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if rust must be in the kernel then HolyC must be also.
for only a gift from god can destroy the devil's whispers.
memory safety? god is my memory manager.
The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice
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for only a gift from god can destroy the devil's whispers.
memory safety? god is my memory manager.
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The moderator team in the biggest (and only) NixOS server doesn't like (((them))) that much either. Furries get bullied in the offtopic channel, and they almost tried to cancel them. Kek.
Definitely better than Arch, the community isn't gay either unlike that. The steep learning curve filters away most of the troons.
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translation: awful documentation
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Yeah, but it has a pretty snowflake made out of lambdas for the logo, which is perfect for me.
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I was poking around piracy resources and found some interesting Linux links.
Source: Linux / MacOS • freemediaheckyeah
Beginner Distros
DistroChooser
DistroWatch
Babbies First Linux
distro.moe - Find Random Distros
Linux Live Kit - Live Distro Creator
DotShare - Distro Config Index
Source: Linux / MacOS • freemediaheckyeah
Beginner Distros
DistroChooser
DistroWatch
Babbies First Linux
distro.moe - Find Random Distros
Linux Live Kit - Live Distro Creator
DotShare - Distro Config Index
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Ubuntu as a beginner distro - UGH!
Ubuntu is such a terrible choice for a beginner, Snaps are going to have them confused as to why half the apps run like shit. That's when the damn OS works to begin with, The stability on buntu is shockingly bad. I run AMD and I still found myself randomly losing my DE despite not fucking with anything. Just wondering if it was going to boot that day was not what I would call fun.
LMDE baby, thats where it's at.
Ubuntu is such a terrible choice for a beginner, Snaps are going to have them confused as to why half the apps run like shit. That's when the damn OS works to begin with, The stability on buntu is shockingly bad. I run AMD and I still found myself randomly losing my DE despite not fucking with anything. Just wondering if it was going to boot that day was not what I would call fun.
LMDE baby, thats where it's at.
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>Manjaro isn't beginner friendly
>Arch is in "hard mode"
>no debian
>no RHEL/Rocky
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This looks like one of those Linus Tech Tips video slides, which would explain the retarded distro choice with the lack of the only distro that matters, which is Debian. And of course pushing "beginner friendly" distros like Ubuntu Pop!_OS, elementary OS and Mint, which all suffer from the safe issue, which is as soon as you leave the pretty GUI sandbox that was crafted by the distro maintainers, you have to learn Linux to push forward and it doesn't do any hand-holding or safeguards like Windows.
Just install headless Debian, anything else is just useless fluff, because you will have to learn Linux, period. Best to rip the band-aid off and start off this way. Learn how to use the terminal, how the file system works, which commands you need for the most basic work, how to install and set up a DE from scratch and so on. Distros like Mint are good for your grandma that only needs to watch funny cat videos on YouTube.
btw Manjaro is pointless, you don't base a "beginner friendly" distro on a bleeding edge upstream distro which official installation method relies on manually typing out each command one by one, you're just asking for trouble. Debian is best for beginners because it's stable and relatively easy, and again, there is no beginner friendly distro, those are senior friendly distros at best.
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I agree, my own experiences with Ubuntu have been problematic. Snap is AIDS and I got rid of it as soon as it showed up and I've never missed it. I'd recommend a derivative like Xubuntu over it instead. That being said it is still beginner level compared to other distros, just with shoddy QA.
This is precisely the retarded Linux turboautism I despise. On one hand we have Windows retards fantasizing that Linux is more complicated and difficult than it is, and on the other we have faggots demanding that people make Linux more complicated and difficult than necessary. This dumb shit is neither necessary nor true, and painting Linux in this way only discourages people who would otherwise do just fine from trying it.
I don't know how Linux users end up so far down rabbit holes of retardation. The only kind of person I can imagine writing something like this is a hyperautist even by Linux standards who hasn't spoken face to face with another real breathing human being in decades, because you don't have the slightest clue how most people use Linux or how well/badly these distros suit their needs. Dear god this post is more out of touch with reality than even the most outlandish tranny justification of why trans women are women.
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What I meant by that is that Linux is still more difficult than necessary and all the "beginner friendly" distros are only as friendly as DE devs make them to be. As soon as the end user wants to use some software or do something that wasn't accounted for, it's straight into the terminal, AKA the real Linux.
It's better to be upfront with newbies that yes, you will run into issues and you will have to properly learn Linux at some point rather than to upsell it as the perfect alternative to Windows that's just like it, because it's not.
And why is it more complicated than necessary still? I don't know, maybe because Linux devs have the autistic mindset of not understanding the end user's needs, or maybe it's because at it's core Linux is a CLI OS that has all the GUI elements added on top of it, when Windows NT was desinged from the ground up to be this super easy GUI OS.
Again, you're better off warning newbies that they'll need to show some initiative, even on something like Mint, than to lie to them that it's super easy. And if they're already a Windows power user, they should jump straight into pure Debian and learn from there, they'll be better off in the long run. Or get them to set up a headless Debian server on some SBC, that's a better learning exercise before they decide to dive into the desktop Linux 'tism.
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The problem starts when you treat editing a config file (without the OS blaring scary red letters and alert sounds into your face) and installing a program in the cli like some infeasible rocket science you cannot expect a reasonably intelligent person to do without a degree in computer science, by *gasp* having to read instructions. I know loudly proclaiming ignorance of how things work and being proud of it is cool nowadays, but if you cannot do these things nor can reasonably wrap your head around these things, there's a good chance linux simply isn't for you and you will not get the results you expect. That's perfectly fine. It doesn't have to be. Use MacOS/Windows. There's a reason these have market share and are used by professionals worldwide. Just please, don't expect us all to come down to your level. You either are owner of your own system and make all the decisions that come with it, or you just press button and everything works and the fine people at Redmond/Cupertino make these decisions for you and probably also some decisions you won't like. That's how that deal goes. That's the way the cooke crumbles. No such things as a free meal. Expecting a free operating system people usually do not earn money with also to be retard proof and not having to make you think is some serious boomer-level Exceptionalism. Nobody has to do your homework, especially not for free.
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Oh, Linux is not a simple OS that "just works" and no one can expect it to "just work" and get help when they run into issues? Weird, about every single Linux shill I've seen always suggested this to make me abandon Windows in the name of the FOSS glory, which tells me the exact opposite with all the friendly and inviting flavor texts.
Maybe don't get mad that people treat Linux like a Windows replacement if half of the Linux community shills it as exactly that.
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I think the crux of our disagreement is what kind of user we're talking about. I'm talking about the average PC user whereas you seem to be talking about power users. Of course power users are going to be irritated with the limitations of entry level distros, but telling the average PC user to "just install headless Debian" is lunacy and that's what irritated me.
Distros like Mint are popular for a reason, and it's not because an army of Linux nerds installed it on their grannies' PCs. It's because DEs are a convenience that handle the vast majority of the user's needs. The average user doesn't give a shit about tweaking their system from scratch to perfection, they just want something that runs reasonably well out of the box so they can use their computer.
Of course DEs will never handle 100% of what a user might want to do, I don't know why you expect a DE should do everything. Even Windows requires popping open a cmd on occasion to troubleshoot things. Of course DEs won't be sufficient for users who want to do something uncommon, but they are suitable for the majority of things that an average user would do. For example a power user who wants to use ZFS will have to deal with the terminal, but most users will be fine with whatever the default filesystem is. Using ZFS is not an average user interest.
I never said Linux was a perfect alternative to Windows, and I never said it's "super easy" or that newbies don't have to show initiative, I don't know where you're getting that from. Even the friendliest distros will still have a learning curve because even with DEs there's still differences between the two. Users who want to do more complicated things will need to deal with the terminal, but that is also true of Windows which can require dealing with technical things like the registry and cmd. A Windows user with the knowledge to screw around with things like cmd and registry etc. shouldn't have trouble learning the terminal because it's not much more difficult. I would know because that's what I did.
I use a "granny distro" (as you referred to it) while also doing a bunch of terminal shit every day. It serves me just fine. I can't think of a time when my distro ever prevented me from doing something I wanted. And given their massive popularity it's not just me. I expect you'll mention servers but running servers is not an average user interest it's a power user interest. Linux newbies who are scared of the terminal are not the sort of people who are going to be installing and running servers.
Distros like Mint are ideal for onboarding Windows users, even ones who want to try more technical things. They're similar enough that the learning curve won't be too difficult for those willing to make the effort, and the terminal is still available for troubleshooting or when they want to try something more niche. Power users interested in servers or more complicated things should of course dive into a more suitable distro, because they're already the type of people who aren't intimidated by having to learn something new.
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Not really. I use Ubuntu and do practically everything via the terminal.
Distro wars are absolutely fucking pointless.
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Yeah, you're right too. The official documentation can't talk about Flakes from policy as they are ""experimental"".
Still a great system, although it has its downsides, it is possibly the most usable right now (No, Guix doesn't count.)
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It's out, mintbros.
And Wayland keeps gaining more and more traction.
And Wayland keeps gaining more and more traction.
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GUIs were a mistake. We should all be using the command line for everything, like god intended.
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No, god intended a 640x480 resolution and not a pixel more
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So by the time Wayland is old enough to vote, it might finally be usable. Got it.
Meanwhile X chads
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I’m beyond frustrated with this.
“How do I do x?”
“Don’t do x, do y using flakes.”
“Okay, how do I do y using flakes?”
“Flakes are experimental, don’t use them.”