Do Men Even Like Women?

[AgendaPoster]

What would happen if I mashed E right now?
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Never played that game but I'm familiar with the characters cause they were ubiquitous on YouTube

 

[eatler]

Never played that game but I'm familiar with the characters cause they were ubiquitous on YouTube

I’d say “yeah man it’s a great game if you ever had the time” but the servers are plagued with bots because all the moderators at valve went to dota.

 

[Stan]

Is there a case number for any of that? It sounds like feminist mythos. Here’s hot, young Dworkin for reference, at a time in America where being overweight was unusual enough that it had to be addressed when encountered

Link to contemporary report about the arrest and Dworkin's testimony to a grand jury (Times Machine)

Screenshots:

Edit: I mean like, if a character on a sitcom was fat, it would be reference and made into a front and center thing. There would be entire episodes about the fat character asking “why are they fat?” and concluding it was a moral defect.

If that is what you think of her, then you are not the sort of person Andrea was trying to reach.

I don’t think Dworkin got asked to prom
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You're never going to beat Dworkin's assertion that men treat women like sex objects and chattel by constantly commenting on why her appearance offends your sexual tastes or predicting that she wasn't asked to prom / taken on dates/ fucked often enough. IMO Andrea's anger comes from the amount of bullshit she had to put up with coming from men.

Also, and I mentioned this before, but misogyny still works whether you're a pretty girl or an ugly one. The ugly ones face all this male butthurt because they still lead their lives while being FAT in public. Men might be outwardly nicer to the pretty ones, but those girls need to be on high alert that he doesn't have some ulterior motive. Also, the moment the pretty ones talk back the men will start treating them just like they always treated the ugly ones. IMO men can slide pretty seamlessly between "O my thicc goddess" to "you fat bitch!" if you aren't polite enough in turning down their advances.

Edit edit: here’s an older pic of Dworkin admiring some patriarchy (unless you can tell me how many women worked as masons in the Middle Ages)

Still fat and pointedly Shrek-like. She was born in 1946 and this pic is from Crete in 1966, so she was still gross at 20 years of age and also very privileged
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You numpty. Dworkin got stranded on her travels twice: once in Greece, and again in the Netherlands when she ran out of funds and couldn't immediately get home. She ended up getting out of the Netherlands (and away from an abusive husband who beat her) by agreeing to ferry drugs into the US for $1000 and a plane ticket home. The deal didn't go down, but the guy contracting Andrea let her take the plane ride anyway.

Her dad was a commie schoolteacher and her mom was a housewife in Cherry Hill, NJ; Andrea's grandparents were Jewish refugees from Europe. The life of an idle dilletante, it isn't. :/

Well that's complete lunacy but ok. Any man with more than five brain cells to rub knows women generally talk more to each other than us either way, and assuming otherwise is stupid. To me, this isn't "talking" about some kind of obscured "truth" but a common engagement in a shared delusion, not too dissimilar to TRP shit. In turn, that gives you the false authority of speaking in the name of all women and any who choose to disagree get labelled as pick-me's, a man in disguise, or just not "awake" enough.

OK so you're fine with women talking shit about men, but we need to do it in secret, in a place the men cannot hear what we have to say? Because it's been shown over and over on this forum that if women talk frankly about sexism openly, some guys just cannot handle that discourse happening without men being able to interrupt and derail that discussion. This is why the MHT is DMZ'd and why there are numerous threads trying to prove the MHT is incorrect.

I don't really get who you're stanning here... the hypothetical women who see the Man-Hate thread and think "I'm nothing like that, boys love my boobies, tee hee it's fun when they talk about me like I'm a cut of pork"? Because I'm pretty sure PaladinBoo and whoever can and do post in the MHT, and the other women make fun of them for putting up with these stupid moid games.

I mean, let's set aside the random pink triangle incel who stumbles upon the thread, vomits some verbal diarrhea and promptly gets banned due to being a minor. We've seen this story again and again and again. Half the communities covered on the website have a cult mentality like this. To any other user here it's just the same old shit... But this time endorsed by Null for some reason. I guess it hits his childhood trauma in all the right places or something.

IMO Null is just more normal than you and is willing to listen what to what the women on his forum are saying when you don't want to.

But OK, you're probably not reading this so here's my TL;DR: You're not special, grow the fuck up.

Neither are you. Why do the men create thread after thread in reaction to the MHT and still whine that Null's curtailing their right to speak freely?

LOL, there are inherent differences between the sexes.

How we approach problems and ways of thought.

I think logically and without emotional responses driving it. I am not a typical female and hate the female hive mind.

Ooh watch out, she's not like the other girls. She hates the female hivemind. She thinks logically, whereas normal women are all emotional. Wow this so original I'm sure the boys will think you're interesting. (Pick-me detected.)

The bitchiness and catty behavior. Tearing other women down. Especially, if you are attractive and not a fat hobgoblin.

We ARE own worst enemy. Not men.

I disagree. The women who are willing to put each other down this way are basically collaborating with the men in the hopes that the men will stop treating them like women (which they won't.) Which is what you were doing in the above paragraph. You're basically going to shit on women as a group so you can set yourself apart as the girl who's "not like that".

Is it really worth it to do this so some scummy Internet guys give you asspats? Knowing what makes them cheer; I'm usually pretty OK with getting tophats and trashcans.

@Stan if you circle back around to this thread, I have one serious question, all trash talk aside.

How do you differentiate Andrea Dworkin from Andrew Tate? To me, they’re essentially the same thing

They're nothing alike.

Spoiler

Andrea Dworkin never tried to justify her politics by bragging about her car(s).
She was never accused of a Romeo-style human trafficking scandal, let alone criminally indicted.
Andrea Dworkin wasn't "discovered" by participating in a frat house reality show (Big Brother)
Andrea Dworkin did not publicly question whether the Nazis "really were the bad guys" (some of her extended family died in the Holocaust)
Andrea Dworkin did not actually advocate violence against men, Tate advocates VAW (and is suspected of doing some himself, including SA.)
Andrea Dworkin didn't build her image by pretending to compete in MMA.

I like mi mum.

That's the ticket!

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

At this point I'm surprised you westerners are still capable of sexual reproduction. No wonder the birth rate in the west is only being upheld by Muslims and Mexicans if this kind of degeneracy is what passes for discourse.

 

[Stan]

They live in fucking castles. I am a medic. I've saved lives. And I can afford only a 2 room communist era apartment. If I took bribes from gypsies, I could afford villas too, but I have principles.

It's a joke because I can do tarot readings. But I don't pretend it's magic or that I can change the querent's fortune. I try to be pretty clear that the secret sauce of a tarot reading is that it allows people to free-associate about their question using the visual prompts on the cards. It's like gypsy flavored psychotherapy.

The comparison to Andrea Dworkin is to highlight that she was a misandrist grifter, and the main difference I personally see between them is that she was embraced by academia

I'm not sure how writing books and then publishing them (or writing poetry and then publishing that, or going on a speaking tour, or a TV appearance to argue with some moid) amounts to a grift. It just sounds like a job some people can do. Intercourse doesn't try to sell you branded supplements to improve your femininity or enroll you in an expensive personal coaching course. Andrea's not giving you a foolproof 12-step plan or trying to make her ideology look good by sitting in a Bugatti.

I thought this website was full of TERFs.... oh well better start working on my makeup skills and make that pill order....

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Kiwi Farm to troon pipeline strikes again.

 

[r9k-speaks]

You're never going to beat Dworkin's assertion that men treat women like sex objects and chattel by constantly commenting on why her appearance offends your sexual tastes or predicting that she wasn't asked to prom / taken on dates/ fucked often enough. IMO Andrea's anger comes from the amount of bullshit she had to put up with coming from men.

That's not some revelation. Men typically rate Women on visual/physical fitness. Women typically rate Men on how loserish they are.

Which is why many Men work their asses off. And why many Women try to lose weight and/or get cosmetic surgery of some kind.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

They're nothing alike.

Dworkin’s claims about being abused by police are contemporary to Alinsky preaching the communist version of taqiyya, so I can’t take her seriously about that without even knowing the names of the doctors or a case number.

In that light, it’s fair to consider her appearance because it speaks to plausibility.

She was also contemporary to the myth that rape is solely about power and not at all about sex’s intersection with opportunity, so that’s a dead end. There were prettier girls than her protesting that day and I haven’t heard their allegations.

Traveling in Europe while underfunded sounds like poor risk management. Potentially dating psychopathic men also sounds like poor risk management. Again, though, were there witnesses? She was an adherent of an ideology that advocated false accusations as part of an overall “by any means necessary” strategy, and by appearances it seems unlikely she would be targeted for rape, because most men would find the maintenance of an erection difficult in her general vicinity.

 

[eatler]

@Badungus Kabungus
Every time I see you avatar I can only think this

 

[Freshly Baked Socks]

, the most outspoken people in the debate are women.

and 50 years of women henpecking men to shut up on the issue has nothing to do with it.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

The ugly ones face all this male butthurt because they still lead their lives while being FAT in public.

"The ugly ones face all this male butthurt because they still lead their lives while being ALCOHOLICS in public."

When you swap out food addiction for alcohol addiction it puts fat hate in its proper perspective. Maybe these women should govern their impulses better. There's no pity for addicts who don't want help.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

I'm not sure how writing books and then publishing them (or writing poetry and then publishing that, or going on a speaking tour, or a TV appearance to argue with some moid) amounts to a grift.

How is that fundamentally superior to any other medium? Are we latched into the idea that Oprah fact checked her guests? Then what about James Frey. Countless examples exist to debunk the appeal to authority fallacy, but goddamn do elitists love it

It just sounds like a job some people can do. Intercourse doesn't try to sell you branded supplements to improve your femininity or enroll you in an expensive personal coaching course.

This amounts to “Dworkin had the veneer of sophistication, whereas mgtow/PUA misogynists do not.”

They both got paid for some shitty activism

Andrea's not giving you a foolproof 12-step plan or trying to make her ideology look good by sitting in a Bugatti.

She promised liberation and implied we’d all be happier. The stats don’t bear that out. Who cares about a Bugatti? She similarly used whatever means she could think of to appeal to a younger and more vulnerable audience.

 

[Spud]

Your welcome to come back when we discuss desserts!

How do you feel about liquorice?

 

[eatler]

How do you feel about liquorice?

I like old people candys so yeah I enjoy may fair share. It even helped my grandma stop smoking.

 

[Stan]

PS: Dworkin never really enjoyed anything more than modest financial success in her lifetime.

That's not some revelation. Men typically rate Women on visual/physical fitness. Women typically rate Men on how loserish they are.

"Loserish" is a pretty subjective term, and I get the sense a lot of incels are very normal looking guys who think they are ugly and they isolate themselves with a defeatist attitude and a lot of pent-up resentment.

Which is why many Men work their asses off. And why many Women try to lose weight and/or get cosmetic surgery of some kind.

I don't think that a prevailing culture that aggressively shames women to conform to a beauty standard set by men is all that liberated to tell you the truth. Women who agree to have little pieces of themselves cut off for the approval and sexual enjoyment of men are not liberated.

If women treated bald men the way men treat fat women (making unsubtle hints that he should go to hair restoration, gifts of Rogaine, hair supplements, etc.) I'm sure you'd have no problem seeing why that would be unkind and ineffective.

Dworkin’s claims about being abused by police are contemporary to Alinsky preaching the communist version of taqiyya, so I can’t take her seriously about that without even knowing the names of the doctors or a case number.

Motherfucker you never fucking read Dworkin! You can't even get her fucking biography straight, STFU.

In that light, it’s fair to consider her appearance because it speaks to plausibility.

It's really not. Rape isn't so much about men being unable to resist the allure of their victim, it's about power and domination. Men could rape the Cryptkeeper if he pissed them off enough.

She was also contemporary to the myth that rape is solely about power and not at all about sex’s intersection with opportunity, so that’s a dead end. There were prettier girls than her protesting that day and I haven’t heard their allegations.

...? You don't know fuck all about that situation until I told you it happened, so I would not expect you to know whether there were hotter chicks protesting at that demonstration or not.
You're such a fucking bullshitter. You are literally making shit up right now. Fuck you.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

I don't think that a prevailing culture that aggressively shames women to conform to a beauty standard set by men is all that liberated to tell you the truth. Women who agree to have little pieces of themselves cut off for the approval and sexual enjoyment of men are not liberated.

Just because “beauty” does not directly comport from its same position in men’s priority queue to the same position in women’s priority queue does NOT mean that men are less influenced in how we live our lives, or in the pressures we face, by the dictates of female, consensual mate selection criteria.

We shame men for the immutable characteristic of height, then turn around and say “no no, I’m sure you’re right that you’re happier being overweight to the point of unattractiveness, which also includes countless comorbidities from cancer rates to heart disease to diabetes and reduced immune function, etc etc etc”

 

[SpergioLeonne]

It's really not. Rape isn't so much about men being unable to resist the allure of their victim, it's about power and domination. Men could rape the Cryptkeeper if he pissed them off enough.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/insight-therapy/201602/rape-is-not-only-about-power-it-s-also-about-sex

 

[SpergioLeonne]

You don't

Didn’t

know fuck all about that situation until I told you it happened, so I would not expect you to know whether there were hotter chicks protesting at that demonstration or not.
You're such a fucking bullshitter. You are literally making shit up right now. Fuck you.

I’m fast at processing new information, it’s called being smart

 

[Freshly Baked Socks]

I don't think that a prevailing culture that aggressively shames women to conform

I love how you express that women are the only humans oppressed into normalization.

It's so female.

 

[AgendaPoster]

It's like gypsy flavored psychotherapy.

I could tolerate that as long as they do it somewhere away from civilized society. Psychology and psychiatry are already highly sus IMO, and their best use is isolating dissidents in a more neutral way, without novichoking them.
But castles, no more. Swindling others for thousands of euros, no more. That's prison time. Superstitious beliefs lead to these murky territories. I don't like that. Our commie regime did some things right for sure.

 

[Stan]

We shame men for the immutable characteristic of height, then turn around and say “no no, I’m sure you’re right that you’re happier being overweight to the point of unattractiveness, which also includes countless comorbidities from cancer rates to heart disease to diabetes and reduced immune function, etc etc etc”

Whatever shade you think you are getting from the ladies because you're not 6 feet tall, I promise you it is nothing compared to the explicit, unkind comments fat women get about their appearance.

Also, there's no point in trying to pretend you care about fat women's health when you've already made it so clear that this is about your boner and your sexual pleasure. You think women owe it to you to be skinny, they do not.