Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

Why no outrage about the trigger itself? Without which the war might not have started in the first place?
I mean someone going on live tv and literally say that as long as the incursion was just a small incursion then that would be fine.

>He thinks Putin takes some retarded statement from some politician from the West at face value

 

[Vesperus]

It's not an activist site, it's not even a political site - it's a place to laugh at people who publicly make fools of themselves. The fact that Null is interested / tolerant enough to have all this Happenings and A&N topics shouldn't be taken by anyone as meaning the Farms is a rallying point for any politics. The Farms is simply the last bar on the Internet, where you can still have a good time.

I'm here to chew sneed and kick bubble-butt.
And I'm all out of bubble-butt.

 

[Overly Serious]

Going back to the start of the war and the trigger.
Sure, Russia claims that they have been unhappy with the shelling of the russian speaking population
in the east of the country. But that had been going on for almost a decade and might be one reason but it is not the trigger.

That is why it is so funny to see all the hysteria about "republican and trumpers should be beaten in the streets because they don't want to defend ukraine."
Why no outrage about the trigger itself? Without which the war might not have started in the first place?
I mean someone going on live tv and literally say that as long as the incursion was just a small incursion then that would be fine.
Or have NAFO forgotten about that? I mean that was literally when a world leader and global power told Putin that as long as it was just a small incursion then it was ok, you can go ahead.

Ukraine shelling the people of Luhansk and Donetsk cannot only be a fig-leaf for other motivations. Russia most definitely cared and the fact that Russia didn't immediately go in I don't think is evidence that they didn't. Russia did a lot of preparation, especially economically, before it felt secure enough to take on the West on this. Without it, they may not have weathered the sanctions nearly half so well for a start.

But trigger apart from that I think can be summed up in what Putin said: "When you know a fight is inevitable, throw the first punch". I think after years hoping otherwise, once the Democrats regained control of America it became undeniable that the fight was inevitable and Russia simply struck first. All those fortifications at Bakhmut and Avdiivika built over years weren't meant to defend against Russian invasion, they were meant as staging grounds for military advances into the Donbass probably including some actual NATO forces directly.

 

[Meh123]

Well yeah, but the drones most useful for warfare are the ones that NEED a real time comm link. Reconnaissance drones and grenade drop drones.

Nobody is using commercial drones for kamikaze bombings (unless occasionally desperate Ukrops possibly) they don’t carry enough explosives.

There are plenty of videos of russians using FPV drones with an RPG warhead or other explosives strapped to it (notice the makeshift contact fuse on the bottom of the screen, practically 2 wires that touch when the dron hits something)

 

[Fapcop]

There are plenty of videos of russians using FPV drones with an RPG warhead or other explosives strapped to it (notice the makeshift contact fuse on the bottom of the screen, practically 2 wires that touch when the dron hits something)

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Sure, but again: That’s, like the drones dropping grenades, is the kind of drone that requires a com link and the operator to select and acquire a target.

Nobody sends them in with preplanned flight paths to hit a particular spot. That’d be a total waste of a 1000$ drone delivering a few hundred grams of explosives. Attacking preselected fortifications is a job much better left to 500 kilo FABS.

In other news:


Lol! No fortifications because the money got stolen. Never change Ukraine!

 

[Cuckoman]

Lol! No fortifications because the money got stolen. Never change Ukraine!

This is legit the most ukraine sentence I have read all day.

 

[Meh123]

That is why it is so funny to see all the hysteria about "republican and trumpers should be beaten in the streets because they don't want to defend ukraine."
Why no outrage about the trigger itself? Without which the war might not have started in the first place?
I mean someone going on live tv and literally say that as long as the incursion was just a small incursion then that would be fine.
Or have NAFO forgotten about that? I mean that was literally when a world leader and global power told Putin that as long as it was just a small incursion then it was ok, you can go ahead.

We're talking about people who readily accept the explanation "puttler is ebil imperialist and want greater ruZZian embire". They're the same people who unironically think russia blew up it's pipeline or use meat wave attacks.

They can make chips down to about 90nm and have done little trial runs of 65nm.

90nm was cutting edge in 2003 and was used in the Pentium D and AMD Althon 64 X2. Remember, an F-22 uses CPU technology from the early to mid 1990s, as do most modern fighter jets. A Javelin, Hellfire and Brimstone fire and forget ATGM uses pretty damn primitive CPUs, think mid 1990s vintage.

Additional benefit, they can fabricate chips without NSA backdoors built into them

 

[The Ugly One]

All those fortifications at Bakhmut and Avdiivika built over years weren't meant to defend against Russian invasion, they were meant as staging grounds for military advances into the Donbass probably including some actual NATO forces directly.

If there had been a joint Anglo-Ukrainian invasion of Crimea and the Donbas oblasts, Russia couldn't have done what it's doing now, not officially. That would be directly attacking the UK. In a proxy war between nuclear powers, initiative is everything.

 

[Fapcop]

This is legit the most ukraine sentence I have read all day.

I’ll Ukraine it up a tiny bit…

“No fortifications because the money for them got stolen by the generals and politicians responsible for building them.”

Additional benefit, they can fabricate chips without NSA backdoors built into them

Yup… There is a reason why Russia and China has invested tons of resources into building their own CPUs, computers and OS.

Nerds who laughed at how poorly a Russian Elbrus CPU or Chinese whatever chip ran Windows or Doom, never understood that.

Sure, a Russian CPU may struggle with Windows bloatware, but you need a lot less horsepower for military applications.

Or just for a network connected laptop that you can prepare documents and emails with, without the CIA snooping on your shit.

(And nope: Not talking about the very impressive Soviet era Elbrus supercomputer, but about these: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbrus-8S
Russians have always punched above their weight in terms of hardware and software. For example, Intels GPU program got majorly delayed because of the war, since much of their GPU staff were Russians.)

News from Africa…



Chad, a bastion of French power in what used to be France’s neocolonial backyard, is apparently having a coup attempt.

Internet is down, and gunfire is reported in the capital.

Macron takes another L. Possibly.

 

[White_N]

"A - Azov, B - Bayraktar, F - F 16...," a Ukrainian child learns the alphabet
D - donate, the only funny thing about this video

edit: I just realized it was created by Zelensky's company, Studio Kvartal-95

 

[Myrtle the Turtle]

Ukraine Plunders Howitzer Graveyard to Keep Big Guns Firing (Archive) | Article

Informative piece on how artillery is holding up for Ukraine. Necessity has forced them into DIY repairs and parts replacements to keep them running.
Pull quotes:

Mechanics have to be careful because the M777s lightweight titanium frame means new additions can influence the positioning of the barrel. New parts are tested with chemicals for brittleness and then given a road test on the battlefield, engineers say.

An example of how the west has over-engineered basic equipment. Titanium is a tricky medium to weld and required special handling. The engineer doesn't make any note of issues of the older Soviet artillery pieces besides parts supply & wear.

Ukraine is firing artillery guns far more than their manufacturers intended. Serhiy, the chief engineer, said that a barrel should typically shoot 2,500 times before being replaced. Ukraine is firing its 5,000 times and more, he said. With such overuse, barrels typically lose their accuracy and range.

Not a surprise. Both sides are putting more hours than normal on their equipment. Whatever works gets used til it breaks beyond repair.

The U.S. has said it aims to provide three months of spares for equipment sent to Ukraine. The Pentagon, though, doesn’t have a plan for sustaining the Bradley, Stryker and Abrams armored vehicles it has provided to Ukraine, including training for Ukrainian mechanics, according to a report published this month by the Defense Department inspector general.

An further example how expensive these military toys have become. They're combat Ferraris. Its like giving a homeless guy a tuned BMW Alpina and expecting him to be able to DIY repairs or buy the expensive parts to fix it vs giving him an old Camry thats familiar and has accessible aftermarket parts.

Maintenance issues mean about half of the German Leopard 2 tanks sent to Ukraine by Berlin are currently out of action, according to Sebastian Schäfer, a German lawmaker.

I have no idea about the validity of the claims but I would lean more to it being true because of how complex the systems are. You've given your ally a heavy, expensive paperweight that spends more time in the shop than a Range Rover.

 

[Pope Urban II]

https://t.me/informnapalm/20686

LMAO AYYliums

 

[Fapcop]

This is why NATO loses their wars.

“Let’s make 100 top of the line, 3 million dollars a piece, titanium howitzers that weigh 4 ton, instead of 1000 steel howitzers that weigh 5.5 ton!”

Our entire defense sector is broken as F.

https://t.me/informnapalm/20686

LMAO AYYliums

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LMAO fucking hohols…

“Alien life? TRY RAMMING IT!”

Ukrainians truly are the niggers of Europe.

Give ‘em some vodka and sunflower seeds, and they’ll sit in the shade watching everything collapse around them. Only to periodically start fighting each other when Mykola gets too drunk.

 

[just a banana]

and for another thickening of the plot, the Transnistrian congress is asking Russia for protection

(German is back btw)

https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1762831797350437073

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/nqC9u

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thickerer and thickerer

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

Lol! No fortifications because the money got stolen. Never change Ukraine!

So if they liquidated the materials and equipment they were sent (Concrete? Excavators?) they could have still dug hand trenchs. I wonder if they had enough behind the line manpower to do it the old fashion way, or if too much manpower was being routed to the front to make much headway on that.

The more I think about it, the more likely I consider it that its just seething that they didn't get an infinite supply well from the West, so "Reasonable fortification" becomes "No Fortification" because they didn't get a dedicated Neutronium bunker with Gauss Rifles for every fifty meters of the line.

 

[Pope Urban II]

LMAO fucking hohols…

“Alien life? TRY RAMMING IT!”

Ukrainians truly are the niggers of Europe.

Give ‘em some vodka and sunflower seeds, and they’ll sit in the shade watching everything collapse around them. Only to periodically start fighting each other when Mykola gets too drunk.

what will the next wunderwaffe be?

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

The Yanks? They sure as fuck don’t want to trade New York just to get revenge on some Polacks, Krauts and Limeys, so I don’t see them striking back

Nigga, who the fuck do you think you are?

Trying to tell the forum I wouldn't trade the incineration of the coastal elites, their Jew handlers, and their retinue of niggers merely for an ice cold Coca-Cola.

 

[Meh123]

This is why NATO loses their wars.

“Let’s make 100 top of the line, 3 million dollars a piece, titanium howitzers that weigh 4 ton, instead of 1000 steel howitzers that weigh 5.5 ton!”

Our entire defense sector is broken as F.

When you're playing on ultra easy and don't have to account for huge losses, it kinda makes sense to bring less higher quality.
Unfortunately it's not that kind of situation, and 200 good 'nuff T-72 worth way more than 31 wunder waffe (lol) abrams.

Nigga, who the fuck do you think you are?

Trying to tell the forum I wouldn't trade the incineration of the coastal elites, their Jew handlers, and their retinue of niggers merely for an ice cold Coca-Cola.

 

[AnotherOne]

The only country to support Macron in the aftermath was Lithuania.

Germany, Poland, the Czechs, Sweden, UK and even NATO itself have rejected the idea.

Macron did what he does best. He made a fool of himself.

I guess I'm more pessimistic than you guys, but imo this is extremely ominous. Slovakia has said that this wasn't just Macron blowing smoke or creating 'strategic ambiguity' , there were apparently several countries seriously pushing for intervention. The westoids spent 2022 fantasizing about what they would do to Russia in the event of a Ukrainian victory, and have spent 2023 making apocalyptic predictions in the event of a Ukrainian defeat. By themselves French forces are an unwelcome but surmountable obstacle to a Russian victory in Ukraine, but they'll try (and likely succeed) to hide behind NATO if and when things go south. i.e. they'll launch airstrikes and anti-air missiles from Poland and threaten article 5 if and when Russia tries to retaliate.

Now look at the broader situation from a Euro pov. There's a genuine anger there that goes beyond Russia invading a sovereign nation and killing civilians. In their minds Russia has derailed what was essentially supposed to be Europes civilizational retirement. While energy prices have come down from their 2022 peaks Europe hasn't recovered economically. GDP growth is anemic at best and debt is mounting. Europe needs a cheap and reliable source of natural resources and they've lost that. The potential replacements in the middle east and Africa are all just as unstable and revanchist as Russia, if not more so. Case in point Russia supposedly shredded the Francafrique with a couple dozen wagner mercs. The Americans stabbed Europe in the back-they blew up nordstream, charged out the nose for energy, and took advantage of their position as the global reserve currency to throw money at nearshoring manufacturing.

Beyond that some euro politicians have taken the Kool-Aid and genuinely believe that Russia will invade the rest of Europe once they're through with Ukraine. But even the more levelheaded Euro bureaucrats know they can't afford another cold war with Russia. European demographics are shit and their economies are stagnant. The draft is a massive opportunity cost and the costs of a well funded professional army are even higher. Given the other crises Europe is facing (aging native population, unchecked immigration, economic stagnation, deteriorating infrastructure and institutions) there will be temptation to 'settle' the Russian issue now. In theory Europe could try to make amends with Russia, but in practice this isn't politically acceptable and probably won't be as long as Putin is in power. So the euros have a vested interest in regime change, and that regime change can only be accomplished through a catastrophic Russian defeat.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

If the only way to move forward as a civilization is to nuke London, Paris, and Brussels, I'm okay with that.