Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[make_it_so]

I recall seeing a video saying that Ukraine still produced some of it's home produced AFVs with the chassis being that of a T-72.

As with all things Ukraine, no one knows if it's propaganda or the truth.

The T-72 was never produced in Ukraine.

Now the T-64 and T-80 were produced in Ukraine during the Soviet era, and post independence Ukraine did try to produce a variant of the T-80 known as the T-84. However, going by the sources that are available, most of the series production T-84s that did get built were sold for export, with the UAF having a grand total of six in their inventory when the war started. Also, these vehicles were produced at the old Kharkov tank plant, which for several months was under Russian occupation, and more than likely heavily damaged in the subsequent fighting and I'm sure the Russians have made it one of their primary targets for missile strikes in the year and a half since.

If the Ukrainians were able to keep producing AFV's in sizable numbers, they wouldn't need to keep running to NATO countries from more stuff.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Russian flag over the Adveevka stele,

where Zelensky took a selfie a month ago.



Bobr making sure Azov can't rotate out:

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Original TG post, in Russian

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Shouldn't have killed civilians in Belgorod, again.

Well, this doesn't look good for Ukraine. Sounds like he has given up.

Sounds like a thinly veiled threat to me.

 

[Kiwi Farms Lurker]

where Zelensky took a selfie a month ago.

Always a bad omen when this faggot shows up.

 

[Fapcop]

Even if true (I doubt) the difference is that Russia is easily able to replace such losses. Ukraine can't even pass a mobilization bill, is demonstrably out of anti-air ammo and has little to no armor left. They are 100% dependent on handouts and donations.

A “tank loss” usually isn’t a tank loss though.

A tank gets hit. What happens? Often the crew jumps out and try to get the F out of there. Some NAFO faggot sees the abandoned, maybe smoking, tank later and counts it as a loss.

But in reality, engineers show up a few hours later and haul the tank back and repair it.

If the tank is heavily damaged, it may be sent back to the factory to be rebuilt.

Tanks usually aren’t LOST lost. They’re recovered and repaired.

 

[Napoleon III]

Well, this doesn't look good for Ukraine.
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This would be better Rhetoric if Biden was capable of remembering anything.

I recall seeing a video saying that Ukraine still produced some of it's home produced AFVs with the chassis being that of a T-72.

As with all things Ukraine, no one knows if it's propaganda or the truth.

Ukraine has been able to take old rusted out T-72s repair them, and install new optics/electronics. However this only really produces a small amount of tanks at a time. Ukraine can't manufacture a lot of the parts. One of the funny things about this war is that Ukraine got a massive amount of stuff from the USSR but they let it all rust away. Ukraine had something like 6000 tanks in inventory when the USSR fell.

Never doubted agent Zyrsky.

We? It should say YOU are going into a cauldron. Srysky will be just fine in Kiev.

Even if true (I doubt) the difference is that Russia is easily able to replace such losses. Ukraine can't even pass a mobilization bill

That reminds me. https://archive.ph/uPxHF

Defense firm delivers batch of T-80BVM tanks with extra protection to Russian troops -TASS​

MOSCOW, February 14. /TASS/. The Omsk-based Transport Engineering Plant Omsktransmash (part of the Uralvagonzavod defense enterprise within the state tech corporation Rostec) has delivered a batch of T-80BVM tanks with enhanced turret protection to Russian troops, the Uralvagonzavod press office reported on Wednesday.

It takes them several months to change a strategy that is actively failing. Every month of Russian innovation puts it another year or more ahead of the Americans.

There is a very important concept in Manufacturing that is about reducing lead time. The idea is to produce the product ASAP after it is ordered and get it shipped quickly. Part of that is because customers like that but the most important reason is because it allows you to deal with problems much quicker. This is what America's bloated and corrupt DoD acquisition system absolutely fails to accomplish. This might seem small but all the growth and refinement of something can happen way quicker.

A “tank loss” usually isn’t a tank loss though.

OSINT loves to count the same vehicles from different angles too. This is uncontroversial outside of this war. Everyone knows and agrees that Tank losses of the enemy were wildly overestimated in WW2. But war makes it so no one can tell the truth.

(For some reason the Russians are really good at capturing cooks! Every time you see those POW interviews, they’re always just cooks and drivers. Imagine that, a whole army of cooks. Who fires those artillery shells at Donetsk and Belgorod?!)

This is funny because if a lot of the soldiers Russia are fighting are cooks/drivers then it means Ukraine has lost all of its regular combat troops. It makes me laugh when the Ukrainian cope implies worse things than what is probably the truth.

where Zelensky took a selfie a month ago.

Ah the ole Zelensky kiss of death.

 

[WonderWino]

>Brave Zelensky ran away.
<No!
>Bravely ran away away.
<tactical counter-retreat!
>When danger reared it's ugly head,
>He bravely turned his tail and fled.
>Yes, brave Zelensky turned about
>And gallantly he chickened out.
>t-tactical
>Swiftly taking to his feet,
>He beat a very brave retreat.
>Bravest of the brave, Zelensky!

They managed to come up with a term for a retreat even stupider than advancing toward the rear

Tactical counter retreat indeed

 

[Betonhaus]

Well, this doesn't look good for Ukraine. Sounds like he has given up.
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It's more like all of the the money, resources, and credibility absolutely wasted trying to support Ukraine will never be forgotten.

 

[Eternal Gopnik]

Also: Again I don’t want to be too optimistic, but the Russian army took hundreds of thousands of volunteers last year. It takes a good six months to turn volunteers into anything resembling an army. Those volunteers are just starting to be fielded, and Russian manpower will increase over the spring.

That "hundreds of thousands of volunteers" thing last year was just more journo retardation, I remember it well. It was a standard round of new conscript entering their 1-year mandatory service, like they have been every single year for... probably hundreds of years. Some western journo saw an unremarkable report about it while he was furiously dildoing his ass to TASS or wherever and started screeching because none of these media experts and analysts even know what mandatory service is.

 

[Fapcop]

The T-72 was never produced in Ukraine.

Now the T-64 and T-80 were produced in Ukraine during the Soviet era, and post independence Ukraine did try to produce a variant of the T-80 known as the T-84. However, going by the sources that are available, most of the series production T-84s that did get built were sold for export, with the UAF having a grand total of six in their inventory when the war started. Also, these vehicles were produced at the old Kharkov tank plant, which for several months was under Russian occupation, and more than likely heavily damaged in the subsequent fighting and I'm sure the Russians have made it one of their primary targets for missile strikes in the year and a half since.

If the Ukrainians were able to keep producing AFV's in sizable numbers, they wouldn't need to keep running to NATO countries from more stuff.

That "hundreds of thousands of volunteers" thing last year was just more journo retardation, I remember it well. It was a standard round of new conscript entering their 1-year mandatory service, like they have been every single year for... probably hundreds of years. Some western journo saw an unremarkable report about it while he was furiously dildoing his ass to TASS or wherever and started screeching because none of these media experts and analysts even know what mandatory service is.

I was talking about contract volunteers. I could be wrong, but the source is Russian Telegram sources.

The pay is pretty good, and the fact that Russia hasn’t had to do more than a very partial mobilization makes it credible imho that they have signed up relatively high number of contract volunteers.

It’s of course also political. Dead conscripts can result in a war becoming very unpopular like Afghanistan.

Send volunteers with one or three year contracts, and it looks quite different.

But again, it could be erroneous information.

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Lol! Zaluzhny has fallen from grace.

I smell political maneuvering here. A sudden “leak” from his inner circle?

Zaluzhny is still pretty popular both in the army and among the public. Zelensky’s term runs out in the spring (March I think?) and there is no constitutional way of prolonging it.

Wild speculation, but… If Zaluzhny has some kind of putch in mind, this could be him seeding the ground for it.

 

[Corn Syrup Connoisseur]

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[Legato]

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Tactical turning movement. Thats another new one.

 

[Seedling]

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"not significant"
THERE IT IS

 

[SIMIΔN]

(For some reason the Russians are really good at capturing cooks! Every time you see those POW interviews, they’re always just cooks and drivers. Imagine that, a whole army of cooks. Who fires those artillery shells at Donetsk and Belgorod?!)

Halflings vs Orks,
look they are even dressed in Ukrainian colours.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

Someone more autistic and talented than me needs to do a time-lapse of the territorial changes for the 2nd year anniversary. A clear cut view of the land/towns lost and gained for each side.

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

I'm half certain that the only reason the UAF refuses to cede ground is because it looks bad to the average observer when you lose territory, even if that territory was realistically indefensible.

I'm pretty sure it's their own fucking delusions that prevent retreats from being considered. It goes against the principles of Elan and Salami Ukraine.

"Why are you digging a fighting position, Oleksander? That seems defeatist"

 

[Betonhaus]

Someone more autistic and talented than me needs to do a time-lapse of the territorial changes for the 2nd year anniversary. A clear cut view of the land/towns lost and gained for each side.

Not that I'm doing it, but what song do you envision playing during the timelapse? Korobeiniki? This one?

 

[Mav52ri]

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"...Russian capture of Avdiivka would not be operationally significant..."

Fucking kill me, these guys are blowing so much smoke up peoples arses I bet even if the Russians took Kyiv they would somehow spin it as not being operationally significant.

Avdiivka, a city fortified to fuck by the Ukrainians and having resources poured into it ever since the Donbass republics came into existence, how more significant can you get?

 

[Male Idiot]

I asked Bing what it thought.

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It might be pozzed. Every single image includes an American bald eagle. I'm guessing the native headdress is coming from a hidden "+America" prompt that was secretly added.

Chief Snorting Coke!

I don't think intergalactic weapons exist in the 40k universe and they have some stuff that can instantly snuff stars out of existence.

They got intragalactic, the Imperium has Deathwatch Killships, AI operated stealthships from the DAoT that sneak in, drop cyclonic warheads or virus bombs, and shoot out of the system. These are rare, used on alien fortressses planets as a final fuck you.

Arguably the Tyrannids are a biological weapon or began as such. And they are extra-galactic. So I would say it perhaps does. But I know what you mean and no - there are no "intergalactic weapons" in the sense of something you just shoot or launch. Anyway, getting off topic now...

Space marines can do Tactical retreats, which is them falling back out of enemy charge range and shooting enemies from farther away. This is not what the Ukraine is doing. More what the russians did early on at the first counter oinkfensive when they fell back behind minefields and artilleried the spots off out of Leopard tanks. Also known as kite and shoot.

Armies have a really long tail though, so that 1.5 percent would mean an even larger percentage of assault troops. Even if part of those 7000 are mechanics, cooks etc.

(For some reason the Russians are really good at capturing cooks! Every time you see those POW interviews, they’re always just cooks and drivers. Imagine that, a whole army of cooks. Who fires those artillery shells at Donetsk and Belgorod?!)


There aren’t many obstacles till you get to the Dniepr river and the marshes around Kiev.

That river has always been a good divider historically as well. East of the river was Russia, west of the river was Austria-Hungary, Poland etc. At least before recent history.

Could be that cooks and auxiliary personnel surrender easily? Or if the Afu puts its least motivated gang pressed old men in auxiliary roles? This is just autistic speculation.

 

[Eternal Gopnik]

They got intragalactic, the Imperium has Deathwatch Killships, AI operated stealthships from the DAoT that sneak in, drop cyclonic warheads or virus bombs, and shoot out of the system. These are rare, used on alien fortressses planets as a final fuck you.

Inter- means between. Intergalactic means between galaxies, it doesn't mean "really badass". An Intercity train is a train that goes between large cities, not the 30km pile of whatever the fuck that the Russians built in Ukraine recently.

 

[Fapcop]

Could be that cooks and auxiliary personnel surrender easily? Or if the Afu puts its least motivated gang pressed old men in auxiliary roles? This is just autistic speculation.

Well, if you want my opinion, and probably the truth in the vast majority of cases, it’s because they’re terrified of being considered banderite or Nazis, whether warranted or not. The Donetsk people’s republic has convicted some of them to decades of hard labor for killing civilians, looting, etc.

So best to be just a cook who just arrived, and certainly never ever shot against Russian soldiers.