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But who cares if he hasn't fucked any disabled kids? His entire web presence has been dedicated to normalizing himself fucking disabled kids. He would if he could.
Horrorcow Murray Root / Lysik'an / Grimau / Ancient Guardian - Patriarch of the Crazy Autistic Fairy Headmate Family
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But who cares if he hasn't fucked any disabled kids? His entire web presence has been dedicated to normalizing himself fucking disabled kids. He would if he could.
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Fucking disabled adults who look and, to varying degrees, act like children. Still creepy, definitely morally questionable, but not illegal.
Me, personally, I subscribe to the idea that if somebody isn't actually creeping on kids for real, they can be as creepy a fucker as they want among other adults who are into it and that's fine. I certainly don't blame you for finding it distasteful. A lot of this shit is totally skeevy. I wouldn't want to spend the night at the dude's house or let him buy me a drink, or even just be alone in a room with him. But better for him to be a creeper creepin' to himself or to other adults with his "but they're really 18!" characters than to be creeping on actual children in real life.
If we find out that he has for sure been sexually harassing people or soliciting minors then all of my sympathy goes out the window. Until then he's just a sketchy sex weirdo who's only hurting people by lying to them about his imaginary piss goblin commune.
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But cmon, the ONLY reason his imaginary harem fits into those guidelines is exactly that- because it's morally questionable, but not technically pedophilia. If I'm not going to cut a loli fetishist slack because 'she's actually a 1000-year-old witch,' I'm not gonna look the other way for a 60-year-old who fantasizes at length about fucking someone that looks and acts like a disabled child, but is 'a 26-year-old woman for reals.'
There's no way that's the default state of his fantasy, Turner Syndrome is probably just the qualifier he's added to it to make it acceptable to the communities he spends time in. If he was actively seeking help or trying to shake his pedophilia I might be sympathetic, but he's dedicated so much time and thought to making it okay that I can't see him as anything but a danger.
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ImpossibleMongoose
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I think another part is that in this case, the opinions and advice of a 30-something autistic woman carry more weight than the opinions and advice of a 60 year old autistic man. Let's be honest. On the internet, particularly places like Tumblr and Kintsugi, an old guy who talks about fucking a woman who looks like a kid is probably going to get harassed out of the community.
I've read a lot of Lissa's Tumblr, and there's a lot of really interesting, useful information on there. There's also a lot of people going "Wow, hey, I'm glad I'm not the only one" in response to stuff that Lissa has either posted or reblogged, and overall, it seems like the existence of Lissa makes the internet a nicer place for a lot of people (or at least doesn't make it worse). I think if Murray were writing that stuff as himself though, he would be ignored and ostracized by many people. Tumblr culture can be just as toxic as the farms, albeit in different ways.
To be clear, I give exactly zero fucks if Lissa is really Murray. I was drawn into this thread because it sounded like there might be a creepy old dude abusing kids. Now that it seems to be a potentially creepy old dude in consenting and possibly imaginary relationships, I'm just in it for the puzzle, because I'm a nosy parker who likes knowing everything about everyone.
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I lean toward zero fucks myself but the fact that people are responding positively to Lissa as that character relates to them gives me pause. People with autism are already at a disadvantage and a cretin like Murray shouldn't be inveigling his way into their lives via fake personae. A damaged person or a person who is wildly aneurotypical is going to have a really hard time if they find themselves relating and finding commonality with a person who proves to be a fetish stand-in for a gross old man. But even as I type this I feel like I'm concern trolling. I may be but mostly I don't want Murray to think that when people finally turn on him that he can persuade them that he was doing a good thing because look at all the people he helped.
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Doesn't matter. Once Murray is finally exposed, it doesn't matter how long the ruse was or how he helped anyone in the past, he'll be a pariah. (For a similar example, see the case of Kaycee Swenson)
At that point there's nothing left for Murray but to shitpost on the Farms, and to join fellow pedos mikemikev and James T. Mitchell Jr. on the Highest Negative Ratings list.
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Someone's been weening:
Some responses from Kintsugi members to various posts from here. There's a lot of them. There are more, but I can't bother screencapping them all.
Some responses from Kintsugi members to various posts from here. There's a lot of them. There are more, but I can't bother screencapping them all.
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Weens need to knock it the fuck off, all it does is feed the persecution complex.
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Yeah, that is true. And they'd have every right to be hurt by that. But if Murray thinks he's protecting their feelings by dragging this out, he's only making this worse. Every post digs the hole a little bit deeper, but if he comes clean, he'd get the full force of their wrath all at once. It's a catch-22.
So, we're wrong, but it also doesn't matter if we're right, because they totally don't care and on the internet reality is subjective anyway.
Okay. But none of them answered my main question: if it turns out that Lissa is not real, and Murray is lying to you, would you forgive him for it? Would you still like him? If he copped to it right now, and told you that everything was a lie, would you be cool with that?
This isn't about ableism here. I could totally buy a nonverbal autistic woman that was a coding savant. I could buy her being articulate and eloquent through text. All of these have a real-world precedent and have been documented. What I cannot buy is her being able to savagely beat a dude for touching her and suffer no repercussions for it. I cannot buy that a company would make their workers sign away their rights just to accommodate a single person. I cannot buy that a company would be okay with this savant shitting and pissing on the floors of their workspace because she's just that good. That goes far beyond what would be considered reasonable accommodations for the disabled. If the accommodations are infringing upon the rights of other workers to the point where they cannot retaliate after suffering grievous bodily harm at the hands of one of their co-workers, then that is bullshit and I cannot be expected to swallow that without question. That part is the fantasy element that you want to believe. You want to believe, whether for yourself or for others, that some company would be so compassionate to the disabled that they would bend over backwards to cater to someone who would be an absolute fucking nightmare to employ. Really, at the end of the day, what sacrifices is Lissa making for her co-workers to accommodate them? What behavior is she trying to reign in to be considerate of the fact that she is part of a team and should be expected to respect her fellow co-workers? Apparently she's able to just do whatever the fuck she wants, provided she gets some coding done. The idea that a free spirit autistic woman could just be allowed to do this shit and the normies just have to fucking deal with it is the sort of fantasy that thousands of Tumblr bloggers so desperately want for themselves to be able to do, but they won't get it. They don't want to meet halfway. They just want everything to cater to them. Wouldn't everything be so great if everybody was 100% considerate of the things I feel and what bothers me, and I never have to do anything I don't want to do ever? That's the fantasy Lissa fulfills, because that's what she gets to do, and anybody in her world that challenges that is rightfully (in her mind) punished, usually on the spot.
So I guess that leads to another question: How many stories has Lissa told where somebody does something she doesn't like and she's told that she has to just deal with it, instead of having a meltdown until she gets what she wants? How many times has she told a story and somebody told her that she's being unreasonable, and she's not the only person in the world that's important, and she has to take a deep breath and do something that she doesn't want to do that's thoughtful of other people?
I don't give a shit if you think I sound like Batman or a therapist from a movie or whatever. You can make fun of me for my tone all you want. Not like you'd be the first to make fun of me for trying to level with you because you think I'm beneath you somehow, and just ignore me so you can keep telling yourself the same bullshit over and over without having to think critically at all. I was raised by somebody like that. I'm used to it. But while you're trying to convince us that you totally don't take any of this serious, and talking down to me like I'm just some know-nothing idiot, I'm watching you guys flounder in your own denial and contradict yourselves because we're asking questions that are making you uncomfortable and you do not like it.
So again: if Lissa isn't real, and Murray is lying to you about all of this, how would that make you feel?
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Sounds like at least one of them has more or less admitted that Lissa isn't real but just doesn't care, yet apparently cares enough to attack KF again. Lissa's whiteknights are the gift that keeps on giving, accusing us of trolling and giving the whole passive-aggressive "Why don't you come over HERE and say it" schtick, refusing to accept the reality that their "friend" is fake because that's simply "patently stupid", etc. etc.
I don't want to bait or ween them (because like Potato said, it just feeds their persecution complex) but damn is it low-hanging fruit.
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But how do you get a lolcow up to market weight without feeding it?
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Okay, so here's the thing: finding someone legally incompetent is a lot harder than Murray seems to think it is. While I have absolutely no problem buying that the eldritch abomination that is Baby would be found incompetent and would need a legal guardian, I don't think Lissa actually could be. Yeah, so she's an ever-pissing nudist nightmare, but simply being nonverbal and finding it hard to negotiate social situations does not render you incapable of making your own decisions about your money or your health, which is what a guardianship would take away from you.
The endless protestations that Lissa looks like a nubile loli fantasy, but is totally 400 years old and has the ability to reason to match, are exactly why it would be very difficult for her to qualify for legal guardianship. Declaring someone incompetent isn't something that's done lightly. Competency is also not the same thing as independence: you can need a round-the-clock carer and be legally competent. The fact that Lissa understands her own needs and desires and can articulate them, albeit non-verbally, mean she's not incompetent.
Here's a situation I actually saw play out: an adult with moderate learning difficulties, who is dependent on the care of her mother, is found to have a serious chronic illness. This woman's condition means she will need regular hospital treatment, and if she refuses that treatment she will very quickly sicken and die. The woman finds the treatment very unpleasant and traumatic, and decides she does not want to continue it. It is explained to her that if she does not have this treatment, her illness will kill her. She still refuses to go ahead.
This woman, who was considerably less articulate and independent than Lissa is portrayed as being, and who had considerably more to lose, was still found to be legally competent. She continued to refuse treatment, and she died very shortly afterward.
Fuck you and your sex goblins, Murray. You have no idea what you're fucking talking about.
The endless protestations that Lissa looks like a nubile loli fantasy, but is totally 400 years old and has the ability to reason to match, are exactly why it would be very difficult for her to qualify for legal guardianship. Declaring someone incompetent isn't something that's done lightly. Competency is also not the same thing as independence: you can need a round-the-clock carer and be legally competent. The fact that Lissa understands her own needs and desires and can articulate them, albeit non-verbally, mean she's not incompetent.
Here's a situation I actually saw play out: an adult with moderate learning difficulties, who is dependent on the care of her mother, is found to have a serious chronic illness. This woman's condition means she will need regular hospital treatment, and if she refuses that treatment she will very quickly sicken and die. The woman finds the treatment very unpleasant and traumatic, and decides she does not want to continue it. It is explained to her that if she does not have this treatment, her illness will kill her. She still refuses to go ahead.
This woman, who was considerably less articulate and independent than Lissa is portrayed as being, and who had considerably more to lose, was still found to be legally competent. She continued to refuse treatment, and she died very shortly afterward.
Fuck you and your sex goblins, Murray. You have no idea what you're fucking talking about.
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Maybe we should update the OP with what we have so far to make things clearer.
By the way, I just added a few more screenshots. I felt they weren't worth a whole new post.
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The juciest cuts come from free-range lolcows. You start pumping 'em full of manufactured shit and the quality suffers.
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I don't think you're concern trolling at all. Even if Murray's persona was having a net positive impact on these communities, it's still not good that a poorly-disguised pedophile got on the good side of such a vulnerable population. It is concerning.
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One of the weird little things I've noticed in Lissa's posts is how frequently she uses the word giggle. It seems like every other post when she's telling a story or talking about herself or baby she manages to squeeze the word in somewhere. Not once have I heard her use another word to describe someone laughing, it has to be intentional on Murray's part. I assume it's to make Lissa seem more innocent and girly instead of the nightmare sped goblin she would actually be if she existed in real life. In a similar vein, you have to wonder how he keeps his grammar when typing as baby so damn consistent. You would think that there would be some inconsistency between how he spells things as baby, and even if Lissa and baby were real I doubt that Lissa would be using the same spellings when trying to type the way baby speaks so consistently. It's not an actual language, no real person would be able to keep that shit straight. Either Murray is using some weird self-made wordfilter to keep everything consistent, or the baby-speak is an important part of this fetish world he's created and he's getting his rocks off to it. I really, really hope it's the former.
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About the way Baby speaks: it's supposedly a speech to text program Lissa uses that translates everything Baby says into text.
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Kartoffel
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He might use some script that automatically transforms normal speech into baby; like the stuff the Homestuck fandom uses for their trolls (example). A Background in computer science does not seem off with this guy here, it isn't that hard, you've just to define your rules right. (And for special cases you simply add stuff manually parsed.) And it would perfectly fit to the high consistency.
He could quite easily prove Lissa's existence: Tell us what kind of computer work she does so that we can assess if this would be worth the trouble to hire her; and if that's the case let her solve a fitting little programming task, so we can see if that kind of work is believeable.
BULLSHIT. Text to speech is still totally crap. That would never deliver that kind of consistent transcripts.
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Quick reminder for Seebs, courtesy of @Fangsofjeff, that you are believing someone who claims that the justice system works like this:
ImpossibleMongoose
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While I don't disagree with you, I like playing devil's advocate.
Assuming Lissa exists, based on Georgia's guardianship rules, a person can be deemed incompetent in the event of
mental illness
mental retardation
mental disability
physical illness or disability
chronic use of drugs or alcohol.
and
to the extent that the person lacked sufficient understanding or capacity to make significant responsible decisions or the ability to communicate such decisions concerning his person or is incapable of managing his estate.
Based on Lissa's Tumblr posts, I'd hazard a guess that her physical issues stemming from Turner's (high blood pressure, severe under weight (15.5 BMI), whatever else I'm forgetting), in combination with her being non-verbal satisfies the requirement for her to lack the ability to communicate decisions regarding her health. There was also a post where she explicitly states she's unable to handle her finances, which satisfies the "incapable of managing his estate" requirement. Plus, autism is a recognized disability all by itself, so I can see how it would be plausible that a person in Lissa's position could be under guardianship.