Law A famous climate scientist is in court, with big stakes for attacks on science - They're trying to use the courts to stop any criticism of their bogus theories.

FEBRUARY 6, 20246:00 AM ET
By Julia Simon

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Michael Mann is a professor of Earth and Environmental Science at University of Pennsylvania. He's suing a right wing author and a policy analyst for defamation.
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In a D.C. courtroom, a trial is wrapping up this week with big stakes for climate science. One of the world's most prominent climate scientists is suing a right wing author and a policy analyst for defamation.

The case comes at a time when attacks on scientists are proliferating, says Peter Hotez, professor of Pediatrics and Molecular Virology at Baylor College of Medicine. Even as misinformation about scientists and their work keeps growing, Hotez says scientists haven't yet found a good way to respond.

"The reason we're sort of fumbling at this is it's unprecedented. And there is no roadmap," he says.

A famous graph becomes a target

The climate scientist at the center of this trial is Michael Mann. The Professor of Earth and Environmental Science at University of Pennsylvania gained prominence for helping make one of the most accessible, consequential graphs in the history of climate science.

First published in the late 1990s, the graph shows thousands of years of relatively stable global temperatures. Then, when humans start burning lots of coal and oil, it shows a spike upward. Mann's graph looks like a hockey stick lying on its side, with the blade sticking straight up.

The so-called "hockey stick graph" was successful in helping the public understand the urgency of global warming, and that made it a target, says Kert Davies, director of special investigations at the Center for Climate Integrity, a climate accountability nonprofit. "Because it became such a powerful image, it was under attack from the beginning," he says.

The attacks came from groups that reject climate science, some funded by the fossil fuel industry. In the midst of these types of attacks - including the hacking of Mann's and other scientists' emails by unknown hackers - Penn State, where Mann was then working, opened an investigation into his research. Penn State, as well as the National Science Foundation, found no evidence of scientific misconduct. But a policy analyst and an author wrote that they were not convinced.

The trial, more than a decade in the making

The trial in D.C. Superior Court involves posts from right wing author Mark Steyn and policy analyst Rand Simberg. In an online post, Simberg compared Mann to former Penn State Football coach Jerry Sandusky, a convicted child sex abuser. Simberg wrote that Mann was the "Sandusky of climate science" writing that Mann "molested and tortured data." Steyn called Mann's research fraudulent.

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The hockey stick graph, based on research from Michael Mann and other scientists, helped make global warming accessible to a wide audience. It was featured in part in the documentary An Inconvenient Truth. The graph also became a target for climate deniers.
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Mann sued the two men for defamation. Mann also sued the publishers of the posts, National Review and the Competitive Enterprise Institute, but in 2021, the court ruled they couldn't be held liable.

In court, Mann has argued he lost funding and research opportunities. Steyn said in court that if Penn State's president, Graham Spanier, covered up child sexual assault why wouldn't he cover up for Mann's science. The science in question used ice cores and tree rings to estimate Earth's past temperatures.

"If Graham Spanier is prepared to cover up child rape, week in, week out, year in, year out, why would he be the least bit squeamish about covering up a bit of hanky panky with the tree rings and the ice cores?" Steyn asked the court.

Mann and Steyn declined to speak to NPR during the ongoing trial. One of Simberg's lawyers, Victoria Weatherford, said "inflammatory does not equal defamatory" and that her client is allowed to express his opinion, even if it were wrong.

"No matter how offensive or distasteful or heated it is," Weatherford tells NPR, "that speech is absolutely protected under the First Amendment when it's said against a public figure, if the person saying it believed that what they said was true."

Many scientists under attack

Mann isn't the only climate scientist facing attacks, says Lauren Kurtz, executive director of the Climate Science Legal Defense Fund.

"We help more scientists every year than the year before," Kurtz says, "We actually broke a record in 2023. We helped over 50 researchers."

Dozens of climate scientists from the federal government have contacted her group in recent years, many alleging they were censored under the Trump administration. During his presidency Donald Trump denied the science of climate change and pulled the U.S. out of the U.N. Paris Climate Agreement addressing global warming.

But while climate researchers were early targets of people rejecting peer-reviewed science, now those attacks have spread to biomedical scientists, supercharged by the COVID-19 pandemic. Kurtz says while they primarily provide legal defense for climate researchers, they've recently heard from COVID-19 researchers, too.

Hotez worries about the ramifications for the future of science and medicine. He says: "Young people, looking at future careers, looking at how scientists are attacked are going to say, 'Well, why do I want to go into this profession?'"

Solutions for attacks on scientists

Hotez says he's glad Mann is fighting back in court. But he doesn't think a bunch of lawsuits is a sustainable solution. And he says he wants to keep working in the lab.

"We have a new human hookworm vaccine that'll come online soon," he says, "That's how I want to spend my time. I don't want to spend my day making cold calls to plaintiff lawyers."

Imran Ahmed, chief executive at the Center for Countering Digital Hate, says any response has to include social media companies as that's where attacks on scientists happen every day. Research finds that social media platforms can encourage the spread of scientific and medical misinformation.

Hotez says he and Mann are working on an upcoming project, collaborating on what they see as overlap in attacks on climate science and biomedicine, and how to counter it.

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And of course carbon is perfect as social control. It’s a massive thing nobody can do anything about. Can’t see it or hear it. But the government can use this invisible thing to regulate your behaviour. We desperately need a return to REAL environmentalism - preservation of habitat, biodiversity, and clean water and air and soil.
Yeah, I can see the Crying Indian from that old classic 1970s PSA crying upstairs because environmentalism had been hijacked by bureaucrats and statists as a thirst of power.
 
Some plants evolved to live off less carbon, so the extra carbon actually isn't good for them. Neither is the massive lack of uncultivated, natural habitat for them to grow.
I don't know about plants being affected currently or even in realistic scenarios. Maybe in an extreme case where CO2 quantity is 30x more.
The first animals to be affected by Co2 in sea are Corals in some places but fortunately they can adapt at 2C over preindustrial.
It's not very hard to understand that excess carbon is raising the average global temperature by trapping heat. How much more cause and effect can you get?
I tend to believe this is true and to be more safe than sorry it would be good to reduce emissions where it is feasable and doesnt fuck with economy or prosperity.
My take is climate change in the present is mild and effects aren't very noticeable. Considering today the average preindustrial increase is 1.2C, the increase of temperature on soil is about 2C over preindustrial that is attributed by GHG trapping (A bit more in arctic).
You hear record temperatures, but that is normal in this decade. We are in the hotter phase of Pacific multi decadal oscillation, over El Nino, And on top of that Tonga volcano water vapours without any cooling SO2 emissions.

Keep calm and carry on with your life. It isn't worth worrying about climate change. We are able to live and grow even in the worst case scenario which is now 2.4C at 2100.

I don't hate being more friendly to environment. I hate activists and politicians that are deluded, living in ivory towers and push hardships on lower-middleclass. Or grifters like Mann.
People would accept more these issues if they would be honest.
 
Warm periods in geological history are associated with explosions of life. When the earth was 7-8 degrees warmer than it is now, there were paratropical forests in Siberia, not mass planetary extinction. The idea that the Little Ice Age from 1300-1850 is some kind of thermal ideal for life on the planet is probably the dumbest of all the ideas the climate cult pushes.
 
communism is when all production of goods is controlled by workers.
"The Chinese Communist Party isn't real communism!"

JFC.
Found the commie.

Warm periods in geological history are associated with explosions of life.
Also, giant fucking bugs.
When wasps are the size of softballs, the argument for gun control dies.
"nobody needs 30 rou--" (swarms you in hives of giant wasps from "sliders")"
 
People talk about there being a climate cult, but you can see the same kind of coping in this thread that intelligent design people used to do back in the 2000s whenever they encountered a setback. The ivory tower is practicing fake science, they know the truth but won't share their real data because they're atheists who want to hoard power, the fact that everyone in academia who studies this stuff says that we're wrong proves that there's a conspiracy going on because surely someone would believe us if the playing field was at all level, some grifter I saw on Fox said that this or that aspect of evolutionary theory has been disproven, evolutionists don't have an answer for X according to a National Geographic article from 30 years ago and the eggheads refuse to acknowledge it, scientists have inherent conflicts of interest but Pastor Billy from the Creation Institute can be trusted because he agrees with us and he would have blown them away if he'd been allowed to take the stand, etc etc etc.

The biggest difference is that there is a lot of money to be lost in climate change mitigation, so there is a strong incentive for culture warriors to keep minimizing or denying it, since confusing the public or slowing down their opponents is considered a win. Creationism/ID supporters didn't want to just stymie evolutionists, so they didn't seek out neutrality or passive acceptance. There was certainly no analogue to this in the creationist discussions that I remember:

Keep calm and carry on with your life. It isn't worth worrying about climate change. We are able to live and grow even in the worst case scenario which is now 2.4C at 2100.
 
People talk about there being a climate cult, but you can see the same kind of coping in this thread that intelligent design people used to do back in the 2000s whenever they encountered a setback.

The coping is by the establishment. The 2012 tipping point didn't happen. The UK isn't under water. There's no solution to the intermittency problem. Etc. It's a lot like the coping they do about evolutionary biology every time yet another twin study shows that niggers are born retarded, not made retarded via muh systemic oppression.

The biggest difference is that there is a lot of money to be lost in climate change mitigation, so there is a strong incentive for culture warriors to keep minimizing or denying it, since confusing the public or slowing down their opponents is considered a win.

Wake me when Norway shuts down their petroleum wells. The strongest argument against "global boiling" and "climate catastrophe" is its loudest proponents do not actually do anything to reduce the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. Instead, the plan is to increase global CO2, but primarily by moving fossil fuel consumption to 3rd world countries while impoverishing the 1st world in the name of "equity." It's not unlike how COVID-19 was a super-deadly virus that threatened humanity so badly that the whole world needed to be on house arrest, unless of course they wanted to illegally cross the US border or riot about a dead nigger.

If something is an existential threat, it doesn't turn off when you want to riot for niggers, make America less white, move Western industry to China, or fund your Scandinavian welfare state.
 
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So apparently the DC jury did what all DC juries have been doing for the past 5 years and rubber-stamped "guilty because Republican" on the verdict despite clear evidence the plaintiffs were lying frauds, including lies caught on the stand.

Interesting they only determined $1 in actual damages, then tacked in $1 MILLION in "punitive damages".

This is an easy gimme on appeal, but the trouble is this guy being sued isn't exactly healthy.
We could end up with the shitty precedent where it stands because the litigant DIES during the appellate process, mooting the case.

Btw: Defendant is an IDIOT for not going for a bench trial. DC juries are made of 2 types: niggers and lobbyists. You do not accept a DC jury because it's not "of your peers".
Further, Bench trials are easier to overturn than Juries.
 
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The guys of American Thinker posted a good rant about Mann vs Steyn.

February 15, 2024

The Verdict Against Mark Steyn Effectively Stifles Speech In America​

By Huck Davenport


In 1925, John Scopes was put on trial for teaching evolution. He lost. It was called the trial of the century and captured the nation’s attention. For Americans, assaults on free speech are intolerable. Speech is the lifeblood of freedom. It is the hill we will die on because, instinctively, we know that without it, it would also mean death. At least, we used to know.
Last week, the 21st century’s trial of the century came to a similarly ignoble end, but nearly without coverage, without interest, without outrage. Polymath Mark Steyn, appearing pro se, lost a defamation suit (ironically) defending against Michael Mann when a DC jury ordered Steyn to pay damages of $1 but imposed staggering punitive damages of $1 million.
Some background: Michael Mann co-wrote a paper in 1999 using tree-ring data as a proxy for temperature (thicker rings, warmer temperatures) to show that over the last 1000 years, temperatures declined slightly until 1960 when they dramatically spiked up—the shape of what would infamously be called the “Hockey Stick.”
The IPCC featured Mann’s work prominently in their 2001 report. It catapulted Mann to stardom and ignited the radical climate-industrial-political complex. The resulting Green agenda has consumed trillions and turned everyone’s life upside down.

The problem was that hundreds of scientists were highly critical of Mann’s work. Stephen McIntyre, for one, an Oxford-educated PhD in mathematics, published several papers, one in the same journal that published Mann’s original paper, concluding Mann’s result “lacks statistically significance,” and worse, he showed that Mann’s data manipulation “is so strong that a hockey-stick … is nearly always generated from (trendless) red noise.”
 
One day I will make Android Raptor a climate change enthusiast. She can have all the giant roaches, I'll make a millipede train and ride on it in autistic glory with Dr Love and the rusky army.
 
The coping is by the establishment. The 2012 tipping point didn't happen. The UK isn't under water. There's no solution to the intermittency problem. Etc. It's a lot like the coping they do about evolutionary biology every time yet another twin study shows that niggers are born retarded, not made retarded via muh systemic oppression.



Wake me when Norway shuts down their petroleum wells. The strongest argument against "global boiling" and "climate catastrophe" is its loudest proponents do not actually do anything to reduce the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. Instead, the plan is to increase global CO2, but primarily by moving fossil fuel consumption to 3rd world countries while impoverishing the 1st world in the name of "equity." It's not unlike how COVID-19 was a super-deadly virus that threatened humanity so badly that the whole world needed to be on house arrest, unless of course they wanted to illegally cross the US border or riot about a dead nigger.

If something is an existential threat, it doesn't turn off when you want to riot for niggers, make America less white, move Western industry to China, or fund your Scandinavian welfare state.

There is a rhetorical trick called the Gish Gallop that was pioneered by, you guessed it, a creationist, one who was infamous for engaging in as many debates with scientists as he could and then spending his time tossing out irrelevant, spurious, and untrue claims to confuse his opponents, like flares tossed in front of a heat-seeking missile.
 
It boggles the mind that Steyn represented himself in this suit. I think the punitive damages award is so out of line with the $1 in actual damages that it should be reversed on appeal, but what do I know?
The fact a guilty verdict is allowed to stand at all is what matters here.
 
There is a rhetorical trick called the Gish Gallop that was pioneered by, you guessed it, a creationist, one who was infamous for engaging in as many debates with scientists as he could and then spending his time tossing out irrelevant, spurious, and untrue claims to confuse his opponents, like flares tossed in front of a heat-seeking missile.
Oh, so you mean like the entirety of this post? Where you ignore the fact that in the 70s it was an impending Snowball Earth, Mann's hockey stick is bullshit and has been bullshit, he was picking and choosing data from climate monitoring stations atop skyscrapers in heat islands, and not a single gloom and doom "we're all gonna die!" prediction by the so-called experts has actually come to pass? That climate saints like that fine Irish laddie Brock O'bama keep buying beachfront property, and that Martha's Vineyard still hasn't been wiped off the map by a rising sea?

You say there's a lot of money to lose regarding "climate denial" and you're right, it's just that you're right on the wrong side. Every single one of my colleagues at university had to couch their grant apps in terms of "understanding past climates" regardless of how tenuously their geological project was related to paleoclimatology if they wanted to stand a chance for the money, and that was literally ten years ago. I can't imagine it's changed. EVs, wind, and solar require fucktons of subsidies to be 'affordable' while the processes that mine and refine the raw materials necessary for their construction destroy habitat and create all sorts of waste products that are either hazardous or impossible to recycle (or both).

You, like Greta, can fuck off. Whatever effects humans are having on the climate, the proposed 'solutions' are all going to make things worse, not better.
 
It might be worth to bump this thread because Mark Steyn goes on appeal.
March 16, 2024

Mark Steyn appeals hockey stick verdict​

By Peter Kauffner

Climate bully Michael Mann, with mixed results, has been suing those who criticize his “hockey stick” graph of climate history. This 1998 graph purported to show that global temperature was stable until about 1900 when human-induced warming struck. In February, Mann scored a $1 million libel judgement against Canadian columnist Mark Steyn in a court in the District of Columbia. Steyn has responded with an appeal.
Punitive damages are typically calculated as a ratio to actual damages. With only $1 in actual damages, the ratio in this case is a staggering million to one. This amount is so excessive that there doesn’t seem to be any precedent for it, according to Steyn’s appeal.
On the other hand, the appeal does cite numerous precedents to support a decision to reduce an excessive award. In one example, the DC court of appeals referred to a 1:145 ratio as “staggering.” An award can be overturned based on DC law, on the First Amendment, or as a violation of the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment. A more reasonable five-to-one ratio would result in Mann taking home $6 instead of a million.
Steyn called Mann’s graph “fraudulent” and compared him to a child molester. Opinions are protected free speech, a principle that should cover both of these statements.
 
Updoot!

Mann just got a hockey stick shoved up his ass.

His $1 million defamation suit award was reduced to 5000 bucks, and he was slapped with a bill for $500,000 in legal fees.


Michael Mann, the climate scientist famous for his “hockey stick” graph, won a $1 million defamation case — but a judge has now slashed the award, sanctioned his lawyers, and ordered him to pay over $500,000 in legal fees.

Dino Grandoni reports for The Washington Post.

In short:

  • Mann initially won a defamation case against two conservative commentators who falsely accused him of academic fraud, comparing his climate research to child molestation.
  • A judge has now ruled that Mann’s lawyers misrepresented financial damages, reducing his award and ordering him to pay legal costs for National Review, one of the publishers of the defamatory content.
  • Mann’s legal team plans to appeal, arguing the original defamation ruling remains valid and that the court made significant legal and factual errors.
 
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A Penn climate scientist was awarded $1 million in a defamation case. Now he owes that much to those he sued.
The Philadelphia Inquirer (archive.ph)
By Abraham Gutman
2025-05-29 07:07:31GMT
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Michael Mann, then a professor of atmospheric science at Penn State, arrives at the "Before the Flood" premiere at the Toronto International Film Festival in 2016. Evan Agostini / Evan Agostini/Invision/AP

Things have gone from good to bad to worse for renowned University of Pennsylvania climate scientist Michael Mann as fallout from his 2024 victory in a defamation trial against two right-wing bloggers and their publishers continues.

After winning a $1 million verdict, Mann suffered a series of court losses that resulted in a judge reducing the verdict to $5,000, sanctioning the scientist, and ordering him to pay the attorneys fees of those he sued.

Those fees crossed $1 million last week, when Judge Alfred S. Irving of the D.C. Superior Court ordered Mann to pay an additional $477,000 in attorneys fees for expenses incurred by two other defendants.

“My lawyers and I believe that the fee award entered by the trial court was not correctly decided, and we intend to seek further review of that award,” Mann said in a statement. ”In the meantime, we also are pursuing an appeal from the trial court’s earlier ruling reducing the punitive damages awarded to me by the jury and other errors.”

Mann, who joined Penn from Penn State in 2022, sued bloggers Rand Simberg and Mark Steyn, as well as the National Review and the Competitive Enterprise Institute, in 2012 over a pair of articles that attacked his scholarship. In one article, Simberg called Mann the “Jerry Sandusky of climate change,” referring to the disgraced Penn State football coach.

“Instead of molesting children, [Mann] has molested and tortured data,” Simberg said in an OpenMarket.org article, according to the complaint.

Steyn referenced Simberg’s article in a piece in National Review, calling Mann’s research “fraudulent.”

A 2024 jury in D.C. sided with Mann, and awarded him $1 million from Steyn and $1,000 from Simberg in punitive damages, and $2 in compensatory damages ($1 from each writer).

In January, Irving ordered Mann to pay $530,000 to the National Review, which the conservative magazine requested under a law that protects from retaliatory lawsuits aimed to censor speech.

Then in March, Irving reduced the verdict against Steyn to $5,000, calling the original award “grossly excessive.” The judge also sanctioned Mann and ordered him to pay attorneys’ fees related to the “erroneous” grant funding data his legal team presented.

Part of Mann’s case was that his grant funding was impacted by the bloggers’ statements. But the figures he presented at trial were incorrect.

For example, Mann’s attorneys presented an exhibit that said the scientist had a $9.7 million grant, but the budget of the grant was only $112,000.

The misrepresentation was “an affront to the Court’s authority and an attack on the integrity of the proceedings,” Irving said in his March opinion.

And in the latest blow to Mann, Irving ordered that the scientist pay $477,000 in attorneys fees to the Competitive Enterprise Institute and Simberg, under the same anti-retaliatory law the National Review cited.
 
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