MASSIVE Erection Thread 2016 - Lizard has the advantage. Trump is spiraling towards defeat.

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All discussion of the candidates, updates and results should go here

For example- here's a video of Ted Cruz vying for world domination.


Also Hilary Clinton is a crook and nobody should have sex with her.

Discuss

(Note- The title will change as we get nearer the election, previous titles will be archived in the OP)
 
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My big issue with Trump is his stances on the environment and that all his presumed Supreme Court picks are Heritage Foundation people who want to repeal the Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage.

It's about policy people, just put forward your problems with the candidate's policy and stay away from the batshit conspiracy theories.

Counterpoint: Hillary's only incrementally better. Worse, right now she's backed by almost the entire Republican policy apparatus who is hell-bent on the "anyone but Trump" model. Pro-OPEC, currently backed by multiple big polluters, and virtually guaranteed to be status quo as far as environmental protection.

During her senate run Hill ran hard on environmental protection - a big issue on Long Island - only to ignore the issue entirely once in office. Expect lots of lip-service and little more.
 
Counterpoint: Hillary's only incrementally better. Worse, right now she's backed by almost the entire Republican policy apparatus who is hell-bent on the "anyone but Trump" model. Pro-OPEC, currently backed by multiple big polluters, and virtually guaranteed to be status quo as far as environmental protection.

During her senate run Hill ran hard on environmental protection - a big issue on Long Island - only to ignore the issue entirely once in office.

I wouldn't say incrementally better, under Hillary there would be at the very least a maintenance of the status quo such as upholding the Paris Climate Agreement and basic pollution standards.

Trump on the other hand believes that Climate Change is a Chinese Hoax and wants to dismantle the Environmental Protection Agency. (http://grist.org/politics/trumps-bu...f-course-it-would-screw-over-the-environment/)

Meanwhile in the GOP's party platform it calls for several alarming things concerning the environment, the most concerning is the elimination of National Parks (https://thinkprogress.org/gop-platf...ional-parks-and-national-forests-5d17bb3eee07)

Again, while it's fun to say that both candidates are shit (and believe me they are) its disingenuous to say that either one won't have large ramifications on the country as a whole, because of some vague notion that the checks and balances of this country would prevent them from doing much harm.
 
I wouldn't say incrementally better, under Hillary there would be at the very least a maintenance of the status quo such as upholding the Paris Climate Agreement and basic pollution standards.

Trump on the other hand believes that Climate Change is a Chinese Hoax and wants to dismantle the Environmental Protection Agency. (http://grist.org/politics/trumps-bu...f-course-it-would-screw-over-the-environment/)

Meanwhile in the GOP's party platform it calls for several alarming things concerning the environment, the most concerning is the elimination of National Parks (https://thinkprogress.org/gop-platf...ional-parks-and-national-forests-5d17bb3eee07)

Again, while it's fun to say that both candidates are shit (and believe me they are) its disingenuous to say that either one won't have large ramifications on the country as a whole, because of some vague notion that the checks and balances of this country would prevent them from doing much harm.

I'm not saying there isn't cause for concern, merely that the people arguing that the fucking apocalypse is on us if Trump gets elected are fucking idiots.
 
In the immortal words of CatParty: "Lol calm down"

Here's what the media tries to portray Trump as:

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Here's the reality:

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I'm not trying to be mean, so lemme break this down for ya. You have a coherent argument, but it's undermined by logic holes.

First, even if Trump gets elected he's subject to the same exact structures already in place that every other president has always had. Second, even if you want to entertain the argument that he'll go completely off the rails if elected, running roughshod over policy (spoiler alert: He won't, because congress will be even more do-nothing under him than it was under Obama), he wouldn't be able to establish any real control of either party which will prove largely unwilling to work with him. The one thing that he has in his quiver is domestic and economic policy, and for every bit of flaming stupid he has there, he also has a number of ideas that are, simply put, fucking good ideas like bringing manufacturing back stateside.

Simply surmised: Trump would be a relative non-issue and be gone in four years.

There is something very important that could come out of Trump's presidency if he wins but that's fodder for another thread entirely.

For what it's worth I deleted that post because "5 pages of bullshit is enough".. I try to remind myself this isn't a very good website for political sperging, fun as it is. So forgive me this one last point before I pass out folks.

If Trump gets a GOP congress (which he very well might) than he won't really have to worry about that hurdle, they'll fall into line on most things he wants because a party turning against its own president isn't exactly a good look for the base. Trump agrees with them on more things than they want to admit in public anyway. He won't have to worry about the court either considering there's an open seat (which he is planning to put a member of the heritage foundation on). There is a very good chance a Trump lead Republican party can end up virtually unchallenged in Washington. Which is a possibility, however remote, I can't scoff at.

Keep in mind I was scoffing at the possibility of him winning the nomination a year ago. Scoffing is bad. I've learned not to scoff now.
 
I'm not saying there isn't cause for concern, merely that the people arguing that the fucking apocalypse is on us if Trump gets elected are fucking idiots.

I'm really concerned over the prospect of a Trump presidency happening, but I'm not too concerned at the same time since Trump's chances to win the election have dipped down significantly in the past few days, if that makes sense.

At least people are paying attention to politics and policy in some contrived and corrupted way at least.
 
I'm really concerned over the prospect of a Trump presidency happening, but I'm not too concerned at the same time since Trump's chances to win the election have dipped down significantly in the past few days, if that makes sense.

At least people are paying attention to politics and policy in some contrived and corrupted way at least.

Fair enough, I suppose. Cheers, Pikimon.
 
My big issue with Trump is his stances on the environment and that all his presumed Supreme Court picks are Heritage Foundation people who want to repeal the Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage.

My big issue with Hillary is that her personal stance and her Supreme Court picks are people who want to repeal Heller vs. DC; i.e. establishing (finally) that firearm ownership is a constitutional right.

I care a lot less about gay marriage than I do about the Bill of Rights being openly attacked.
 
My big issue with Hillary is that her personal stance and her Supreme Court picks are people who want to repeal Heller vs. DC; i.e. establishing (finally) that firearm ownership is a constitutional right.

I care a lot less about gay marriage than I do about the Bill of Rights being openly attacked.

The big issue most have with Hillary is that she's a personal rights attacker. Backed Jack Thompson, huge history of being pro-censorship, and she just-so-happens to be backed by the same group of unpleasant fucks who want to make disagreeing on the internet a prosecutable offense. Topping it all off she's got a long history of siding against people in favor of large corporations time and time again. The fact that she's willing to say or do anything to get in and then run riot over positions she just defended also doesn't do much to inspire confidence.
 
My big issue with Hillary is that her personal stance and her Supreme Court picks are people who want to repeal Heller vs. DC; i.e. establishing (finally) that firearm ownership is a constitutional right.

I care a lot less about gay marriage than I do about the Bill of Rights being openly attacked.

I agree with you right there.

I don't even give a shit about heterosexual marriage. What I do give shits about is Trump not liking the migrants and being more blunt than the others.

I know it comes off as as selfish and cold, but the environment, lbgt issues, and all such are much, much, much less important than being flooded with an army of rapists and a possible an US war with Russia that would leave the whole Europe in ruins.

Trump won't put gays in camps. Trump won't put enough of a dent in the environment to matter, China has been doing that for ages so if you are a treehugger go bark at them. Get it, bark?

I'm not sure what the idea is, is it to break up the Eurozone because it may be a future threat as an economic superpower? Or is it something more along the lines of the Hooten plan?

I am pretty sure its the former. Muslim immigrants are unruly and not really good subjects. The local whites are just better and more productive comrades under Russian guns and less likely to revolt, do terrorism and more likely to work.
Plus Germany is not really a threat to Russia in a military sense anymore.

So I feel that these two factors combined with Putin's pragmatic outlook would lead to him simply wanting the EU broken up.
He can move in and offer "protection" to the weaker eastern/southern states, and maybe thus conquer them or bring them under his power without even the need for a politically troublesome military intervetion.
Hillary winning and helping Merkel would play right into his hand by driving the non-west parts of Europe straight into Putin's arms.
Trump winning would mean better relations between US and Russia and thus Putin would have more diplomatic options in getting what he wants with Eu, like better trade deals.

In both instances, Putin gains an advantage.

But if the migrants flood Europe and they are not controlled, it will become a wasteland. Industry and science would began to stagnate, and the population would be much harder to control for him. He could just kill them all and flood the area with Russians, but such a plan would be very inefficient and time and energy and money consuming.
I can see no reason why he would go after this route, if the former above yields better results with barely any effort required on Russia's part.
 
I keep hearing things like for every newspaper that endorses Clinton, they end up getting bombarded with phone calls from people wishing to unsubscribe.

Hillary, in a leaked audio, was found to be insulting Bernie supporters, who she is going to need in order to win.

Basically within one hour of Alicia Machado, it was clear this was a failed attack.

Despite these recent happenings, lets see what the glorious Fivethirtyeight says

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

Oh yeah, right. Trump has no chance of winning the election, like he had no chance to even get the nomination, or even announce his running.

Besides, we all know Trump doesn't even want to be President. And that he's doing all this to ensure his "Close, personal friend" Hillary Clinton become President. Remember though, friends wouldn't let friends ruin their home.
 
If Trump gets a GOP congress (which he very well might) than he won't really have to worry about that hurdle, they'll fall into line on most things he wants because a party turning against its own president isn't exactly a good look for the base.

I don't think that's very likely. The GOP establishment has no love for him at all. And they clearly don't care about good looks.

I heard some interviews at the dawn of the primaries where GOP higher-ups were discussing how they knew they could more reliably get Congress than the White House, so the big plan was to work towards dialing back the power of the Executive branch regardless of what happens with the presidential election.

Trump fits perfectly with that plan. They don't like him. They don't want him to accomplish anything because that would only encourage other outsiders, to say nothing of how he made them look like clowns in the primaries.

And most importantly with a Trump presidency they would also have every Dem legislator on board that plan, too. There's no way in hell any Democrat in Congress wants to let Trump do anything near what Obeme's done on his own.
 
Alicia "Miss Piggy/Miss Housekeeping" Machado is a huge fraud

She was accused of murder in 1997 in cartel-related shit, she threatened to kill the judge too and she was released. In 2008 she had a baby with one of the biggest narcotrafficante in Mexico. There's a ton of shit like that all over her history.

Oh and she admitted that there are no witnesses or proof that Trump said any of this to her, we just have to believe her because she has no reason to lie

THIS is who Hillary picked as the face of women/mexicans offended by Trump lmao
She even has a lovechild with her cartel lover, this woman is notorious for attention seeking behavior and baiting Mexican celebrities into useless feuds that never existed. For Personal reasons(\ | /), I think Trump is stupid for what he said, but I think no one should have listened to this woman in the first place given her incredulous and sketchy background.
Slutshaming is wrong, but how can anyone make this woman a mouthpiece for women's rights, when she was accused of being a willing concubine of one of the world's most "machisto" crime rings? This woman has a long history of immoral behavior that has actually been counterproductive to women's rights, and now, she'll probably get her own reality TV series along with a green card.
 
After their embarrassingly off the mark nomination predictions, I'm starting to think 538 just got really, really lucky predicting Obama's elections.

Every other service that predicts the election has Hillary around 75% to Trump's 25%.

538 has Trump's chances a lot higher (Hillary hovers around 67% while Trump is around 32%) than the other statistical analyses (Besides 538 there's also the NYTimes, DailyKos, PredictWise, Princeton, CookPolitical, RGPR and Sabato).

NYtimes has an overview of the other statistical analyses here:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html

So while it's fun to think that Trump will inspire hordes of American voters to go to the voting booths to "Make America Great Again" the reality is that Trump has significant downfalls and obstacles, that have been stated before but not really discussed in full detail (such as a lack of a ground game for early voters and voter registration in states like Florida and Pennsylvania for Republicans).
 
There is no need to argue, we all know soros will fix the election and Hillary will bring on the rapefugeecalypse.

Trump would really, really, really need to pull off a miracle like getting 80-90% of the votes to counter whatever foulness soros has planned, and we all know he can't do that.
 
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