General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Faceless Anime Woman]

They are specifically a Hololive/Nijisanji vtuber doxxing website (I don't think they do other companies / indies?).
They are also not particularly good at it; with some questionable sources, and even some stuff taken from here.
The comments section there is especially bad. It makes 4ch looks sane by comparison.

They do indies and other companies beyond Holo/Niji as well, but it's small amount compared to Niji and Holo.

 

[Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus]

They are specifically a Hololive/Nijisanji vtuber doxxing website (I don't think they do other companies / indies?).
They are also not particularly good at it; with some questionable sources, and even some stuff taken from here.
The comments section there is especially bad. It makes 4ch looks sane by comparison.

They've got a couple of others, including Shiki from Prism. I think the rumor is they got deep dicked by Cover and/or Niji at some point (probably whenever they replaced the images with text for those talents) and whatever use the site had before that has been pretty nonexistent since.

 

[Shallow Wave]

I've never heard of Nyfco. Generally when you say "that even doxxxxing website" there's one candidate.

suck to suck try doxxing more grifters, maybe make some trannies kill themselves
theres new sheriff in town and you are getting sent into retirement

 

[GPRIMACADO]

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LINK TO CODY'S POSTS

 

[StevieLasVegas]

Can't stay up to watch Doki's stream to the end due to a flight in the morning, but it's great hearing that giggle.

And EVS has an account here? The fuck?

 

[ChefKiss]

I've never heard of Nyfco. Generally when you say "that even doxxxxing website" there's one candidate.

Nyfco is dominated by the exact type of fat twitter SJW women who cry about this site, while acting a thousand times worse than people here generally do

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

They've got a couple of others, including Shiki from Prism. I think the rumor is they got deep dicked by Cover and/or Niji at some point (probably whenever they replaced the images with text for those talents) and whatever use the site had before that has been pretty nonexistent since.

Aren't there like 50 different alternatives to them?

 

[trashbag1]

Can anyone explain why this faggot tranny is blaming the Kiwi Farms for this retarded filipino's document?

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That's the retard that keeps dickriding for Niji.

What's crazy is that TLDR version is

" That Bitch is craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy" which might not be the narrative you wanna run with

Especially if you wanna appeal to the general public that cares about mental health. Them also using hololive as a comparison doesn't help them.

 

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Best of all they offer their expert services for such a low rate!!!

I can spare some coin. How much? Surely they don't do it... For free?

So you believe she's a liar then? The only way you can reasonably refuse to believe Doki attempted suicide is if you a prepared to think the literal worst about her

Healthy skepticism is a good thing but applying that skepticism unevenly just shows your own biases.

Both of you misinterpreted my post - probably my fault seeing as both of you did. "Just like I believed she didn't attempt suicide". Past tense. I believe it wholeheartedly and have done since she used the words "an attempt".

The fact that Selen/Doki has outright admitted she's got BPD in the past? Once again, unless you really want to think she's a filthy lying liar who liar, there's no reason not to take her words at face value when she claims this.

(Also https://kiwifarmsaaf4t2h7gc3dfc5ojh...threads/virtual-youtubers.69525/post-17739443 but I can't quote this post, because it has no text I guess?)

Oh huh, she literally said it, fair enough. Kinda weird to say that though, does she mean borderline personality disorder like everyone else, or is she a bonehead that saw "BPD" and thought it meant "bipolar disorder"? I could much more easily believe the latter of her, but

I mean, that's no less speculative than the Great Rrat is. Either way, its all speculation, and neither explanation is any less likely than the other.

It's applying a razor though isn't it? They're both equally plausible given the evidence, so picking the one that seems the least retarded is more likely correct. Obviously we're on the farms, so we're exposed to a LOT of clown world, but not everything is clownery.

There was a much better thought out version of my current stance on the Dokibird/Niji subreddit the other day. I'll save you the ickiness of visiting yourself and reproduce it here.

Spoiler: LONG text

Like everyone else, I've been confused and dismayed by Nijisanji's bizarre, self-destructive approach to first breaking the news of Selen's termination and then responding to Dokibird's statements. Fans have thrown about a lot of theories to explain Niji's approach, ranging from plausible-sounding accounts of the facts to feverish rrats straight from the belly of /vt/. I can't claim any special inside knowledge about the specific set of facts of this situation, but I do work in comms for a living and can speak to the general dynamics at play in public disputes between highly visible actors in which one or both parties are subject to NDAs. Based on my professional experience and my knowledge of the statements from Nijisanji and Dokibird, the explanation here seems fairly obvious: Nijisanji misinterpreted the personal account of workplace bullying that Selen sent them shortly before her firing, and they misinterpreted this document hard.
I don't know if Nijisanji missed the mark here because Selen's accompanying documentation for this account was ambiguous, because there was a mistake in translation from one or both law firms, or because EN management adopted a wholly cynical interpretation of the document to try this defense in the court of public opinion, but I'm pretty confident that everything that's happened so far can be explained by this fundamental failure to communicate. If I'm right, the timeline goes something like this:
Selen posts her Last Cup of Coffee MV for perms approval. Management leaves her on read for 37 hours and then fails to get back to her for another 15 hours, so Selen goes ahead and posts the video without final perms check. There's a lot that we don't know about the background and context here. For instance, had management already seen the video prior to this final check? If yes, why hadn't they raised the issue with graduated livers proactively? If no, why hadn't they seen this video during the months-long process of its creation? Did anyone in management give Selen a deadline for perms check that she then blew by? I tend to think that the answers to these questions are not favorable to Nijisanji, since they would have shown evidence that Selen was at fault for the missed Christmas release date during Elira's response stream if such evidence existed. Regardless, the answers to these questions actually do not matter for a breakdown of Niji's thought process throughout the subsequent PR nightmare.
Both management and talent reach out to Selen about her decision to post the MV without full perms, and shortly after this she attempts suicide. Management reaches out to Selen's emergency contact and removes Selen's access to socials, posting a skinwalked explanation for her absence on December 28th. Again, there's a lot that we don't know here. Were other talent/management mocking, cruel or abusive in their communication, or were their words just interpreted as such by Selen? If talent/management were abusive, was this a one-time thing or part of a larger pattern of behavior? Once again, the following version of events makes sense no matter how you answer these questions. The thing that matters here is that in any version of these events, a comms team involved in the decision-making process realizes at this exact moment that they're dealing with a potential PR nightmare. It would be disastrous if the public learned that beloved liver Selen Tatsuki attempted suicide because of harassment or mismanagement in the NijiEN workplace. It's not actually comm's job to manage the frayed relationship with talent, but at this point there are probably discussions about potential responses depending which way the situation develops.
Selen hires legal representation to help mediate her business relationship with Nijisanji, and both parties discuss potential next steps and remedies. Talks between Selen and management about a return to Nijisanji break down, and both sides realize that some sort of split is inevitable by late January. Nijisanji wants Selen to explain that the MV was taken down because of negligence on her part; Selen believes that management is responsible for the failure, and additionally has other grievances about how she's been treated in Nijisanji before, during, and after this inciting event. Per Dokibird's first statement on the matter, she asked to leave Nijisanji on more neutral terms on January 26th; per her second statement on the matter, Nijisanji's legal team was unresponsive after this request.
Frustrated by Nijisanji's unresponsiveness, Selen's lawyer suggests that she send a personal account of her experiences in Nijisanji to Niji's legal team in order to help them understand her grievances. If my understanding of the situation is accurate, this is the exact moment that everything goes to shit. Per Nijisanji's termination notice, we know that Selen has told Nijisanji (through her legal representation) that she intends to speak up about her experiences at Nijisanji if she's terminated: "Moreover, Selen Tatsuki insisted that if the negotiations did not progress, she would proceed to release a statement regarding her claims to the public." Now they're received a document written in a personal tone, alleging all sorts of abusive practices from management and/or talent and filled with potentially sensitive information about other Livers. Per Selen's second statement, she wrote this account to "document my thoughts and history with evidence... during my darkest time mentally" and included in it "privacy information that should not be public." Someone in Nijisanji's legal team comes to the conclusion (cynically or naively, based on ambigious instructions from Selen or based on bad translations from staff-- it does not matter) that this account of Selen's is in fact the statement that she intends to release if she's terminated, and this scrambles all the jets.
Immediately, the comms team goes into full crisis mode and scrambles to get a termination out the door so they can get the first word in. In my experience working comms during times of crisis, "perfect" immediately goes out the window and is replaced by "quick." There's an enormous advantage to being the first actor to explain their version of events on the public, and even very experienced communications teams will make sloppy mistakes in this race to publish. With this context in mind, it's easy to see how Nijisanji screwed up their response to Selen's account of workplace conditions. Remember, Nijisanji's legal team has already been given notice of Selen's intent to publish a statement if negotiations fall apart and (presumably) has already advised her legal representation about potential risks that come with violations of an NDA. Now they see this document and have decided that it's a copy of Selen's statement, so they think that she's decided on publishing this even after having been warned about the consequences of violating an NDA. Comms likely isn't party to any of this communication, but they are given a copy of the statement itself and they're told "legal says Selen intends to publish this."
The comm team pulls up the termination notice they've already written for Selen and they add a bunch of defensive language to get out ahead of the claims in her document. Copy like

ANYCOLOR believes that the claims raised by Selen Tatsuki are in fact referring to situations that arose when she was warned about her breaches of the Activity Rules and attempts to shift the responsibility for these violations, damaging ANYCOLOR and NIJISANJI EN’s image...ANYCOLOR firmly believes that we and the other Livers under our affiliation have not engaged in unjust practices towards Selen Tatsuki

makes no sense unless the communications professional writing it expects the "claims raised by Selen Tatsuki" to be available for public consumption in the near future. This solves the first mystery of "why did Nijisanji allude to bullying from talents when Doki did not:" Niji's legal team understood Selen's private account of her experiences to be a public tell-all account that management then instructed comms to preempt.
Additionally, comms also begins to brace for Selen's statement by preparing to counter specific allegations she raises. At least some of these allegations involve specific Livers, so the comms team (working with legal) shows talent selected portions of Selen's document in order to coach them on a statement about any sensitive information regarding past lives, workplace communications, etc. This explains the second mystery of "why did Elira, Vox, Ike, Millie, Enna, etc. see portions of Selen's document:" comms believed that each of these talent would need to respond to specific allegations about their behavior and began prepping these statements based on legal's failure to understand the nature of Selen's account.
Immediately after Nijisanji's termination notice, Dokibird releases her own prepared statement that does not include sensitive information or specifics but does reveal her suicide attempt and confirms the general claim that she believed NijiEN was an abusive workplace environment. Within an hour of Nijisanji's termination of Selen Tatsuki, Dokibird rises from the ashes and publishes a prepared statement that's obviously been checked by her legal representation. From a PR perspective, it's hard to imagine how this could have gone any worse for Nijisanji. Dokibird's statement begins with "I will not be silenced anymore," reminding the public of the still-recent #Where'sSelen controversy. She brings up bullying but leaves it ambiguous whether talent, management, or both are implicated, making Nijisanji's preemptive mention of talent seem like yet another instance of the company throwing its Livers under the bus. Finally, she brings up the suicide attempt, revealing that Nijisanji covered up this serious tragedy for over a month and puppeted Selen's account to reassure the public.
Seeing the massive shitstorm their failed strategy has caused, legal, talent, management, and comms all begin to flail, leading to the PR disaster that was Elira's stream. Honestly, I can't even begin to hazard a guess at the precise series of events that led to this stream. There are too many unknowns about the specifics of Selen's allegations at this point, too many parties desperate for vindication who might concievably be in a position to dictate how the company should organize its last-ditch efforts at crisis PR. You can read Elira's stream as a disgusting attempt to provoke Selen into revealing her grievances with Nijisanji so they can be litigated in the public square, a talent-initiated response to their real fear of personal information being leaked that management cynically encouraged in order to deflect from their own failures, or any number of other possibilities. The bottom line is that Nijisanji's talking points do not update to reflect the new terrain of the public dispute. They continue to treat Doki as a walking, talking brand risk despite her clear interest in just moving on from the controversy, and this just creates a whole new set of fan grievances and lurid theories of conspiracies and cliques.
Not yet understanding how Niji has misinterpreted her account of workplace conditions, Doki fires back on twitter explaining her understanding that this document was private. At this point Doki responds to the ill-conceived Elira stream, rightfully conveying her shock that this document was shared with other Livers. She also speculates if talent was given access to her medical records, igniting yet another round of accusations and attacks.
Legal is once again called in to assess this accusation of leaking private HR document/medical records, which would be incredibly damaging if true, and at this point someone finally realizes the scope of the miscommunication. Speaking as a comms professional, I am almost certain that the next statement we get from Nijisanji was written by a lawyer covered in flop-sweat and covering their own ass rather than an in-house comms team. The statement alleges that "In order to check the validity of Selen and her lawyer's claim, ANYCOLOR Inc. shared only necessary parts of the information sent by her lawyer with our Livers and led an internal investigation," ignoring the fact that sharing any of the information in this account of workplace abuses would be in violation of Selen's request for that document to remain private and ignoring the fact that Livers would not necessarily need to be informed of these specific allegations in order for Nijisanji to investigate the validity of Selen's claim. They also write that they have not given other talent any of "the specific information and documents which Selen’s lawyer requested that we do not share with our Livers," which fluent readers of legalese will notice is different from "the specific information and documents which Selen's lawyer requested we keep private from all non-legal department parties."
This statement ends with a "we investigated ourselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing"-type reassurance, but reading between the lines it's clear that something has broken down with Nijisanji's handling of private documents. Nijisanji's legal team has invented a new reason for why talent was shown this document to cover for their initial misunderstanding of what the document actually was, but the writing is still on the wall for anyone paying attention.
Around the same time as this statement, Doki walks back the claim of leaked medical information but reiterates that some of her information was improperly shared. She once again explains that she just wanted to move on from this chapter of her life, and by this point both legal and comms understand that there's a possibility to de-escalate the situation. Someone from Nijisanji's side makes an overture to Doki's lawyer, and at last the two parties begin to address the underlying misunderstanding.
Finally, Doki posts a final statement that explains the pertinent document, alludes to some unspecified miscommunication without admitting any specific failure on her part, reiterates her intention to keep private information private, and calls for all fans to cease harassing talents. More than anything else discussed so far, it's this final statement that has me convinced this whole disaster started with legal's failure to properly understand Selen's account of her experience. Doki's final tweet reads like a carefully crafted statement that has been vetted by both parties in order to put the controversy to rest. Under the hood this statement does a lot of things all at once, and it's worth unpacking them all to understand the various concerns that are being addressed.

• Doki rebuts the specific claims that Elira, Ike, and Vox made towards her, explaining that the recording was a one-time remnant of a pre-event mic check and that the sensitive information was always intended to remain private. This allows her to get the last word in on these allegations, avoiding any situation where fans might be left with the impression that Selen ever intended to leak this information.
• Doki acknowledges the potential for information to be lost in translation, thus lending support to the idea that both party's lawyers failed to understand one another. Explaining how things ever got to this point, Dokibird writes "All of the communication was done between lawyers in Japanese. Things are not black and white and everything gets more complicated and muddled when lawyers are involved in a different country. When things are conveyed to multiple parties through different degrees of communication, everything turns into different narratives and different translations." This copy explicitly alludes to the general shape of the error without delving into specifics or pointing fingers, letting Doki explain the series of miscommunications without throwing anyone under the bus.
• Importantly for any specific parties in Nijisanji who may have misinterpreted Selen's document, Doki gives a fig leaf justification for Nijisanji's terrible response by explaining her intentions for public comment have changed over time. Doki writes that "Everything I post to the public about the situation was a response. If it was a month ago, it will have been different as I was angry but I was also very alone in my head. But it's not a month ago and I've accepted it." One month before Doki's final statement would be around January 14th, before Selen requested to leave Nijisanji. If she indicated that she planned to respond to a termination with a public statement around this time, her words here give anyone responsible for this mishap a fig leaf excuse that they can point to in order to explain what happened. Whoever is responsible for this mishap is almost certainly losing their job, but these few sentences give any responsible parties the thinnest possible sliver of justification they can cite to management. Anyone who sees the boulder of layoffs rolling downhill in their direction might plausibly push for it to be included.
• Doki's statement ends with a request for fans not to harass the Livers and a straightforward explanation of her intentions to keep these matters private. NijiEN's credibility is on fire by now, and Doki is the only party in this dispute who fans and the outside onlookers might plausibly listen to. She's always been very clear that fans should not harass talent, but ending on this point one last time is crucial for Niji if they want to start putting out the fires. Doki has also been fairly explicit about her intentions to keep moving forwards, but her comments that "For those who wish to see receipts or documents or anything else, hoping I will reveal them, I'm sorry but these are the things that should be private and if needed, between lawyers" is the most explicit version of this message thus far. By writing this Doki has effectively demonstrated to both her fans and Nijisanji itself that she does not intend to leak sensitive information. This single sentence conclusively address the fears that prompted Nijisanji to over-react and provides a commitment that Niji can hold against Doki in the court of public opinion if she decides to provide reciepts while also letting her twist the knife one last time by implicitly blaming Niji for their improper handling of private materials. This sentence is very cleverly written and manages to convey all these ideas in a very concise way, and whoever wrote it 100% knew what they were doing.
• Finally, and most importantly, this statement was translated into Japanese. If everything I've laid out so far wasn't enough, this last detail convinces me that Doki's most recent statement was a collaboratively-edited attempt at de-escalation. If I'm right that Nijisanji was somehow involved in vetting this final statement, it makes sense that they'd want it translated for JP-only staff and shareholders/board members to read. Remember, Doki does not speak fluent Japanese herself, so someone was either hired to translate this statement or provided the service free of charge. It's plausible that one of Doki's many bilingual friends in the vtubing world offered to step in to clear up any misunderstandings, but it seems more likely to me that someone in Nijisanji either translated the document in-house or paid for the document to be translated by an outside contractor (probably more advisable in light of everything that's happened so far). Going this route allows internal Nijisanji staff and stakeholders to easily assess how this situation is being resolved while also giving Doki a chance to explain herself to the JP-only audience who has largely been unsympathetic to her situation.

If I'm right, what should we expect to see next? Assuming everything I've laid out thus far is more or less accurate, Nijisanji now has two options for their path forwards. The first is a long period of silence from EN Livers, followed by a gradual ramp-up of streaming and a total cone of silence around the subject of Selen and her termination going forwards. In this version of a PR strategy Nijisanji would pivot from their misguided attacks and attempt to just memory hole these events, counting on the internet's short attention span to eventually take the heat off their talent and hoping that enough fans stick around to keep the EN branch financially viable. The second approach Nijisanji might take is one more final statement explaining the failure to communicate in general terms, apologizing profusely to Selen and promising that those responsible have been fired out a cannon into the sun in order to take some heat off the talent and the rest of management.
In my experience working with public-facing companies I've found that the C-Suite is (unfortunately) often loath to fully explain fuck-ups even after they've implemented fixes, since the same details that might lead a member of the public to forgive will also lead a shareholder to lose confidence in the stock. Whether I'm right about this series of events or not, my hope is that Nijisanji makes the necessary changes to turn the ship around and then offers the public as much transparency as they reasonably can in order to dispel the cloud hanging over the remaining talent. But walking this path would require them to make damaging admissions about profound failures while also collaborating with Doki in order to ensure her wish to move forwards is honored, and all these difficulties make me believe that a total memory-holing of this disaster is more likely.
Final thoughts: Reduced down to its essence, the basic task of a comms team is to understand an issue of interest, analyze the public's view of that issue in real time, and craft messages that ultimately move the public's view in the client's desired direction. If the version of events I've laid out here is more or less accurate, Nijisanji's PR strategy failed because they managed to screw up each of these three tasks. Nijisanji's comms team may have gotten off on the wrong foot because they were given bad information about the issue of interest from legal, but their subsequent failures to adjust their strategy in response to Dokibird's statements and the public's speculation are additional black marks in their own right separate from this original mistake.
All of these communications mishaps are also separate from the failures which occurred in the sphere of talent management, where EN managers failed to support and protect their most popular female streamer so badly that she attempted suicide and then hired legal representation to negotiate an exit from the company. My point in analyzing the communications dimension of this debacle is not to apologize for this mismanagement of talent but rather to explain how a bad PR response turned an intrinsically-bad piece of news for the company into a catastrophic scandal that has jeopardized the whole branch. Ironically, it might be fortunate for us that Nijisanji's comms approach missed the mark this badly, since a more competent communications strategy might have papered over these underlying problems and allowed the underlying mismanagement of talent to continue. My hope is that this catastrophe leads NijiEN's senior leadership to take a look in the mirror and make real changes to improve talent relations, comms, and translation services, but based on the moves we've seen thus far I can't say that I'm optimistic.

It's a very well-measured "nothing is black & white" reading of the situation, TL;DR: read the bolded bits.

Speaking of Doki, she's currently having a collab with fellow ex-niggersanji talent, Yugo

Is Nugo also playing a guy or did she get over that phase?

 

[electronic elephant]

Hololive is okay, but from what I understand, they'll work you to death and will easily bend the knee to the commies in China if someone even catches wind of an offense to their bullshit.

The speculation is that Hololive talents have mandatory streaming hours in their first year contracts, but subsequent years are much more lax and the talents are basically allowed to do as much or as little as they want as long as they come back every so often to shill merch. (As evidenced by the way talents' schedules drop off after the first year, with some like Gura and Ayame being known for not streaming).

Here's a timestamp of Kiara talking about how she works a lot in Holo but it's by her own choice because working harder directly results in more income.

The idea that Hololive would bend the knee to China seems odd since they infamously axed their chinese branch in part because the chinese fans tried to pressure Cover into firing Coco and Haachama.

 

[Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus]

Aren't there like 50 different alternatives to them?

Them being non-Cover/Niji entries? Probably, I just know offhand there's a Shiki entry of her as a gender special looking creature. They're all in Japanese and names I don't recognize though so 50/50 if they're indie/other companies or one of Niji's five thousand strong army. I'd assume they're not Niji because of the image thing. Entries used to look like this https://web.archive.org/web/20220625170233/https://nyfco.org/ which I'd guess was official art and is now text instead, but they've also spent the last two weeks burning millions on what should've been an easily justified termination so they might just be retarded.

Is Nugo also playing a guy or did she get over that phase?

Seems to be some kind of gender special creature still. Doki has been using they/them mostly but did say she and then correct to he at least once. Whatever she is now she's at least been more entertaining in this collab than the ones when she was Yugo.

 

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Seems to be some kind of gender special creature still.

Thank you.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Them being non-Cover/Niji entries? Probably, I just know offhand there's a Shiki entry of her as a gender special looking creature. They're all in Japanese and names I don't recognize though so 50/50 if they're indie/other companies or one of Niji's five thousand strong army. I'd assume they're not Niji because of the image thing. Entries used to look like this https://web.archive.org/web/20220625170233/https://nyfco.org/ which I'd guess was official art and is now text instead, but they've also spent the last two weeks burning millions on what should've been an easily justified termination so they might just be retarded.

I mean aren't there 50 alternative sites to using Nyfco as a dox site. It would seem kind of weird to target them specifically if there are plenty of other sites that post the same info. Maybe because their Japanese and thus easier to get to.

 

[trashbag1]

Uh oh, Lawtuber Legal Mindset is on the case and will cover Nijisanji's legal nightmare sometime tonight. Hopefully he doesn't pull a Cuckieta and recommend a fat warhammer larping faggot to Doki.

Watched a bit and they agree that Niji fucked up really bad. The stream the three may be used against them in court. That would be a landslide of doxxing.

E: Interestingly (or not), her BPD may be put under the microscope.

 

[Maniacal Foreigner]

Seems to be some kind of gender special creature still. Doki has been using they/them mostly but did say she and then correct to he at least once. Whatever she is now she's at least been more entertaining in this collab than the ones when she was Yugo.

Huh, this whole time I thought Yugo was a tranny and not a pooner.

 

[Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus]

I mean aren't there 50 alternative sites to using Nyfco as a dox site. It would seem kind of weird to target them specifically if there are plenty of other sites that post the same info. Maybe because their Japanese and thus easier to get to.

Ah, yeah I think it's a case of them all being Japanese. Might be misremembering but I seem to remember Cover and Anycolor announced their joint effort to against slander/defamation and nyfco went down shortly afterwards for a bit. They've got this in that release as well:

Note: From October 2022 to November 2022, we have worked together to negotiate with the operators
of certain, so-called “summary sites” that we have determined to have posted information that
tarnishes the reputation or trust of our affiliated talents and virtual livers. We are moving towards
entering into a settlement agreement with such operators that will take the form of having certain
conditions to ensure that the rights of affiliated talents and virtual livers cannot be infringed and that
any acts to assist with defamation and the like will no longer occur.

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Huh, this whole time I thought Yugo was a tranny and not a pooner.

As far as I know she's that meme image of the tomboy being converted to globohomo. This is her at a concert

 

[TheMonkeyMan]

A short VN starring Shiori just came out: https://shiorinovella.itch.io/shiorivisualnovella

 

[Señora Airi]

If the same thing happened with Holo or even a smaller corpo like Phase they'd get shit on too.

From what is said, the first year of Phase Connect was a shitshow, to the point all the 1st gen people tried to start a coup. The difference between that and Niji though, is that, not only did Sakana talk with said gen people, he hired competent managers and became less of a micromanager. In other words, did smart business moves.

Nyfco is dominated by the exact type of fat twitter SJW women who cry about this site, while acting a thousand times worse than people here generally do

Soooo.....most modern social media sites then?

 

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Huh, this whole time I thought Yugo was a tranny and not a pooner.

Yugo the character was an androgynous man, referred to as "he" by his colleagues, and debuting in an all-male gen. (I personally have no more problem with this than I do Tamaki pretending she's a boy, or Zen pretending he's a girl. The whole point of VTubing is the ability to be something you're not).

Yugo's voice actor is a woman that was (at least at the time) not on any sort of hormone therapies or mastectomies that the brain-damaged West would have thrust upon her in an instant. I got the impression she was just a normal chick who wasn't into the hypersexualization of society as it currently is, and didn't realize that that's ok - she doesn't need to cast off her womanhood to escape it.

 

[Hff201]

Definately. Nijisanji taking L-s is an old meme. Hololive also has a not so good rep, though not as bad as Niji.

VShojo and Phase Connect sounds better, from a talent perspective. I get the feeling that the 2 big japanese ones are just older and more common, but actually offer a less optimal working environment. Any big names I missed? I hear something like Mythic but no idea what they do.

Hololive and Nijisanji established their English branches at the right time, after international vtubing had started building momentum but before too many other startups got comfortable - all while carrying the brand names over from their Japanese branches. This, at the time, gave them one of the most valuable things you could offer an up-and-coming streamer: a pre-existing audience. Sure, you have to deal with Japanese corporate bureaucracy, but for a lot of people it's worth it if you're guaranteed tens of thousands of viewers on your debut and a comfortable livelihood after.

The difference between the two these days is that Hololive has held on to this position while Nijisanji hasn't, and a huge part of that is because Hololive space out their debuts while Niji pump out new waves of talents far too often. A new Hololive generation is a big deal - the Advent girls were able to draw in a crowd immediately because it'd been about two years since Council debuted at that point and people were ready for some fresh faces; while Nijisanji debuting a new wave every few months or so makes it much less of an event, and frankly despite following the VTuber community on here, TVA, /vt/, and Twitter, I couldn't name anyone from the recent waves except for maybe Vivi(?) because a few people on TVA talk about her sometimes. The numbers suggest this is a common sentiment, since every now and then I'll check on Holodex and I'll see a Niji EN talent I don't recognise streaming to about 300 people.

Essentially given Nijisanji have diluted their brand name from overexposure, joining the company nowadays just leaves you with all of the Japanese corpo autism but none of the benefits.

I've never heard of Nyfco. Generally when you say "that even doxxxxing website" there's one candidate.

Nyfco/Iketog is a Japanese site that compiles VTubers' "dox" (usually just consisting of other accounts they operate outside of their VTuber persona, irl photos of them, and their relationship status) which in itself wouldn't be a problem... except each page has a comments' section, consisting of the most schizophrenic motherfuckers you will ever see in your life. Imagine the stereotypical idol fan's negative traits, and multiply it by a hundred. These people will find out the cute cartoon lady they like has a boyfriend irl, and will respond calmly and rationally by lashing out at them for being whores, threatening to rape them, and continuing to sulk about it for upwards of two years straight - and that's before you even get to the unapologetically depraved individuals that are seemingly kept around like furniture and humoured by the rest of the community.

I just checked the entry for Nanashi Mumei, an English-speaking safe-for-work vtuber mostly known for her singing, art, and gaming streams, and within the last two pages of comments there is one guy talking about drinking her piss and another seemingly Vaushposting about horses.