement, and if you drop the suit they take it out of your ass?

In the United States, many will take a larger percentage of the settlement in exchange for no legal fees (or almost nothing). As to dropping the case and owing something to thr lawyers, I do not think that likely because they wouls be spending free time on noncery for the prospect of a low payout. It makes more sense for them to take cases they think they can win and a larger percentage than to take many smaller loser fees.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

I still don't fully understand, why those fair use erroding corpo lawyers left him after the appeal. They must have seen how badly he fucked the lawsuit up, they saved his ass in the appeals, by some pretty impressive law bending, only to now let him drown and squander their previous efforts?

Two reasons:
1. They wanted a win in the 10th circuit for precedent. Whether or not Russ wins or loses in the district court is irrelevant
2. They want to get paid.

He says that if Russ drops the case he's on the hook to pay the lolyers

He just isn’t aware it’s all been pro bono. He thinks that Russ secretly owes them like 30 grand. I feel like if that were true, they wouldn’t even be considering Russ’ begging anymore until he pays up. From Russ’ “evidence” and replies, I got the feeling that the issue is retainer money, not any outstanding debt

 

[RodgerDodger]

He just isn’t aware it’s all been pro bono. He thinks that Russ secretly owes them like 30 grand. I feel like if that were true, they wouldn’t even be considering Russ’ begging anymore until he pays up. From Russ’ “evidence” and replies, I got the feeling that the issue is retainer money, not any outstanding debt

I suspect they scaled the retainer fees quoted to be astronomically outside of Russ's reach. Somewhere the number $400/hr was mentioned. Yeah that's a polite "Get Fucked Freak" price quote. They want nothing more to do with this nutbag (unless SCOTUS suddenly picks it up!)

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Somewhere the number $400/hr was mentioned

I mentioned it because that’s what his lawyers have been asking in other cases in their home turf. I assumed that since they are done playing nice, they’d ask no less than that.

unless SCOTUS suddenly picks it up

So, if SCOTUS grants cert, you expect we’ll see them back again?

 

[RodgerDodger]

So, if SCOTUS grants cert, you expect we’ll see them back again?

of fuck yes. That's what it all about for them. Changing precedent. Plus its a marketing windfall for them to their RIAA masters.

 

[DumbDude43]

He just isn’t aware it’s all been pro bono. He thinks that Russ secretly owes them like 30 grand. I feel like if that were true, they wouldn’t even be considering Russ’ begging anymore until he pays up. From Russ’ “evidence” and replies, I got the feeling that the issue is retainer money, not any outstanding debt

if these guys expected to be paid then they would never have accepted russ as a client in the first place.
like, the dude filed his case in forma pauperis, meaning he convinced the court that not only is he too broke to hire lawyers, but that he is so fucking broke that he can't even afford the courts filing fees. the court approved this, meaning the judge officially agrees that greer is absolutely destitute and penniless.
if you're a lawyer and you want to get paid for your work, you don't accept bankrupt poorfags as clients.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

Russ doesn't seem to realize Null used a "crude drawing" PRECISELY BECAUSE Hardin probably told him "And don't use real pictures of those people or they can argue over image rights, but if you use caricatures you yourself commissioned they can't do anything about it"

 

[Dyn]

if these guys expected to be paid then they would never have accepted russ as a client in the first place.

They probably get paid by the RIAA or whoever to pick out random small-bean cases and try to score pro-IP wins.

 

[Pee Cola]

if you're a lawyer and you want to get paid for your work, you don't accept bankrupt poorfags as clients.

Unless you're doing it for exposure. In this case, the DJF guys appear to jump onto almost any potential anti-fair use case so they can be noticed by (((rights holders))).

 

[mindlessobserver]

So, if SCOTUS grants cert, you expect we’ll see them back again?

I dunno, if SCOTUS takes it up, it would only be because they are cheesed off on the 10th circuit ignoring their prior ruling. Which means they intend to give them a smack. Our fearless corporate crusaders may not want to get in the way of that freight train and risk raising issues they would rather not be adjudicated.

 

[Cynically Insane]

I have never been so excited for a weekend to end. What will Monday bring? Will we get an order on the stay request? Will we get more spergging from Russ? Will Hardin make more filings that inspire him into getting even crazier?

 

[TheOtherSideofMakeBelieve]

Do you think they'd be willing to leave that up to Russ though? It'd be amazing to have Russ have the concept of copyright thrown out entirely. I imagine some company will pay for him to have a lawyer to limit potential damage if they don't jump back in

 

[Debbie Macomber]

It seems the only thing Russ learned from his lolyers is that you can ask for infinity extensions and get them

But he might have flown to close to the sun asking for more time, blowing off the new deadline, then TELLING THE JUDGE what his new deadline will be, and promising to have it done by then, only to say "Actually, give me 90 more days!"

It was said before that the lolyers were doing a worse job than Russ himself, as even he met deadlines, but now, Russ has picked up all their worst habits and cranked them up to 10

 

[RodgerDodger]

if these guys expected to be paid then they would never have accepted russ as a client in the first place.
like, the dude filed his case in forma pauperis, meaning he convinced the court that not only is he too broke to hire lawyers, but that he is so fucking broke that he can't even afford the courts filing fees. the court approved this, meaning the judge officially agrees that greer is absolutely destitute and penniless.
if you're a lawyer and you want to get paid for your work, you don't accept bankrupt poorfags as clients.

I don't believe Russ has ever filed anything in forma pauperis. He pays his necesary filing fees and moans about how much it eats into his whore budget. He's too proud to file in forma pauperis. Plus it would put things like his work history on display in the record.

 

[DavidS877]

I don't believe Russ has ever filed anything in forma pauperis. He pays his necesary filing fees and moans about how much it eats into his whore budget. He's too proud to file in forma pauperis. Plus it would put things like his work history on display in the record.

Not if it's sealed.

 

[Bill Evans 45]

Two reasons:
1. They wanted a win in the 10th circuit for precedent. Whether or not Russ wins or loses in the district court is irrelevant
2. They want to get paid.

Can I propose a third reason? After wrangling the disaster that is Russ for months, they simply never want deal with him again. They have no obligation to him, they know he's broke, why would they ever want to get involved again?