Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

Small, armored hovercraft that can speed over terrain without actually triggering dumber AT mines, arrive at the enemy lines and do suppression / kill soft targets with an autocannon.

*laughs in magnetically actuated fuze*

 

[Meh123]

First search result for "why not hovering tanks?" on YouTube.
Anyway, just use some logic. If it's a "tank", ie heavy and armoured, it'll still set off mines. If it's light and agile, why not just build a helicopter? Also you can't really steer a hovercraft.

We already discussed that armor doesn't have to be M1A1 heavy, only to ward off small arms fire, 25mm autocannon and maybe some ERA against RPG
A helo has virtually NO armor, but has a very vulnerable propulsion system.

*laughs in magnetically actuated fuze*

I mentioned dumb mines. Which would have helped in robotyne.

But I rest my case, it was just a shower thought.

 

[Betonhaus]

I thought they already leaked the specs on that game? I think some spergs did that for American and Chinese tanks?

I wonder if they're trying to get Russian tank spergs to leak secrets.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Hot gases blasting out of the tank hurt the crew a lot less than hot gases blasting inside the tank and building up so much pressure they pop the turret off.

I also don't know why Fapcop calls it "cope" to say they can shoot accurately on the move...because they can. The Abrams fire stabilization system is one of those game-changing applications of linear control systems that turned the Gulf War into a turkey shoot. I first learned about it in my controls course way back in college. Of course, what was revolutionary in the 1980s isn't revolutionary in 2024. The Russians have their own equivalent on the T-90M, the Kalina FCS.

All Russian tanks from the T-54B onwards could fire reasonably well on the move as they all had dual plane stabilized main guns. Most NATO tanks had unstablized main guns until the mid 1970s....

The T-72A had a primitive FCS to be sure but it still has one, as did the T-80B.

The T-72B3 and newer and the T-80BVM have similar FCS to the Abrams.

But armour itself is still the most vital key in a tank. This somewhat been stagnant. Both America and Russia been working in this field for tanks on some very exotic alloys at least back in the late 200's. Don't ask me for the names. Not something you'd remember. But so far havent heard anything about this since.


Edit

amorphik metal was one of the directions

Amorphous metal is one, along with newer steel and tungsten alloys and better ceramics

Seeing how Putin and Russian leadership being acting thus far. They'll turn a blind eye to Ukrainians continuing using NATO airfields.


Anyway, Strix454 fav author and military "expert" is back with another shit piece!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/02/26/modern-banzai-russian-troops-pile-onto-vehicles-speed-toward-ukrainian-lines--and-die-but-the-tactic-is-helping-russia-advance/?sh=3fb7031eb5ef

David Axe STOLE that language from Tom Cooper, as seen here, released Feb 24, 2024: https://xxtomcooperxx.substack.com/...&r=17wh90&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

Archive: https://archive.is/CimK3

Note he also writes that what probably took down the A-50 was an S-200.


Lmao, Forbes contributor plagiarizing something written 48 hours prior....

jetpacks would be better.

Goddamn those are so cool it hurts. Finally a one man VTOL system that has a decent flight time.

Speaking of aircraft, the same Tom Cooper mentioned above has an interesting writeup on the Russian A-50 fleet here: https://xxtomcooperxx.substack.com/...an-a-50?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

Archive: https://archive.is/fswQk

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

Seeing how Putin and Russian leadership being acting thus far. They'll turn a blind eye to Ukrainians continuing using NATO airfields.

As annoying as it is, that's probably the smarter play. Russia has no doubt lost more men and materiel than originally hoped, but things are going their way so why panic and change direction now. Funding Ukraine gets less and less popular in the US by the day, doing airstrikes on an airstrip in Poland would change that calculus completely.

Besides, there will be a false flag in the next few months that will throw a huge monkey wrench into things anyway so best be on solid ground when it happens.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

is it possible to do a poll here?
A) Russians go the cuck route and let the ukrianian F-16s fly from NATO countries to their battlefield and try to score air to air missile or SAM kills.
B) the moment it happens they just bomb the runways hosting the Ukrainian F-16s attacking them.

If they launch from NATO airbases directly into combat missions, and the airbases are in striking range of Russian weapons, I do consider it a legitimate risk that they strike them just to show they mean business. NATO itself will nope out of invoking article five because "X country launched the planes first, act of aggression", and everyone knows that, so nobody will do it.

The only way they get away with it is if the Airbases are far enough off that Russia can't really get to them. It'd also make the F-16's pretty ineffective. They can refuel in flight, but the sheer travel time involved only makes them much use in preplanned operations.

One possibility is they try and cheekily split the baby. Launch combat sorties off Ukrainian fields, and return trip to NATO allies for maintenance, repair etc as needed. Its a fucking nightmare of a plan, but its so stupid they just might try it.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

No way!

Like this American (or Canadian/Bong) in Kremenaya forest. This cunt certainly did die there; no one came out alive and the Russians probably found his GoPro.

 

[The Foxtrot]

Do love how much Russians embrace all the rail and such, I hate the American AK crowd's "Nyet, Rifle is Fine, if it's not wood it's crap" mentality. I get not fucking up historic firearms, I do, but even basic bitch Magpul stuff can make your shooting life a lot more pleasant. And OD Green and Plum furniture look great on AKs.

Or get a good gunsmith to drill mounting points for foregrips and M-LOK rails on your wooden handguard. It's what I did.

 

[SIMIΔN]

If they launch from NATO airbases directly into combat missions, and the airbases are in striking range of Russian weapons, I do consider it a legitimate risk that they strike them just to show they mean business. NATO itself will nope out of invoking article five because "X country launched the planes first, act of aggression", and everyone knows that, so nobody will do it.

Counter striking would be safe and justifiable. It might even make Russia more confident striking arms shipments just across the border. Russia was wise to play nice earlier, but now NATO is too tired to escalate.

You got to wonder how strong and true these governments in the west are when a couple of pro-Russian shitposters on social media are enough of an existencial threat to your rule that it warrants denying your citizens access to it.

Blocking Telegram before Tiktok is lunacy.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Leaked script for the upcoming Zelensky movie from Paramount?

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1763307482120626360

Movie seems real: https://nynewsdaily.org/2024/02/28/...d-venture-behind-the-115-million-blockbuster/

Script is real too, here's the producer posting it: https://twitter.com/brianwilson_pp/status/1762496660205367386

 

[Nicholas II of Russia]

Leaked script for the upcoming Zelensky movie from Paramount?

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https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1763307482120626360

Why is it called "The Price of Victory" when the war isn't even finished yet and they are not nearly at the sight of winning it? So silly, they don't even try to hide it anymore.

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

Should've called it self genocide.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

Why is it called "The Price of Victory" when the war isn't even finished yet and they are not nearly at the sight of winning it? So silly, they don't even try to hide it anymore.

Maybe they know something that we don't, eh? Otherwise, same energy.

 

[Fapcop]

I also don't know why Fapcop calls it "cope" to say they can shoot accurately on the move...because they can.

Wasn’t specifically the fire stabilization system I was talking about. More the general cope of Abrams being an übertank miles better than Russian tanks and a game changer.

Sure, it has fire stabilization. Like all modern tanks do. Fuck, most tanks have had it since the 60ies if not longer.

The Abrams fire stabilization system is one of those game-changing applications of linear control systems that turned the Gulf War into a turkey shoot.

What turned the Gulf War into a Turkey shoot was air supremacy, and a shitty army, mostly with antiquated export version hardware, led by a shitty officer corps.

Speaking of aircraft, the same Tom Cooper mentioned above has an interesting writeup on the Russian A-50 fleet here:

Just read on Telegram that they intend to restart production of the A50s. (Or likely an upgraded version.)

Though they probably don’t need these huge ass Illyushin airframes. Israel makes a decent AWACS (afaik) built on a Gulfstream.

 

[Gondolindrim]

Anyone else notice how ever since Ukraine started going south, there's been a sudden rise in "people" saying that nuclear war is a perfectly normal, survivable and winnable affair?

Should've called it self genocide.

I am officially changing my stance on this matter: There is a genocide in Ukraine, it's the government sending every man, woman and child they can find to the front line to die in a one sided war all because their masters told them not to negotiate.

 

[SilentDuck]

Anyone else notice how ever since Ukraine started going south, there's been a sudden rise in "people" saying that nuclear war is a perfectly normal, survivable and winnable affair?

I am officially changing my stance on this matter: There is a genocide in Ukraine, it's the government sending every man, woman and child they can find to the front line to die in a one sided war all because their masters told them not to negotiate.

At the start of the war libs of America started advancing the idea that nuclear wars are somehow winnable. Whether the sentiment came from the Pentagon or State Dept. originally who knows but sure enough Reddit and Celebrity Twitter ran with it. "Not a single one of Russia's 6000 Chad nukes works anymore". Sure.

2 years later they are screeching now about Putin having 'space nukes'.

 

[Fapcop]

Anyone else notice how ever since Ukraine started going south, there's been a sudden rise in "people" saying that nuclear war is a perfectly normal, survivable and winnable affair?

Ironically, the country likely to be the least damaged by a nuclear war is Russia.

Not talking about their subways or massive Cold War underground bunker facilities, but about the fact that it’s so goddamn huge that there’ll be plenty of places far from ground zero.

Plus I reckon that the chances of the Idaho missile silos being manned by some blue haired tranny who’ll have a mental breakdown when the order to turn the key comes, are at least 50%.

 

[Gondolindrim]

At the start of the war libs of America started advancing the idea that nuclear wars are somehow winnable. Whether the sentiment came from the Pentagon or State Dept. originally who knows but sure enough Reddit and Celebrity Twitter ran with it. "Not a single one of Russia's 6000 Chad nukes works anymore". Sure.

2 years later they are screeching now about Putin having 'space nukes'.

"We can totally win a nuclear war because RuZZian nukes don't work lol" --> "PUTLER HAS SPACE NUKES! MORE MOMEY TO UKRAINE!"

Gotta love liberals.

 

[Geoff Capes Vapes Apes]

"We can totally win a nuclear war because RuZZian nukes don't work lol" --> "PUTLER HAS SPACE NUKES! MORE MOMEY TO UKRAINE!"

Gotta love liberals.

Plus, as we saw recently, militaries relying on busted 90s production Trident missiles are on shaky ground questioning the reliability of Russia's nukes

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Ironically, the country likely to be the least damaged by a nuclear war is Russia.

Not talking about their subways or massive Cold War underground bunker facilities, but about the fact that it’s so goddamn huge that there’ll be plenty of places far from ground zero.

Plus I reckon that the chances of the Idaho missile silos being manned by some blue haired tranny who’ll have a mental breakdown when the order to turn the key comes, are at least 50%.

And you can become a hero with updoots for refusing to follow orders and not launch the nuke.