Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

VargReallyDidNothingWrong said:
Who really cares about the Baltics?
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Last time I checked around 20-30% of population of Estonia and Latvia were Russians . With smaller , but still significant Russian minority living in Lithuainia . I could see Putin or someone who comes into power after him invading Baltics to "liberate Russian population". And from more pragmatic PoV you can justify it as necessary to secure access to the Kaliningrad . And protect it from stunts like blockade Lithuania tried shortly after start of SMO.
But imo I dont think Russia will start another war until they will deal with Ukraine.
 
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snov said:
The baltics used to be home to Soviet high-tech manufacturing. Computers and such.
Used to be. These days all they are is a source of noise. Any value from invading them would be for the EU, as it would stop embarrassing bluster from the likes of fucking Lithuania. Russia proper doesn’t give a fuck as long as they don’t mistreat their Russian minorities (which they do, but they’re not to the point of bombing them, yet).
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Used to make great milk based products. Riga's ice cream stands were a legend and well USSR was well renowned for it's ice cream And probably the finest chocolate makers in the USSR. Also, excellent fucking champagne.
 
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Rubick said:
Used to make great milk based products. Riga's ice cream stands were a legend and well USSR was well renowned for it's ice cream And probably the finest chocolate makers in the USSR. Also, excellent fucking champagne.
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Definitely sounds like the makings of a great warrior culture that will hold back the russians long enough for NATO to intervene
 
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February 2024 set a record for the number of published strikes with Lancet loitering munitions. A total of 163 new strikes were published.

Thats just insane this is not counting krasnopol, MLRS, air to ground missile, ATGM, RPG and air strikes fucking up Ukrainian equipment. Just look at the webpage, any NAFO fan that gets hyped up with what Ukraine gets supplied with and you show him that webpage it will make that person no longer fucking care what Ukraine gets supplied with anymore. If this is what NATO has the best to offer to Ukraine, Now imagine that this was just a fraction of Russia's full army capabilities in which they start fully using koalition howitzers, tornado systems more, HERMES MLRS systems, T-14s and more of the latest T-90s, Drel bombs, production plant of their own to produce 500 Geran-2s a month with jet engines with thermobaric warheads, izdeliye-53 MLRS drone launchers, etc.
 
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Radola Gajda said:
Last time I checked around 20-30% of population of Estonia and Latvia were Russians . With smaller , but still significant Russian minority living in Lithuainia . I could see Putin or someone who comes into power after him invading Baltics to "liberate Russian population". And from more pragmatic PoV you can justify it as necessary to secure access to the Kaliningrad . And protect it from stunts like blockade Lithuania tried shortly after start of SMO.
But imo I dont think Russia will start another war until they will deal with Ukraine.
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Then maybe it’s about time they treat their Russians like actual citizens, instead of bullying and mistreating them.

An old lady recently got deported from Estonia. Her crime? She couldn’t answer the question: “Who does Crimea belong to”.

I shit you not, they thought police their Russian minority in ways that would make Stalin blush.

In retrospect, it was a great mistake on Stalins part that he didn’t just deport the Baltic lot to Kazakhstan, and settle the Baltics with war veterans. Would have been a Russian jewel today.

What part of “They raised five WAFFEN SS volunteer divisions, there probably not going to be good USSR citizens” didn’t the politburo understand?
 
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Fighting Type Pokemon said:
Lol. News from three days ago.

Estonian Prime Minister calls for depriving Russians of voting rights as soon as possible
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They're welcome to try. Abusing Russian minorities is a "fuck around and find out" sort of thing. You'd think they'd figure from Ukraine's example, especially now that NATO has proven itself so very toothless. If none of them are even willing to back up France, why would an Estonian think they'd do any better?

It is kind of nice to see how quickly the west drops the whole pretense of "democracy" though. "We can't let them vote! What if they vote wrong!?"
 
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Navalny’s funeral

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Considering that Moscow, a city of millions, is the epicenter of Russia’s rootless cosmopolitan, even the most pessimistic color revolution instigator would be disappointed over the turnout.

Is there even a thousand people there?

Notice that they were free to assemble and even spout their slogans.

Hope the FSB is keeping a close watch on who showed up.

Also note the physiognomy on the people here. The fat queer and Redditor type seem prevalent.
 

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Fapcop said:
Navalny’s funeral

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Considering that Moscow, a city of millions, is the epicenter of Russia’s rootless cosmopolitan, even the most pessimistic color revolution instigator would be disappointed over the turnout.

Is there even a thousand people there?

Notice that they were free to assemble and even spout their slogans.

Hope the FSB is keeping a close watch on who showed up.

Also note the physiognomy on the people here. The fat queer and Redditor type seem prevalent.
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I've seen rough estimates of about two thousand attending the funeral. All of whom will of course be promptly rounded up and shot as the NAFO crowd have been telling us was sure to happen.

Notably absent was Navalny's own wife who is under no travel restrictions and could've attended her heroic husband's funeral with no problem. That might upset another false narrative though (and probably not be appreciated by her new boyfriend).
 
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VargReallyDidNothingWrong said:
We must protect democracy by not letting anyone who may vote incorrectly vote at all!
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This is why they often use the phrase "liberal democracy" rather than "democracy".

As one American think tank put it:

But there is also an internal challenge to liberal democracy—a challenge from populists who seek to drive a wedge between democracy and liberalism. Liberal norms and policies, they claim, weaken democracy and harm the people. Thus, liberal institutions that prevent the people from acting democratically in their own interest should be set aside.

These people have no interest in actual democracy. Their vision is for a system in which liberal institutions and liberal political ideas define the entire nature of government. That rather than determining policy, the purpose of elections is to determine the best method to implement the shared liberal agenda.

To question the liberal agenda or liberal institutions or the liberal system is said by its supporters to be "ill-liberal". Liberalism defines itself as the only acceptable system and has ironically evolved into the most "conservative" or even reactionary sort of doctrine.
 
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Strix454 said:
This is why they often use the phrase "liberal democracy" rather than "democracy".
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"Liberal democracy" is an oxymoron.

Fapcop said:
Even Poland can’t claim that bombing a Ukrainian plane flewn by Ukrainian pilots that is attacking Russian targets, isn’t a valid target just because it’s on a Polish airfield.
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Sure they can, when you control the press and can pump out whatever propaganda you want. You don't think US/NATO would side with Russia on a claim like that do you? Truth doesn't matter as much people think/hope it does. Power is all that matters, and they have the power. As long as the people can play Candy Crush and buy weed, they won't question too much about what the US/NATO claims when it comes to Russia.
 
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Unarmed Gunman said:
"Liberal democracy" is an oxymoron.



Sure they can, when you control the press and can pump out whatever propaganda you want. You don't think US/NATO would side with Russia on a claim like that do you? Truth doesn't matter as much people think/hope it does. Power is all that matters, and they have the power. As long as the people can play Candy Crush and buy weed, they won't question too much about what the US/NATO claims when it comes to Russia.
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You’re confusing propaganda aimed at the retarded western masses with real geopolitics. America and Ukraine know that using Poland to stage attacks on Russia would be a drastic escalation. Neither side wants a total war, both sides are incentivized to minimize the scope of the conflict to Ukraine only, no matter how braindead Macron or the Baltic mongrels are.
 
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Feline Supremacist said:
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It's the Jews. Always was. As a Russian(I think you are?) you should know, because they where both behind the red terror and the capitalist plundering of Russia after the fall of the USSR in the 90s and early 2000s. In that period Russia had like 10 million deaths of despair because (((Russian))) Oligarchs colluded with (((American))) economists at Harvard to fuck Russia in to the dirt while subsidizing booze, presumably to genocide your people and make them unable to raise their hand again against the Jews by doing pogroms.
 
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Strix454 said:
This is why they often use the phrase "liberal democracy" rather than "democracy".

As one American think tank put it:

But there is also an internal challenge to liberal democracy—a challenge from populists who seek to drive a wedge between democracy and liberalism. Liberal norms and policies, they claim, weaken democracy and harm the people. Thus, liberal institutions that prevent the people from acting democratically in their own interest should be set aside.

These people have no interest in actual democracy. Their vision is for a system in which liberal institutions and liberal political ideas define the entire nature of government. That rather than determining policy, the purpose of elections is to determine the best method to implement the shared liberal agenda.

To question the liberal agenda or liberal institutions or the liberal system is said by its supporters to be "ill-liberal". Liberalism defines itself as the only acceptable system and has ironically evolved into the most "conservative" or even reactionary sort of doctrine.
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What they actually have no interest in is actual liberalism. Democracy where 51% of the population can enslave 49% of the population is democratic, but not a system of government I'd want to live under, and why the US is a constitutional republic. Liberalism was supposed to be about having a fundamental right of self-ownership and autonomy.

Liberalism no longer means anything about autonomy. In an incredibly bizarre turn, "liberal institutions" are now those which demand total submission and absolute control over your mind and body, the only spheres where you are granted any autonomy at all being how you achieve orgasm and the freedom to urinate on public transportation.
 
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