Why do we put so much stock into loli/underaged characters as a direct link to being a pedo?

[WelperHelper99]

Just like playing doom leads to school shootings and smoking weed makes you leave your baby in the oven.

Weed yes. As for games- violent impulses are not as strong as sexual ones.

Not until you stop letting your emotions dictate your behavior, miss.

You're retarded.

I disagree. The criminalization of information starts with something no one wants to defend; then people want to expand it from there, as we see; and eventually we live in Great Britain, where police beat down our doors for mocking trannies.

I don't care because this is the line in the sand. Fuck your pedophile drawings which can be prosecuted already under obscenity. Let me read a few verses from the good book aboutthe subject.

MATTHEW 18:5-7 KJV

And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

I think that's good advice as any. Death to pedophiles.

 

[UERISIMILITUDO]

Weed yes. As for games- violent impulses are not as strong as sexual ones.

You're retarded.

I don't care because this is the line in the sand. Fuck your pedophile drawings which can be prosecuted already under obscenity. Let me read a few verses from the good book aboutthe subject.

MATTHEW 18:5-7 KJV

And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

I think that's good advice as any. Death to pedophiles.

Well, I guess that's that. We'll either eventually reach a society where no information is illegal, or one in which people are hanged and flogged for mocking the sacred cows, whatever they be. Equilibrium between these extremes is temporary and tenuous.

 

[ticktacktoe]

This thread is full of so much degenerate brain rot takes my head hurts. I can not fathom how you could look at someone who is actively looking at pictures of children in sexual situations and be like "but the nuance! Its a picture! They arent real!" Like why would anyone looking at a that in a sexual manner mean anything but creepy shit? Like no one has explained that. People keep acting like when people say "that persons a pedophile" it means "that person actively rapes kids" pedophiles can, in fact, never ever touch a child. But if they have a sexual urge for the concept of children in a sexual manner, that makes them someone with urges of seeing children naked, in sexual situations, like that makes them a pedophile. Acting like "well most people looking at it wouldnt do anything irl" is an excuse im baffled. If a mother fucker is watching ferral furry art they probably are sexually attracted to dogs in some way, even if they never act on it irl. If someone likes watching porn cartoons of someone getting beheaded and getting the wound fucked, they probably have a torture fetish, which is pretty fucked up even if they don't go fucking ripping people open. Like this isnt a "these people are bad because they harm kids!" Situation here. Its a "these people are bad because they normalize the sexualization of children to those who DO harm kids" like for fuck sake.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

This thread is full of so much degenerate brain rot takes my head hurts. I can not fathom how you could look at someone who is actively looking at pictures of children in sexual situations and be like "but the nuance! Its a picture! They arent real!" Like why would anyone looking at a that in a sexual manner mean anything but creepy shit? Like no one has explained that. People keep acting like when people say "that persons a pedophile" it means "that person actively rapes kids" pedophiles can, in fact, never ever touch a child. But if they have a sexual urge for the concept of children in a sexual manner, that makes them someone with urges of seeing children naked, in sexual situations, like that makes them a pedophile. Acting like "well most people looking at it wouldnt do anything irl" is an excuse im baffled. If a mother fucker is watching ferral furry art they probably are sexually attracted to dogs in some way, even if they never act on it irl. If someone likes watching porn cartoons of someone getting beheaded and getting the wound fucked, they probably have a torture fetish, which is pretty fucked up even if they don't go fucking ripping people open. Like this isnt a "these people are bad because they harm kids!" Situation here. Its a "these people are bad because they normalize the sexualization of children to those who DO harm kids" like for fuck sake.

Because there's a specific nuance to the action. I agree if the intent is to look at kids primarily or as I call it "focusing them" then you are correct.

Bolded is where you lose me. Some people randomly search porn and will jerk to anything the picture comes across and aren't doing it on intent more than being a coomer, or what have you. I agree it's abhorrent and degenerate behavior, but I'd argue in the grand scheme most porn is a slippery slope to degeneracy even the tamer stuff.

In regards to the torture thing, you said it yourself, "likes watching" that implies already set up a behavioral pattern of enjoying such porn that you'd be right it is a fetish then, but I'll use my own example a friend once posted a ridiculous picture of woman being pinned down on a table with a black guy licking her eye ball. I don't find it sexy but I will admit I laughed my ass off at how absurd it is. The very first "guro" picture just was stupid. I don't like guro I think it's disturbing but that shit is absurd to believe would lead to people becoming torture fetishes unlike some of the more hardcore crap guro produces.

If the final correlation is correct I agree it is bad, but I think some people go overboard with their connections and correlations myself. I know a guy a moralist who argues making fun of pedophilia leads to normalization of pedophilia. He too believes violence and sex are apples to oranges but it sounds insane to me where this slippery slope belief comes from. I can see the case of loli pictures maybe encouraging some would be pedophiles, but where is the line drawn because how long until people say joking about pedophiles (AKA making light of by jokes) is encouraging it, and if you wish to know where he gets that idea, homosexuality was mocked for years and is now highly accepted is what he argues and although I see a direct similar connection I still think it's coincidence than purposeful outcome.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Well, I guess that's that. We'll either eventually reach a society where no information is illegal, or one in which people are hanged and flogged for mocking the sacred cows, whatever they be. Equilibrium between these extremes is temporary and tenuous.

Just don't cross the line into pedophilia and you won't have issues. It's not hard. Stop jerking off to kids retard.

 

[ticktacktoe]

See, this is an argument i actually find compelling! I think when most people are talking about people who watch lolli/shota they are talking about those who actively search for it, follow those who make it, or make it themselves. I think thats my problem with response here is that people are making the "but its a drawing" argument but not responding to people answers to why that doesnt matter to those who are on the other side. I dont necessarily think the part about homosexuality is the same necessarily because one is based on a religious fear while the other is more about childrens rights which we have pushed hard to exsists. Like we have had the boylove movement of the past and we will always continue to have more in the future, i feel like we much acknowledge though, within this conversation, that you can be a pedophile without acting on the urges but you are still a pedophile. Thats the point i keep seeing people on the other side of this missing.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

See, this is an argument i actually find compelling! I think when most people are talking about people who watch lolli/shota they are talking about those who actively search for it, follow those who make it, or make it themselves. I think thats my problem with response here is that people are making the "but its a drawing" argument but not responding to people answers to why that doesnt matter to those who are on the other side. I dont necessarily think the part about homosexuality is the same necessarily because one is based on a religious fear while the other is more about childrens rights which we have pushed hard to exsists. Like we have had the boylove movement of the past and we will always continue to have more in the future, i feel like we much acknowledge though, within this conversation, that you can be a pedophile without acting on the urges but you are still a pedophile. Thats the point i keep seeing people on the other side of this missing.

No actively searching/following/etc. for it I'd agree has at least pedophiliac undertones. But I'll make an exception to that claim in a minute at the end.

I only agree with a "it's a drawing " argument based on a psychology analysis, keep in mind our institutions are run by pedophiles so that claim may be bunk but from what I've seen of people getting arrested in my own area and on the news most of them had full on CP externals I also add the projection from anti-loli' adherents who ended up being CP watchers on youtube as of late also leads to suspicious conclusions.

In regards to homosexuality although I agree it's different, their basis is jokes about pedophilia makes light of it and leads to normalization, including the comparison to South Park and child like characters. I think it's insane, but I also think saying someone seeing the pics or even rocking out randomly to a pick of loli = instant pedophilia or seeing guro = instant fetish of torture is also absurd. Focusing or being obsessed or a self identified "lolicon" is completely different from just a one off or what have you though.

I agree with your final sentiment that someone can be a pedophile without molesting a child, and am a believer apples don't fall far from the tree due to a guy I know who claimed he kept away from children because his dad was a pedophile (looked at CP) and he sometimes felt he had urges as well.

Time for the exception I mentioned: Someone mentioned Etna, a flat chested "1000 year teen" character from Disgaea. I think hentai fanatics would jerk to her even if she had large chests and "mature" body, I don't think that necessarily makes them pedophiles why the 1000 year argument can be valid, not in all cases but some. It's just people presume she is a "loli" character therefore anyone who would jank to said hentai must be a pedophile because "loli" character. That's where I disagree, because what if that person would jank on per se "Etna" with large boobs and some endowed body? It's a heavily nuance and context based thing though because some will use that argument for plausible deniability and that I don't like. (As in pedophiles will claim good faith sometimes while being dishonest in the claim such as the etna example: Some pedophies will claim they'd like her even if not a "loli character" but are lying. To make it more clear.

 

[Midwest Midwit]

I'd never heard the word 'shortstack' until Vaush used it the other day. Why would pedos want to look at massive boobs?

 

[Neurotypical Mantis]

"it's just a drawing"
a drawing of what

 

[Luke-Warm Tampon Tea]

"it's just a drawing"
a drawing of what

An anime character probably.

 

[WelperHelper99]

An anime character probably.

What kind of anime character?

 

[Luke-Warm Tampon Tea]

What kind of anime character?

A female anime character. You're not being very subtle so lets cut to the chase. Larp like you're writing the law and describe exactly what you think should be prohibited and how you would define material to meet the criteria for prohibition. Is it any petite character? Does the character's in universe age need to be under the AOC? Are shaved pussies in anime now illegal? I'm not being sarcastic or snarky, Legitimiately, I'd be interested in seeing exactly how you would prohibit exactly what you want to prohibit without other content getting caught in the web of a definition that that content doesn't really meet.

 

[WelperHelper99]

A female anime character. You're not being very subtle so lets cut to the chase. Larp like you're writing the law and describe exactly what you think should be prohibited and how you would define material to meet the criteria for prohibition. Is it any petitie character? Does the character's in universe age need to be under the AOC? I'm not being sarcastic or snarky, Legitimiately, I'd be interested in seeing exactly how you would prohibit exactly what you want to prohibit without other content getting caught in the web of a definition that that content doesn't really meet.

I don't need to write the law because it's already written. Under US obscenity laws, Lolicon CAN in fact be tried, and HAS been successfully prosecuted. It's up to a jury to see if it has any "artistic" merit, or if it is nothing but vomit

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

If you only think about CP by just watching lolis, then YOU are the problem. I can literally draw a little "girl" but actually is a maid dragon of space who is 5000 years old. You know why? because its a FUCKING FICTIONAL drawing

You are too emotionally invested to even pretend to be impartial.

this is probably going to get me blown up but if troons arent actually doing anything to hurt us (the usual suspects deserve everything we can throw at them), then I don't think they should be "persecuted"

Except they are, their very ideology and behavior is hurting society, you don't need a knife to your throat to be harmed. They're causing kids to troon out and ruin their lives or kill themselves while forcing society to bend the knee. If that's not harm, nothing is.

The same principle applies to loli, despite it not contributing to as much real life harm as transgenderism; it's something to be banned. I hate that society pretends that objective good and bad don't exist anymore, it's just fundamentally retarded governance.

Kinda funny how the words "racist" , "xenophobe", "sexist" and even "pedophile" are losing meaning thanks to many traumatized idiots who think it is a MUST to protect anime drawings. lol. Calling someone a pedophile for no reason and with no solid evidence should be a crime for defamation.

At least there's some basis for it even if you disagree, unlike with the word "racist", which just means "white person or white sympathizer" at this point.

What if the individual in question works with children? Would you still give him or her the benefit of the doubt?

I'd hope both sides could at least agree that's a red flag. It's like seeing a fat guy at a buffet; he's probably not there just for a diet Coke, and even if he is, we're still right to make the common sense connection that he was in all likelihood there for the buffet.

And btw, you anime tourist, "loli" and "shota" is a weird aesthetic where characters are portrayed as "petite". Thats why they arent necessarily children.

Nobody is complaining about petite characters, they're complaining about child characters. You posted a child character earlier, and no reasonable person would confuse that for a petite young woman, especially with the literal schoolgirl outfit.

Lots of people like "incest" or "rape" roleplay tags in porn. Does that make them criminals?

If you caught your mom watching son/mom incest then you'd have a pretty damn good reason to assume she's interested in that. Maybe she wouldn't actually suck your cock, but you'd be rightly disturbed.

Do you use the same site that I do? Unfortunately, there aren't enough rainbows in the world for this statement.

That makes it sound normal though. Even if there were a lot it'd behoove us to uphold the noble lie that there's not many, lest they grow emboldened and mobilize politically.

Possibly. So what are the implications of that?

Even in most morally hardcore religions, where God knows your every thought, people aren't normally punished merely for being tempted. People are tempted to do horrible things all the time. So are we in thought crime territory now? Do we make an exception for certain types of thoughts because they're so uniquely evil?

If they keep their thoughts to themselves nobody cares or knows but God. They should keep it that way. Some desires shouldn't be allowed to be expressed, artistically or otherwise.

Without fail, if you have loli on your computer, you've probably touched a kid.

Ignoring the contradiction of saying both "without fail" and "probably" about the same subject in the very same sentence, someone could say that about you since you've played through Nekopara, but I don't think you've touched a kid just because of that. In fact, you're an emotional wreck over the notion (which is good).

 

[Luke-Warm Tampon Tea]

I don't need to write the law because it's already written. Under US obscenity laws, Lolicon CAN in fact be tried, and HAS been successfully prosecuted. It's up to a jury to see if it has any "artistic" merit, or if it is nothing but vomit

This is an oppai lolicon. Would this be prosecuted? No. That's why I'm asking you what YOU would want to see prohibited because I want to see how reasonable or unreasonable you are when it comes to drawings.
Do the booba matter? It's still a lolicon according to the category it's placed in; would this be prohibited?
I want to know exactly what you think, because I think that any law that suppresses one thing can then be used to suppress another, just like @UERISIMILITUDO said.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Ignoring the contradiction of saying both "without fail" and "probably" about the same subject in the very same sentence, someone could say that about you since you've played through Nekopara, but I don't think you've touched a kid just because of that. In fact, you're an emotional wreck over the notion (which is good).

Tbf the games are shit. Ive never seen a more resourse intensive VN than these stupid games. I did it strictly for the meme and because I remember YouTubers playing it when I was a kid.

 

[WelperHelper99]

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This is an oppai lolicon. Would this be prosecuted? No. That's why I'm asking you what YOU would want to see prohibited because I want to see how reasonable or unreasonable you are when it comes to drawings.
Do the booba matter? It's still a lolicon according to the category it's placed in; would this be prohibited?
I want to know exactly what you think, because I think that any law that suppresses one thing can then be used to suppress another, just like @UERISIMILITUDO said.

You know exactly what I mean. I don't need to explain the concept of lolicon. Stop cherrypicking you faggot

 

[Left Ass Cheek]

Ask yourself "why?" Why does it have to be a child?

Even if we ignore the fact that the 5000 year old dragon thing is an obvious smokescreen; why does it have to explicitly look like a child?

Lolicons, by definition, indulge in art of children drawn in an anime style that are of a sexual nature to jerk themselves off. Why else would someone produce or seek out explicit loli content if they weren't a pedophile?

The violent video game shit is a non-argument. Looking at loli doesn't make one a child molestor for the same reasons that playing a shooter doesn't make someone into an Elliot Rodger. It's media, you're not performing the deed yourself. You are a pedo if children arouse you, though. You'd also be a fucking lunatic if you constantly fantasized about spraying people down with an AR15 as fervently as pedos fantasize about anime children. Neither is socially acceptable.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Tbf the games are shit. Ive never seen a more resourse intensive VN than these stupid games. I did it strictly for the meme and because I remember YouTubers playing it when I was a kid.

I understand, I'm just making a point.

You'd also be a fucking lunatic if you constantly fantasized about spraying people down with an AR15 as fervently as pedos fantasize about anime children.

What if your political opposition deserves it in Minecraft?

 

[The Last Stand]

Why do people that want to defend loli fall into the fallacy of "well, if you like violent video games, that makes you violent!?!?" Never mind that somebody requested and drawn a child like figure with exaggerated sexual characteristics explicitly for personal arousal. The argument for violent video games can be countered with wanting to experience a power fantasy or historical setpiece. NOT the same thing by a long shot.