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IF there was some clause to "delete everything", that doesn't prevent anything new being made.
You're retarded lol.
They're called KuroK9 and Matara Kan.
That's their current vtuber identities, yes.
Also I may be misremembering, but wasn't there another case of graduated livers' designs appearing in someone else's content at some point, and it was fine?
Maybe this had to do something with the fact that they asked management for permission beforehand and waited until they received it. Crazy idea, I know.
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You're retarded lol.

That's their current vtuber identities, yes.

Maybe this had to do something with the fact that they asked management for permission beforehand and waited until they received it. Crazy idea, I know.
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I think regardless of cultural context, Niji still looks bad.

If you want a Western branch then you should hire people who understand that the culture isn't like Japan's ( and that's qualified)
This whole thing reeks of bad foresight, but instead of fixing it they doubled down, put a target on their livers, and tried to unperson a suicidal girl ( Which ultimately proved the claims against them)
 
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Time for a SocialBlade update because I'm a loser like that. Numbers will be from when the video went out and the total amount since Selen was fired

Elira Pendora: 21k, 30k
Enna Allouette: 19k, 30k
Millie Parfait: 17k, 27k
Ike Everland: 9k, 14k
Vox Akuma: 20k total (did not lose enough subs for SB to notice when Selen was fired, so that's all since the video came out).

Not going to go through all of Nijisanji's numbers because they have too many people, but from those five alone we have a total of 121k subscribers gone. So much for being negligible.
 
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Not sure how I feel about Doki's "don't send hate to anyone involved" statement. I get that she wants to be clean from all this, but evil people deserve to be exposed for what they are.
I personally never understood why people bother even adding that, but that's me assuming people know better.
 
Not sure how I feel about Doki's "don't send hate to anyone involved" statement. I get that she wants to be clean from all this, but evil people deserve to be exposed for what they are.
Could be her being genuine in wanting people to be better. Could be her lawyer telling her to say it so she has documented deniability for the shit Nijisanji and its talent are getting deservedly thrown at them.
 
Not sure how I feel about Doki's "don't send hate to anyone involved" statement. I get that she wants to be clean from all this, but evil people deserve to be exposed for what they are.
I personally never understood why people bother even adding that, but that's me assuming people know better.
She writes that, and I believe truly wishes for it, because she's naïve, and she thinks if everyone just stops now, that things will change for the better and we won't see a threepeat. What if the next one to snap under the bullying isn't as strong as Sayu, or has less of a support network than Doki, and succeeds in committing suicide?

I don't think it's solely for deniability. She is a woman, and she is Chinese, but she's (somehow) not that much of a snake. The Hannery is weak in her genes.
 
Not sure how I feel about Doki's "don't send hate to anyone involved" statement. I get that she wants to be clean from all this, but evil people deserve to be exposed for what they are.
I personally never understood why people bother even adding that, but that's me assuming people know better.
Simple, she doesn't want others to go through similar bullying/harassment. Even then, it's better since then it's harder to say Doki incited bullying from fans when she was against it. The company drove her to this more so than the talents. The last thing she wants is to send hate to anyone caught in the crossfire just by still being in/supporting the company. Besides, why twist the knife when Anycolor's gonna fall back onto it soon enough.
 
It has always been company's policy to completely remove any imagery of graduated talents from any merch and promotion materials. Deleting all videos from the channel is also a standard response, and Nina had to specifically ask management to keep them for at least a limited time. I know that Nijisanji doesn't deserve benefit of the doubt at this point, but the way they've been strictly following that guideline seems to imply that 'delete everything after graduation' is probably a contractual agreement between them and talents.
'Let is slide, it's not a big deal' is not how Japanese companies operate. Yes, they should've made NijiEN a separate company with Western attitudes. Yes, that's why most creative livers already left NijiEN. Yes, it's obvious to us that Mysta and Nina's VAs wouldn't sue Nijisanji for a cameo appearance. It's not so obvious to the Japanese. They likely don't have to be this strict about it (given that, for example, Pekora had Rushia in her intro long after she was terminated), but that's Nijisanji company-wide rules that everybody had to follow and Selen was expecting preferential treatment.
Reimu had Nina on her intro screen for her summer outfit, an outfit that was released almost half a year after Nina's graduation

She had a stream that very same day with Petra, where you can clearly spot a direct reference to Nina's apperance (White hair, broad hat like her 2nd outfit, fox tails and red accents) in the background of her stream start

Now, this could've been approved long before Nina's graduation, but the fact that there hasnt been any sort of edits or immediate removal of Nina's apperance, or a sort of public indication of that, unlike Selen's video that was taken down, then there are chances there arent any bizzare indications to not include graduated livers in content

Maybe this had to do something with the fact that they asked management for permission beforehand and waited until they received it. Crazy idea, I know.
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https://youtu.be/Vu0_lFVssS0?t=2983

You can give something against Selen in that she seemingly didnt wait for permission yes, but its still not verboten to include graduated livers in new content
also, what does Phase have to do with anything, different company, different continent, retard

Also, on the JP side, Hololive still has Coco's channel up, even in the NijiJP side you have graduated livers like Warabada Meiji still have their content up https://www.youtube.com/@WarabedaMeiji/streams graduated almost two years ago now, go to this shitty list and you can find a fair amount of graduated livers who still have content up, not everyone, and it obviously does not include terminations, but there are enough outliers to prove that they dont shoah everything a liver does upon graduation under certain circumstances
 
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She writes that, and I believe truly wishes for it, because she's naïve, and she thinks if everyone just stops now, that things will change for the better and we won't see a threepeat. What if the next one to snap under the bullying isn't as strong as Sayu, or has less of a support network than Doki, and succeeds in committing suicide?
Not sure how I feel about Doki's "don't send hate to anyone involved" statement. I get that she wants to be clean from all this, but evil people deserve to be exposed for what they are.
I don't think she's Machiavellian enough to consider all the angles of this, but I do believe this is a good move from a PR standpoint.

Going scorched earth on Niji would be making an offensive move, which she's refrained from so far and it's worked out well for her. It would also put "blood" on Doki's hands in regards to anything that happened to the livers involved. It's hard to play the victim of social bullying while also calling for people to be bullied.

However, mentioning that she tried not once, but twice, will also rile up people who genuinely want to go after Niji, and those people probably wouldn't be stopped by anything Doki says.

So it simultaneously rids Doki of any responsibility while also empowering those who want to go after Niji. Remember, Niji put themselves in this hole because they tried to ruin her, when they should've stayed peaceful and silent. She shouldn't make the same mistake.
 
She's posted it in Japanese now too. It says pretty much the same thing the English one says.
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【この文章は日本のファンに向けて作った日本語訳です。もし英語と食い違いがあった場合は、英語の方を優先してください。The following statement is translated for Japanese fans. For any discrepancies found in the Japanese version, please refer to the English version.】

私は前に進む準備をして最後の声明を出しましたし、丸一週間、自分の過去に関することは何も見ていませんでした。Dokiに戻ってから、法律関係の書類や自分の状況に関するものは一切見てこなかったんです。未来に希望を持ちたかったし、もうあちら側と関わりたくなかったからです。だけど、全部こんな風に返ってきて、ようやく癒えかけていた傷が再び開くことになり、どのように対応するかについて、弁護士さんとまた話さなければならなくなりました。

例の文書は、当初、私の考えやこれまでの経緯を証拠とともに記録し、何が起こっていたのか、また対処すべき問題があるのか、私の弁護士さんが全体像を把握できるようにするために作成したものでした。精神的に一番落ち込んでいた時期に作成したもので、その時に頭の中にあったことを少しずつ書いていきました。私の弁護士さん以外には絶対に公開しないつもりで作ったものです。私の個人情報やプライバシーに関する情報など、公開されるべきではない情報が詰まった文書でしたが、他の人の住所や具体的な場所の記載はありません。録音については、2人で企画したコラボイベントのための配信テストのためのものでしかなく、たまたまテスト録音で残っていたもので、他の誰かとの会話を録音したことはありません。その録音は法的な交渉の場を含め、どこにも公開されたことはなく、他に録音はありません。しかし、このことに触れられる事態となったことを残念に思っており、この件で誤解を招いた関係者の皆さまには申し訳なく思っています。

私は、ただ前に進みたいと望んでいました。向こうの弁護士から何日も何も音沙汰がないこともあり、ずっと一人で孤立しているような気分でした。精神的にとても辛かったです。2月5日、私の弁護士さんは私と話し合い、私がやめることを申し出てから1週間、先方の弁護士から何の連絡もなく、交渉の話もなく、話し合いの場も与えられなかったので、私が書いていた文書を先方の弁護士に見せた方がいいとの助言をもらいました。私は、この文書が他のことに使われることは一切想定しておらず、私の弁護士さんにそのことを伝えて、この文書が書かれてあるままに公開されることはないことも話し、私の弁護士さんも先方に文書を送る際にそのように伝えました。でも、弁護士さんが文書を送ってから2時間も経たないうちに、私の契約解除の報告は公表されました。私はとてもショックを受けましたが、この文書について聞いたり考えたりするのはこれが最後だと思い、個人的に、これで弁護士さんや法律関係とのかかわりは終わりだと思いました。

弁護士同士のコミュニケーションはすべて日本語で行われました。物事は白か黒かではないし、異なる国で弁護士が関与すると、すべてがより複雑になり、泥沼化します。物事が複数の関係者に、異なる角度からのコミュニケーションで伝えられると、すべてが異なる物語になり、異なる翻訳になります。私の方は、もう終わったことだと思っていたし、起こったことを受け入れ、前に進む準備はできています。私がこの状況について皆さんに公表することは、すべて先方に対する応答でした。1カ月前だったら、頭の中に怒りの感情もあったし、強い孤独感もあったので、異なる応答になっていたと思います。でも、もう1カ月前とは違うし、私は受け入れています。中立的で非公開なままにしたかったけれど、今は世界中を巻き込んで、一つ一つのことがみんなの注目を集めている状況です。

私は完璧ではないし、過ちもありました。昨夜、生まれて初めて目の前で父が泣き崩れるところを目の当たりにしました。いろいろなことが起こったけれど、どうかすべての関係者に優しさを示してほしいです。私が一連の件を公にしたくなかった理由のひとつは、インターネットは残酷な場所であり、このようなお知らせが投下された瞬間に、このようなことが起こるだろうと思ったからです。両親とセラピスト以外には誰にも明かさないでいたことですが、実は、私が命を絶つ決断をしたのは1度だけではなく2度で、2度目は1度目の数週間後のことでした。両親が、事の起きる前に何時間も私を探して、間一髪で見つけてくれたおかげです。その時私は本当に暗闇の中にいて、誰にもこんな経験をしてほしくないと思っています。私が経験したようなことは、誰も経験すべきではありません。私がこのことを明らかにしたのは、同情を集めるためではなく、どんな命であれエゴや何かを勝ち取るために危険にさらされるべきでないということを伝えたかったからです。この件に勝者などいません。子供のように振る舞うのはやめてください。みんな大人として、共感と優しさを持って接してください。

いわゆるレシート、文書その他のものを、私が暴露することを期待している人たちには申し訳ないのですが、これらのやりとりは私的なもので、必要であれば弁護士間で行うべきものです。私的な文書を公開したり、その中の詳細について話したりすると、外部の関係者が関与することで事態が悪化し、より複雑化するだけであり、また誰かが傷つくだけです。誰も追い詰められるべきではありません。この状況をただ見ていただけの罪のない人たちも含め、多くの人が傷つき、巻き込まれてきました。最後になりますが、私は変わらずここにいて、公の場で何かあってもそれに対する応答しかしません。これが私の最後の声明になることを願っています。

I can only hope some specific JP fans see this and cool off.
 
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Yes, they should've made NijiEN a separate company with Western attitudes.
If you want a Western branch then you should hire people who understand that the culture isn't like Japan's ( and that's qualified)
That's what I said. I completely agree with you.
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what does Phase have to do with anything, different company, different continent, retard

Maybe this had to do something with the fact that they asked management for permission beforehand and waited until they received it. Crazy idea, I know.
You can give something against Selen in that she seemingly didnt wait for permission yes, but its still not verboten to include graduated livers in new content

They likely don't have to be this strict about it (given that, for example, Pekora had Rushia in her intro long after she was terminated), but that's Nijisanji company-wide rules

Deleting all videos from the channel is also a standard response, and Nina had to specifically ask management to keep them for at least a limited time
there are enough outliers to prove that they dont shoah everything a liver does upon graduation under certain circumstances
So, you basically wrote the same things I wrote but framed them as arguments against an imaginary version of me? Ok.
Anyways, I'm not sure what you are trying to argue. We have screenshots of manager's messages to Selen telling her that having ex-livers in the video requires extra time for confirmation. Do you think manager made up this rule on the spot because he hates Selen? Do you think those screenshots are fake? Or do you completely agree with me but feel the need to argue with an imaginary version of me for some reason?
 
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