"Enjoy." couldn't be anymore vague and reductive if you tried. "Masturbate to" is the quiet part, for the people at home.
I'm not even entertaining the 6 gorillion year old loli dragon defense, because that is a cop-out and is pointless. If we ignore the dragons that are really 10000 years old does your answer change?
I know you did, which is what I said before. Do I seem mad at all to you? You probably think I'm mad because you told me to kill myself because I think murder is worse than rape or whatever, but I assure you I don't give a shit.
No. The chick from Evangelion is like 15 and she's obviously not a loli on account of her proportions. Jotaro is like 16 years old and is built like a roided adult, his age doesn't somehow render him a shota. The canon age thing is another example of needless hair splitting. They're underage by the standards of where I live, but they're categorically not loli/shota
???? Bro you gonna have to be a bit more specific than that.
Well this entire page is acting like it. Thanks jackass.
Which is interesting, because my definition of what I thought loli was literally anyone under the age of consent in the glorious U S of A. is that specifically only for nine year olds or something?
In his defense, a game can have content you overlook to get through it and to the good parts, especially if you're pirating it like he did.
I barely remember myself, you were sperging in defense of feminism or something. Point is, I'm not mad about anything and that's projection.
It may come as a surprise to you that I can't control other people.
The problem I have every time arguments come up is this is plausible deniability you are operating under the assumption of good faith of your claims how do we know they are good faith? Note: I'm not claiming you are lying, but you can see how the angle can be played that you purposely played a game to look at such scenes. I believe you but that doesn't change the optics.
Incorrect. Recent Persona 3 controversy's show even characters that look like young adults can still fall under the loli umbrella, and are considered "loli-bait if so." People can't have it both ways, The problem is with the arguments dismissing age, then you have to quantify legal age characters and characters of a specific look under loli. Otherwise a pedo could justify lusting after a 15 year old who is "well developed."
Most people don't consider finding someone just barely under the legal age attractive as pedophilia but merely something they shouldn't vocalize or express. Jailbait exists as a phrase because of this. Calling them lolis is a gross misapplication of the word, though I don't think it should be used in the first place because we're speaking fucking English. You don't call these people pedos. You just look at them weirdly and tell them to back off or keep it to themselves. They're too young. And if they do act on it, they're sex offenders. It's one of those things we have yet to properly define. This is where Romeo and Juliet laws come in for those actually in that age range yet are legal adults. Ephebophilia and hebephilia exist but aren't known to most people because the most shocking and noticeable term is pedophilia for obvious reasons.
you really have to consider mental maturity as well. The reason age of consent laws even exist is to protect children whose decision making processes are not developed. Which is obviously valid and worth pursuing mind you, but it's not like the actual number matters, it's to make the baseline in which to prosecute people. And of course at some point it's just despicable no matter what. I was referring to teenagers, and not literal children. Just want to make that clear as i thought it was a given.
I don't remember A loli or loli-bait in Persona 3 but there was a shota and that was an example of pedoshit since you could romance him. Didn't play the remake.
IMO, that is clearly an adult-bodied woman. I would’ve guessed she was in her 20s without any additional context. I’m not going to pigeonhole anyone who faps to her as a pedophile.
I mean judge on your own. 98% of the game you can't even see her wrists.
I'm not acting like she was 5. I'm acting like you pirated a game you knew all about before playing which is why you decided to play it, and the content of that game, whether you chose to mash your mouse to get past it or not, contained depictions of characters who are described as being under age which by the very definitions you set is fucking worse. A physically 15 and physically 12 year old character with literally the "900000 years old because magic" excuse; and you're the one screaming at people to kill themselves. Dude, you knew all this before you pirated the game. There's no way you couldn't have, and if you DIDN'T know this before, a reasonable person who genuinely holds the beliefs you hold would have turned it off and deleted it instead of mouse-mashing through the sex scenes.
Personally there's a term for it but most people when talking of said term are just called pedophiles or pedophile lite, and although I wouldn't call for instance the MC of Persona 3 a loli, or imply the teacher he almost tricked into a relationship as pedophilia in the west many are arguing that. If two people are of near equal age but when it comes to a 17 MC with a ~25-30 teacher a lot of people are calling it grooming and pedophilia behavior. I don't necessarily agree but understand where they are coming in, imagine it was a 30 year old male teacher getting around a 17 year old girl. The reactions would be obvious whether in anime circles or real life.
I don't disagree. However the lens of "pedophilia = loli shit" is very wide, and people are always trying to make exceptions except the ones they want which is why I joined this topic in the first place, because it always falls that way. People making exceptions, or broad generalizations, or nuances.
This distinction is exactly why my first post in this thread pointed out associating pedo, "I find literal children attractive," shit with underage in general is conflating two entirely different things really. This is how actual pedophiles try to sneak by. "I'm not a babyraper, I'm a minor-attracted person."
It's an incredibly uncomfortable topic due to social norms enforcing that you should not be in sexual relations with not-adults whatsoever no matter how close they are to that number, yes. They're in place for good reasons though. The matter of teacher-student romance offending people based off the sexes of either is another entirely from this.
Although it's not necessarily loli, people saw it directly as grooming/pedophilia which falls under a similar umbrella. I know there's a distinction but it's very slight. I'm talking about people freaking out over the MC with the teacher as mentioned.
I don't instantly disagree, but merely think yelling pedophilia is a little off the mark and broadening the usage, just as previous implications have done. It's more because teacher's are supposed to not engage with students in any such manner in the first place, teaching integrity and rules aginst it used to be pretty common unless that's changed in western countries (social norms of course)
