Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Fapcop said:
Still though… Russia is one of the very few countries in the world able to make turbojet engines. Even China hasn’t quite mastered it yet.
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But Russia threw their aircraft engine developers to the curb in favor of Western manufacturers, and that turned out to be disastrous in the long run, as Russian companies like Aviadvigatel lost its experience in building these aircraft engines and has to re-master making turbojet engines. Even so, since the more Russified version of the Irkut MC-21 has been constantly delayed, it shows that the Russian manufacturing industry still hasn't re-mastered their capabilities.
Betonhaus said:
Is there a chance that some major airlines would determine that Russian planes are more reliable then Boeing? That could be a good market
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Fapcop said:
Boeing/Airbus are very hard to compete with, with their unofficial and official government subsidies.
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With the tragedy that is the Sukhoi Superjet 100, no. If Russia can't keep up with manufacturing planes and parts, what makes their plane, even if it as good as it gets, reliable (even in regards to economic viability)?

I would say Russian airliners themselves have the potential capabilities to be more reliable than Boeing and Embraer though. Beating Airbus though is like unreachable. Airbus has literally perfected all their aircraft to be as reliable as possible.
Duke Nukem said:
Russia has rarely had decent naval capabilities but I believe that's at least in part due to its unusual geography and most of its ports are frozen anyway. Plus having little money available to make the required repairs on the vessels they have now.
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Japan obliterated Russia's navy in 1905 because of Russia's frozen ports. Russian ships of the Pacific Fleet were trapped in Port Arthur in China when Japan invaded because they couldn't use Vladivostok, their home part, because its port was frozen.

Corruption played a huge in role in preventing Russian ships to be repaired with what money what was left.
 
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Clinton-era US General Wesley Clark has a simple solution by which Ukraine can utterly defeat the Russian Army and throw it back over the 1991 borders. They just need to learn the lessons of D-Day.

The US army had setbacks in 1942 and 1943. It wasn't capable in those years of winning in France. But by the time D-Day happened, they had it all figured out. All Ukraine has to is the same thing and they will absolutely defeat the entire Russian Army. Because if the US won in 1944, all Ukraine has to do is the same things and then can win now. Everything that happened in 2023 fits the world war II analogy so Ukraine can't lose.

What Ukraine Can Learn from D-Day

The three keys are "recon, rehearsal and deception".

Ukrainian forces must develop multiple attack points and deceive the Russians about the location of their main effort. They could gain air superiority largely with drones and long-range air defense—pending receipt of a few more Patriot systems, as well as additional enhanced technology in electronic warfare and drones.

Its amazing how all these US generals are completely ignorant about the nature of the conflict in Ukraine and the things actually happening on the ground. The strategy for winning is always some sort of boomer analogy to how Hitler was defeated combined with the idea that air superiority alone is the key to winning.

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I also recently saw some stuff that sort of explains Ukraine's obsession with getting A-10 aircraft from the US. Ukraine is desperate to replace its SU-25's with A-10s. It does not seem to be a matter of reason or logic. They just want A-10s because they can't get replacements or spare parts for the SU-25s. The A-10s would be as prone to being shot down and as marginally useful as the SU-25s. But having A-10s would improve logistics for a weapon system they have in their inventory.

Everyone seems to actually understand that the A-10 will stand no chance on the battlefield in Ukraine and losses will become unacceptable. But Ukraine is so addicted to the idea of the SU-25 that they just can't seem to envision not having something like it in their inventory. Even if it is mostly useless.
 
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Strix454 said:
combined with the idea that air superiority alone is the key to winning.
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To be honest in this situation air superiority is a bit circular. If you get air superiority, almost all the enemy air defenses are dead and you can bomb shit with impunity. You have basically done 90% of the hard work of winning at that point.

Hmm yes to win you must first win
 
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Romeo said:
Japan obliterated Russia's navy in 1905 because of Russia's frozen ports. Russian ships of the Pacific Fleet were trapped in Port Arthur in China when Japan invaded because they couldn't use Vladivostok, their home part, because its port was frozen.

Corruption played a huge in role in preventing Russian ships to be repaired with what money what was left.
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Another reason Japan obliterated Russia's navy in ship-to-ship combat because the Russians hadn't grasped how the radio and electric fire control systems had changed naval warfare.

Prior to those two inventions, each gun turret on a ship had its own observer. You'd fire, your observer would look for the splash, and you'd adjust until you started hitting the enemy. This got harder and harder at long ranges...particularly the kind of ranges that the new weapons of the turn of the century afforded...because it was hard to see the splash, and even harder to be sure which splash was your gunner's when everyone in the fleet is firing.

Russian ships had radios, but they still fought like it was 1850. The Japanese, by contrast, used radio (then just a wireless telegraph) to coordinate actions, and centralized electric fire control systems had the guns of a ship operate in unison, so not only were the splashes in unison, and much bigger, so the guns could to zero in quicker, but when they did zero in, an entire salvo would hit a Russian ship at once. The Japanese also had more accurate rangefinders that allowed them to engage at 6000 yd, while the Russians were limited to 4000 yd.
 
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HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS said:
What I am hearing and reading is avdeevka is encircled completely. One route remains but it's within the line of motors and artillery.
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The main road into the city south of the chemical plant has been cut. What they have left is low quality dirt tracks across fields south of the city. If they evacuate, they can only evacuate in small groups slowly out of the city. Because everything is under direct observation now and any concentration of vehicles or men leaving the city is going to bring down immense fire on it.

As far as I can see looking at the maps, they are concentrating on evacuating the troops in the city center and leaving the others in remote locations in the east and at the airbase to the south to hold their positions until the end.

Whatever they do, the 110th brigade that was in the city is basically wrecked and will need to be completely rebuilt and re-equipped. I think most of their equipment in the city is going to be lost and that they will eventually focus on sneaking very small groups of men out day by day across the fields.
 
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Strix454 said:
Clinton-era US General Wesley Clark has a simple solution by which Ukraine can utterly defeat the Russian Army and throw it back over the 1991 borders. They just need to learn the lessons of D-Day.
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Christ what a tard.

NATO is really fucked, isn’t it?

Surprise the Russians with where the attack is coming from? Which part of 24 hour surveillance everywhere along the front, and satellites covering the rear, did he miss?

“Just use cruise missiles and drones!”

Sure, because the Russian air defenses really have a hard time dealing with those, right?

I’d expect boomer-tard tier advice like that on Reddit, but this guy is a former NATO commander?!
 
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Jump said:
You have it backwards.
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Nope, it's the famous slogan of the Spanish Republican La Pasionaria during the Civil War. @snov would know who she was; she went into exile in Moscow and her son Rubén Ruiz Ibárruri was killed at Stalingrad fighting with the Red Army.

Falangist Spaniards in the Blau Divison fought with the Nazis, and Republican Spaniards fought for the USSR at the Siege of Leningrad and in the Battle of Moscow.

The phrase was originally used by Emiliano Zapata during the Mexican Revolution.
 
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Fapcop said:
Christ what a tard.
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Wesley Clark became known as General Penny Stock after leaving the military because shilling obvious scams was the only work he could find. Not exactly known as a deep thinker.

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-14/wesley-clark-penny-stock-general [Paywalled]

Same article rewritten here: https://www.businessinsider.com/retired-four-star-general-penny-stocks-2015-5
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
Ummm, I didn't think the West was supposed to have ground troops actually fighting in Adveedka? This seems.. odd. Are they preparing the public for some bad casualty/POW news?
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They treat it as some kind of fucking entertainment. Hope those "mercs" would die... along with homojournos.
Sorry for being mati, but that annoys me to no end.
 
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Western media is abloo abloo blooing about a hospital that was bombed, and claiming the training ground hit was Russian psyops...
I hate propoganda and lies regardless of the side.

Can we pls wrap this war up now please?

A little concerned though that this US national security story is going to be used to a) Keep grandpa Biden in power, and b) lead to a formal esclation.
 
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