Unpopular Opinions about Video Games

[Scarthew]

Haven't played it yet, I never finished BotW, I don't think its for me but I'll probably get around to playing and finishing both eventually just wasn't in the mood for something so slow at the time. Covid is probably to blame for that one though. Also its fair that they iterated on BotW once because I imagine it's not going to be the Zelda formula going forward. That way fans of BotW get to see a more polished version of the game they liked. I can think of many first attempts at a concept that never saw sequels that I loved and still want to see more of. I still want a proper follow up to rondo of blood.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that you can kill everyone, but that doesn't exactly solve the problem. That shit shouldn't even be in there in the first place for me to want to genocide all NPCs.

What can I say? A very loud portion of RPG players really seem to want that option. So much so that they'll defend BG3 because of it, and they'll condemn Skyrim and FO3 as bad games because those games don't let them kill everyone.

 

[skykiii]

And you'll deny it all you want but the other problem is Wokeism.

I've never denied that Wokeism is A problem.

The problem I've had with your arguments is you try to relate literally any bad thing that happens back to woke, even if the connection is very thin, and your definition of "wokeness" casts such a wide net that even media from past decades before Wokeness was a thing would, if they were made today, run afoul of your standards.

Essentially, you know the joke where the left wing thinks "socialism is any time something good happens?" Your version of that would be "wokeness is any time something bad happens."

I mean just for example, if you buy a game and then it refuses to run/keeps crashing on any machine you play it on--including the intended one--we can all agree that this isn't a "woke" problem, right? Right?

I'm not a GTA guy at all, but VC had a really cool aesthetic going with its 80's vibe.

eeeehhh kinda. But its hard to replay for me for various reasons (one big one being I've never liked GTA in general) but in that particular case it was my first exposure to "Theme Park Version of the Eighties" which I came to dislike... sort of my own "Whalers on the Moon."

Also its depressing to see tons of video and eletronic stores and not be able to explore them. Makes me just want a time machine more.

Again, this shows ignorance. Madden is a computer game whatever sport is the framework for the game's rules is irrelevant to said computer game. Madden has varied greatly in quality over the years and has many nuances between them. But in your brazen stupidity you think "it football so it bad" despite it being one of the most popular series ever made. You'd never be equipped to tell me what the benefits of any of them are but here you are saying something stupid again. (ps2 2004 is the best btw)

gotta be honest I'm actually on SSJ_Ness' side here.

Sports games really are a thing where if you're not ultra-hardcore, it can be hard to tell the difference between one and the other. I remember playing a lot of Baseball games (Bases Loaded, RBI, Super Baseball 2020, Ken Griffey's Winning Run etc) and they all basically seemed like the same game with a new skin.

I was going to say "I'm sure someone who obsesses over baseball could tell a difference" but I'm not so sure.

It can be true for say, board game adaptations as well. I love the board game Go, and used to collect video and computer game versions of it... but after awhile they all really do start to run together and feel like the same thing, so I would be hard-pressed to tell you what ones are a "good" version and which ones are "bad" based on any merit other than accessibility, features, and customization options.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

The problem I've had with your arguments is you try to relate literally any bad thing that happens back to woke, even if the connection is very thin, and your definition of "wokeness" casts such a wide net that even media from past decades before Wokeness was a thing would, if they were made today, run afoul of your standards.

You...you don't actually think that woke shit is recent do you? It's a recent term and there's way more of it than before, but it's existed for a long damn time, decades upon decades.

I mean just for example, if you buy a game and then it refuses to run/keeps crashing on any machine you play it on--including the intended one--we can all agree that this isn't a "woke" problem, right? Right?

Actually it could be, if the programmers are DEI hires. You just don't think deeply enough about this stuff. If a dumb gay black pilot crashes a plane you'd just see an accident, whereas I'd see the fruits of Wokeism.

eeeehhh kinda. But its hard to replay for me for various reasons (one big one being I've never liked GTA in general) but in that particular case it was my first exposure to "Theme Park Version of the Eighties" which I came to dislike... sort of my own "Whalers on the Moon."

Also its depressing to see tons of video and eletronic stores and not be able to explore them. Makes me just want a time machine more.

I know what you mean, it does feel sort of "exploitative" for lack of a better term.

I remember playing a lot of Baseball games (Bases Loaded, RBI, Super Baseball 2020, Ken Griffey's Winning Run etc) and they all basically seemed like the same game with a new skin.

Yeah, and I really think the only exception would be arcade-style sports games. I may never wanna play an NBA game but NBA Jam is a blast, and I think that's true for a lot of people.

 

[SIMIΔN]

This is dangerously close.

The hypersexuality is just a front for safety.
Here's an excellent GMV that covers the good outcome of a relationship between him and the murderhobo. Spoilers.

 

[Super Hans v2]

FO3 as bad games because those games don't let them kill everyone.

Even if Fallout 3 had all NPCs be killable, Emil's never produced anything of quality in his entire life. It still would have been a train crash, probably even more of one because that tard would have obscenely punished the player out of spite.

 

[skykiii]

You...you don't actually think that woke shit is recent do you? It's a recent term and there's way more of it than before, but it's existed for a long damn time, decades upon decades.

It also wasn't really offensive until just recently though.

Honestly discussing this much further risks going into Politisperging so maybe better for Deep Thoughts, especially since there's a current topic where we're kinda discussing this stuff anyway.

Yeah, and I really think the only exception would be arcade-style sports games. I may never wanna play an NBA game but NBA Jam is a blast, and I think that's true for a lot of people.

Heck yeah, its pretty much the one context I can hear "Boom Shakalaka" without cringing.

I also found Mega Man Soccer surprisingly fun, but since I'm known to be a Megaman fanboy that may be personal bias kicking in (no pun intended).

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Even if Fallout 3 had all NPCs be killable, Emil's never produced anything of quality in his entire life. It still would have been a train crash, probably even more of one because that tard would have obscenely punished the player out of spite.

I disagree. Emil's version of the Enclave was more realistic than Fallout 2's. Sure, they hunted the player down, but that was because their true ruler, Colonel Autumn, had a beef with the player due to the player's father nearly killing him. He just wanted to use water as a means to rebuild the American state, and his brutal methods were more pragmatic evil; secure the allegiance of the outside world while hunting those he deemed to be a threat. As opposed to Fallout 2's Enclave, which was stupid evil, since they somehow decided that killing everyone outside of their walls was a good idea, as if their small Enclave won't die off thanks to lack of genetic diversity and inbreeding. They also started off the game killing purebred humans in the opening, even though their president later states that he's doing the FEV genocide plot to keep purebred humans safe from mutated humans, which just makes them look like colossal morons. So the president who wants to keep pure humans alive doesn't stop his troops from butchering pure humans who welcomed the Enclave to their Vault with open arms.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

It also wasn't really offensive until just recently though.

Honestly discussing this much further risks going into Politisperging so maybe better for Deep Thoughts, especially since there's a current topic where we're kinda discussing this stuff anyway.

Even the biggest of trees always start as seeds, and forests don't just pop up out of nowhere. But sure, we'll discuss it elsewhere.

Heck yeah, its pretty much the one context I can hear "Boom Shakalaka" without cringing.

I also found Mega Man Soccer surprisingly fun, but since I'm known to be a Megaman fanboy that may be personal bias kicking in (no pun intended).

I didn't like the way MMS played as a kid, but I wouldn't mind trying it again in multiplayer, if it supports that. Nobody is going to want to play an ancient mediocre soccer game with me though lol

 

[vigilanterigs]

AAA too gay
indie way too gay

 

[The Ugly One]

In fact I wanna know why games take so long to make now, can't be graphics because even games like metroid, ratchet and clank 4 with cartoon graphics take forever.

"Cartoony" doesn't mean "sloppy work." Every detail of this scene required human labor to create.



Game artists are basically sculpting in 3D. Animating is professional work as well. And it all takes time. The more fidelity you want, the more man-hours it's going to take. This is also why low-budget 3D animated TV shows look like crap compared to Pixar movies.

 

[Judge Dredd]

In fact I wanna know why games take so long to make now, can't be graphics because even games like metroid, ratchet and clank 4 with cartoon graphics take forever.

Because the workflow is different. So many indie games use PS1 aesthetics and pixel art is because a single weapon for a AAA game took 48 hours to rig and model, whereas a PS1 style game will only take a few hours. That was during the Xbox 360 and PS4, I imagine it's gotten worse since then.

Another aspect is complex code like physics, and quality of life features players demand. This is why the Starfield city map drama is interesting, because "boring" things like maps, menus, and inventory systems take time to implement. This also applies to Palworld as well.

At this point, there's usually some smart arse who will point to some "I made GTA 5 in a week" video where they use Unity plug ins and stock assets. Checking the feature list, yes, it is GTA 5. But it barely functions, performs badly, looks bad, and is terrible to play. (Not that different from current AAA game am I right?)

And the final reason many AAA games take so long to make these days was covered by critical drinker recently. He was talking about film budgets, but many of the same concepts apply to games.

I was listening to Side Scrollers recently, and Craig mentioned that he visited Twitch a decade ago, and everyone was clueless. They were like Warhammer tech priests, not knowing how specific things works so preying that keeps working and it's a big emergency when anything broke, and that was a decade ago, it's likely gotten worse since. I imagine that applies to game development as well. That would explain why so many AAA devs accused Palworld of "cheating" the game process.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

"Cartoony" doesn't mean "sloppy work."

No, although it does tend to be more forgiving of amateurish work. When you shoot for cartoony, a certain amount of poor quality can be overlooked. When you shoot for realism and miss, it's far, far more obvious and grating. Sort of an uncanny valley thing at work.

Compare character models in Quake 1 or 2 verses Doom 3, for example. They don't even try to be particularly realistic, but even today, when they're obviously blocky, pixelated messes, they hold up better than the "tried to look real" Doom 3 models that look like weird waxy mannequins. And hell, you can't say Doom 3 was amateurish, but that just kinda highlights my point more - low-fidelity is more forgiving.

 

[The Ugly One]

No, although it does tend to be more forgiving of amateurish work.

There is a huge gulf between amateur and professional artwork regardless of style. Just look at that city I posted above. That's not something an amateur can crank out in ten minutes. Even the street lamp model probably took somebody a couple days.

 

[whogoesthere]

I dont think wokeness is that big of an issue with gaming, and I don't think its causing gaming to go to shit.

I think catering to women is what is happening. If you look at the last decade of mobile gaming, which is mostly enjoyed by women, you will see why traditional gaming (PC, console) has tried to grab that market share. Remember, mobile gaming has been more profitable and easier, no way they are going to let that pass without trying to dip their wick in that pool. Same reason we have seen a huge rise in microtransactions, massive selections of outfits etc, and more women as leads.

Men are a pain to cater towards, too many of us are autistic about our games and very spread out. Its much harder to have a hit with men, because some are happy to sink 2k hours into a sim racing game, or load up some game from 2 decades ago. Its a very diverse market for men, lots of different types of games.

Woke is just a byproduct of that, women like that kind of shit by and large. Not to mention, the nice ESG blackrock cash, not a stretch to see publishers wanting a slice of that pie. I mean, they fucking try to make games with gov money tax breaks, we have known that for decades.

You can still enjoy gaming as a man, you just have to try harder and actually scout about for things that interest you.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I dont think wokeness is that big of an issue with gaming, and I don't think its causing gaming to go to shit.

I don't know how anyone can even say that looking at AAA but this is beating a dead horse.

 

[The Ugly One]

I think catering to women is what is happening.

The so-called "catering to women" is wokeness. Women do not want to play a game about grabbing a machine gun and racing through ruins to paint the walls with your enemy's brains. Adding female characters does not change that. The only reason anyone is pretending they would if you just had more fEmAlE rEpReSenTaTiOn is wokeness.

Women want to play games about dressing up cute animals, or creating family drama, or adorable little farming villages. People who actually cater to women make games women like, they don't take games men like and jam in fat chicks and negresses with vitiligo. You want to make a game women like? Make a game about a kittens and baby ducks having tea parties and going shopping for pretty dresses (literally every woman reading this: ), you'll make a billion fucking dollars (), you don't take Battlefield and cram in a female operator.

Men are a pain to cater towards

No, not really.



It is not hard to make games guys like. What happened is that, after the Great Awokening, all the libs who run things declared that it is bad, wicked, and immoral to make things guys like. If you make something that only guys like, you are oppressing and excluding women. You have to put a weird old lesbian in it or something so that you will not be accused of being wicked and hating women. That's what's wokeness is.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

It is not hard to make games guys like.

If that was the case then they wouldn't have primarily marketed to us throughout the entirety of the 90's and vast majority of the 00's. Yet another statement I just don't know how anyone could make.

 

[Asian tech support]

I think catering to women is what is happening. If you look at the last decade of mobile gaming, which is mostly enjoyed by women, you will see why traditional gaming (PC, console) has tried to grab that market share. Remember, mobile gaming has been more profitable and easier, no way they are going to let that pass without trying to dip their wick in that pool. Same reason we have seen a huge rise in microtransactions, massive selections of outfits etc, and more women as leads.

Is this a round about way of saying women make better consoomers from the perspective of the industry? Because I agree with that. I don't think it's a coincidence that the industry began to cater to women immediately after gaming was no longer a niche hobby. Isn't there a statistic that claims something like 80% of personal spending in the US is done by women?

 

[Raging Capybara]

Women want to play games about dressing up cute animals, or creating family drama, or adorable little farming villages.

Not really. They want to play Hogwarts and Baldur's Gate 3.