Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Whoopsie Daisy]

You know I was watching a Russian streamer called Iron_Sultan on twitch and he showed some videos of troops on the front. There was some guy in an active warzone with bullets flying and shells falling all around in a ruined building filming himself and saying that he was extremely happy and had the best job in the world. How do people attain this sort of psychological state? It's clear he's a battle-hardened vet but how can a man get used to such an environment, let alone enjoy what he's doing there? I feel like so many Russian volunteers clearly aren't motivated by money. What else can compel a man to put his life in danger and still be so happy and unperturbed? Is it ideology? Religion? What's keeping these troops going? I'm perplexed and I've spent two years in the army and I feel nothing there can prepare you for an actual conflict since you know you're not in danger.

You'll often hear laughing from front line troops while under fire. It's something to do with the brain coping with the immense stress and danger.

I imagine after so many battles your brain just looks forward to the dopamine rush.

 

[The Ugly One]

You could see the ammunition going up on them first video releases.

It looks like one or two the back of the turret

See here, not how the crew hops out while the ammo is burning.

And here's it being tested

https://youtu.be/ltTDuzawvQs?si=HTr5lKR0A8SH8Afp

The Abrams was designed to keep the crew safe and alive more than almost any other tank made at the time.

Hot gases blasting out of the tank hurt the crew a lot less than hot gases blasting inside the tank and building up so much pressure they pop the turret off.

I also don't know why Fapcop calls it "cope" to say they can shoot accurately on the move...because they can. The Abrams fire stabilization system is one of those game-changing applications of linear control systems that turned the Gulf War into a turkey shoot. I first learned about it in my controls course way back in college. Of course, what was revolutionary in the 1980s isn't revolutionary in 2024. The Russians have their own equivalent on the T-90M, the Kalina FCS.

 

[blackjack101]

This is basically declaring WW3 if your sending an aircraft or a missile from a NATO country to attack Russia, the thing is I knew this would be brought up later because where the fuck are you going to park the aircrafts in Ukraine? I have always waited when cuck warfare will drop and Russia just goes Israeli style for the rest of the conflict. Stoltenberg says Ukraine can use the F-16s outside their borders.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

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This is basically declaring WW3 if your sending an aircraft or a missile from a NATO country to attack Russia, the thing is I knew this would be brought up later because where the fuck are you going to park the aircrafts in Ukraine? I have always waited when cuck warfare will drop and Russia just goes Israeli style for the rest of the conflict. Stoltenberg says Ukraine can use the F-16s outside their borders.

This is going to be another example of "You liar of course Ukraine can operate F16's from their own airfields, it's Russian propaganda to suggest F16's require special runways" to "Of course Ukraine can't operate F16's from their airfields, everyone always knew F16's require special runways!"

The other thread even screencapped one of my posts here from a year or so ago suggesting this. There isn't much mocking going on over there any more.

 

[Rubick]

The Merkava has the engine on the front, which protects the driver from frontal penetration, which is nice. It also has a door on the back so the crew can leave easier. IDK about its ammo storage.

Merkava's front engine setup will help against HEAT rounds. But against especially modern APFSDS it would provide very, very limited protection. Not worth the disadvantages of a front engine setup at all.

Hence Merkava is the only tank with such setup. No, major tank producing country as far as i'm aware looked at a front engine setup in a tank post 60's. Yes, I know T-15 has a front engine setup. But it's a heavy IFV. Not a tank.

 

[Meh123]

Merkava's front engine setup will help against HEAT rounds. But against especially modern APFSDS it would provide very, very limited protection. Not worth the disadvantages of a front engine setup at all.

Hence Merkava is the only tank with such setup. No, major tank producing country as far as i'm aware looked at a front engine setup in a tank post 60's. Yes, I know T-15 has a front engine setup. But it's a heavy IFV. Not a tank.

That may be, but answer honestly, when was any bigger scale tank vs tank combat anywhere in the world recently, much less where the israeli operate?
If an ATGM / rpg penetrated the front, I'd be happy if the tank's engine took the molten metal instead of my face.

I'd say all the ruckus with heavier and heavier armor against APFSDS is bs and will change course after the war in oinkraine.
Modern tanks are not used in full frontal tank battles anymore, therefore faster aim, decent AP rounds, thermals, active protection against ATGM, mine resistance, drone jamming and agility are more important than a heavy armor that can protect you from APFSDS and a cannon that can penetrate an enemy tank's front armor.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Karoly wasn't trained how to target, program and launch storm shadow cruise missiles (among a dozen other modern systems being used in Ukraine) in a couple weeks.

No way!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/02/28/british-soldiers-help-ukraine-fire-missiles-olaf-scholz/

https://archive.is/IGl7H [non paywalled]

 

[Rubick]

Modern tanks are not used in full frontal tank battles anymore, therefore faster aim, decent AP rounds, thermals, active protection against ATGM, mine resistance, drone jamming and agility are more important than a heavy armor that can protect you from APFSDS and a cannon that can penetrate an enemy tank's front armor.

Active and passive protections (APS, IR and radar sig reduction, jamming , and tank based DIRCM's and sub based systems) were always on the cards. It's just very costly additions. Ukrainian war will accelerate this step foreword.

Better situation awareness and automation will be mandatory also. So we will see radars and optical sensors along with passive radar warning and laser warning sensors showing up also. And like i said a lot more automation.



But armour itself is still the most vital key in a tank. This somewhat been stagnant. Both America and Russia been working in this field for tanks on some very exotic alloys at least back in the late 200's. Don't ask me for the names. Not something you'd remember. But so far havent heard anything about this since.


Edit

amorphik metal was one of the directions.

 

[blackjack101]

is it possible to do a poll here?
A) Russians go the cuck route and let the ukrianian F-16s fly from NATO countries to their battlefield and try to score air to air missile or SAM kills.
B) the moment it happens they just bomb the runways hosting the Ukrainian F-16s attacking them.

 

[Rubick]

Seeing how Putin and Russian leadership being acting thus far. They'll turn a blind eye to Ukrainians continuing using NATO airfields.


Anyway, Strix454 fav author and military "expert" is back with another shit piece!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/02/26/modern-banzai-russian-troops-pile-onto-vehicles-speed-toward-ukrainian-lines--and-die-but-the-tactic-is-helping-russia-advance/?sh=3fb7031eb5ef

 

[01169]

I mean they have to do something after they've just shown the world who's actually doing the Banzai charges.

At least 20 special forces soldiers were killed in that failed Crimea operation. And those were supposed to be the creme de la creme of the Ukies.

 

[Susanna]

I mean they have to do something after they've just shown the world who's actually doing the Banzai charges.

At least 20 special forces soldiers were killed in that failed Crimea operation. And those were supposed to be the creme de la creme of the Ukies.

I normally deplore throwing men's lives away for these pathetic "newspaper victories", but as long as they're special forces creeps, I say go for it. Those things are utter villains.

 

[Meh123]

Active and passive protections (APS, IR and radar sig reduction, jamming , and tank based DIRCM's and sub based systems) were always on the cards. It's just very costly additions. Ukrainian war will accelerate this step foreword.

Better situation awareness and automation will be mandatory also. So we will see radars and optical sensors along with passive radar warning and laser warning sensors showing up also. And like i said a lot more automation.



But armour itself is still the most vital key in a tank. This somewhat been stagnant. Both America and Russia been working in this field for tanks on some very exotic alloys at least back in the late 200's. Don't ask me for the names. Not something you'd remember. But so far havent heard anything about this since.


Edit

amorphik metal was one of the directions.

Paint me crazy, but among all this mine business, did anyone wonder if hover-tanks would be a viable alternative?
Small, armored hovercraft that can speed over terrain without actually triggering dumber AT mines, arrive at the enemy lines and do suppression / kill soft targets with an autocannon.

 

[Strix454]

Anyway, @ Strix454 fav author and military "expert" is back with another shit piece!

Well. He is completely wrong as usual. Both sides have been using armored vehicle "charges" and associated infantry landing operations for most of the war. Its what many of these vehicles are for in the first place. Because the alternative would be for the infantry to walk under fire across fields to the point of attack.

His idea that the assaults are only successful because of a Ukrainian lack of ammunition is somewhat unique but also wrong. So are his ideas that casualty rates for vehicles are 60% and 50% for the attacking infantry. And just to make his article even worse, he quotes gamer and youtuber Andrew Perpetua as if he is an expert on the conflict.

David Axe did another article recently where he talked up the "super-advanced" Swedish CV90 as the best infantry fighting vehicle of the war. According to Axe, its going to be a real game-changer in 2025.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

Paint me crazy, but among all this mine business, did anyone wonder if hover-tanks would be a viable alternative?
Small, armored hovercraft that can speed over terrain without actually triggering dumber AT mines, arrive at the enemy lines and do suppression / kill soft targets with an autocannon.

jetpacks would be better.

 

[Susanna]

Paint me crazy, but among all this mine business, did anyone wonder if hover-tanks would be a viable alternative?
Small, armored hovercraft that can speed over terrain without actually triggering dumber AT mines, arrive at the enemy lines and do suppression / kill soft targets with an autocannon.

First search result for "why not hovering tanks?" on YouTube.
Anyway, just use some logic. If it's a "tank", ie heavy and armoured, it'll still set off mines. If it's light and agile, why not just build a helicopter? Also you can't really steer a hovercraft.

 

[Keystone]

David Axe did another article recently where he talked up the "super-advanced" Swedish CV90 as the best infantry fighting vehicle of the war. According to Axe, its going to be a real game-changer in 2025.

The only game changer in this war has been drones. I mean yeah we've had them for a while now but before they were just being used to Hellfire weddings and goat fuckers with no AA capabilities (and they still won lol). This war let everyone see what happens when two modern peer adversaries use them.

Drones are to current (and future) warfare as the machine gun was to World War 1 -- something you're now required to take into account and plan with/around. Everything else is decades old tech with a fresh coat of shiny paint for NAFO trannies to soyface over.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

The only game changer in this war has been drones. I mean yeah we've had them for a while now but before they were just being used to Hellfire weddings and goat fuckers with no AA capabilities (and they still won lol). This war let everyone see what happens when two modern peer adversaries use them.

Drones are to current (and future) warfare as the machine gun was to World War 1 -- something you're now required to take into account and plan with/around. Everything else is decades old tech with a fresh coat of shiny paint for NAFO trannies to soyface over.

Not just that but effective drone tech has proven itself to be so cheap that even 3rd-world militaries can now counter billion-dollar weapons system. The US has had high-tech drones for a couple decades now but they were the hundred-million-dollar variety that relied on satellites instead of the $10k variety that work with a cell phone anybody can field.

 

[blackjack101]

Paint me crazy, but among all this mine business, did anyone wonder if hover-tanks would be a viable alternative?
Small, armored hovercraft that can speed over terrain without actually triggering dumber AT mines, arrive at the enemy lines and do suppression / kill soft targets with an autocannon.

maybe sea mines and avoiding torpedoes.

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[White_N]

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