Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[AnotherOne]

Interestingly, the real start of the anti-Russian narrative for the US regime was the anti-gay stuff. They were fine with all the corruption, the political opponents coming down with nasty cases of gravity, the low-grade belligerence in the Caucasus, etc. Remember, Obonobo originally advocated for improved relations with Russia.

Nah it was Putin getting reelected in 2012 that set the tone. The west thought Medvedev signaled a transition towards a gradually liberalized (and increasingly subordinate) Russia.
Once Putin came back the United States did their best to undermine him from day one. This is when Michael Mcfaul gets appointed and is openly meeting with anti-Putin demonstrators (imagine if the Russian ambassador was present at the January 6th protests lol). This is also when secretary of state Hillary Clinton makes it clear that America will oppose any sort of post-Soviet reintegration, peaceful or otherwise. In short the west was always committed to rolling back Russian influence but wanted to do it cheaply and with as little fuss as possible. Putin threatened that long game approach and the mask slipped.

The anti-gay stuff was Putin pandering to a (fairly conservative) domestic audience, the rift with the west was just a happy coincidence. Remember at the time gay marriage wasn't even legal in most states and the borderline institutional veneration of LGBT+ was still in its infancy.

 

[Uncle Holter]

Interestingly, the real start of the anti-Russian narrative for the US regime was the anti-gay stuff. They were fine with all the corruption, the political opponents coming down with nasty cases of gravity, the low-grade belligerence in the Caucasus, etc. Remember, Obonobo originally advocated for improved relations with Russia.

That's the narrative that they CHOSE to start with, it's not what actually triggered their anti-Russian response.
Getting the people to hate Russia because they where mean to Kike oligarchs that plundered Russia would be a tough sell.
Hence why they went with the narrative of "They're oppressing their hecking gayerinos, how inhumane!".
Even though Russia is a lot more tolerant of Homos than back in the USSR days. For example, men having sex with men was only legalized back in 93 and it was regarded as a mental illness until 99, but the drunk Boris was supper great according to the Jewish media, they did everything to get him elected, so I guess they did not mind that back then. But Putin not allowing Moscow pride parade? WE NEED TOTAL WAR NOW!!!!

 

[DagothUr]

the anti-gay stuff.

IIRC Ukraine used to have articles kvetching about them genociding faggots and troons. Obviously this was prior to the SMO.
It's just funny how politics and ZOG-media works sometimes.

The next day he sent out a suicide note and supposedly killed himself. The proof of the suicide usually given is "he said so"

Ah, the Byuu school of thought.

 

[Fapcop]

A VERY good boy got a medal!

 

[ForTheHoard]

A VERY good boy got a medal!
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That doggo has seen some shit.

 

[Gondolindrim]

Is there any evidence that Russia lost 16,000 men in Avdiivka? Western analysts have been citing this number over and over again.

I mean they've intentionally been blacking out any actual information about the Order of Battle and troop strength for either side. For a long time I thought the war was a hoax because there was no indication more than like 15 people were fighting at any given time.

 

[White_N]

This makes me fucking sad, and look at all the other flags behind this grave there are hundreds.

What I find morbidly humorous is that when the Ukrainian-Russian war inevitably resurfaces as a topic several decades from now, Ukraine's official figures will be 31,000+ Ukrainian military deaths and 10,000+ civilian deaths, and in addition to it being turned into Khokhlocaust 2 by the CIA, it will be the conflict that almost started World War III.
What a clown world

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

it will be the conflict that almost started World War III.

>Almost

Optimistic, I see. The more I see how the worlds reacting to this war, the more I suspect we'll see it as merely the opening conflict in a much greater series of wars we'd identify as WW3, much like Polands fate early in World War 2. Major powers are realizing that you can both persecute a modern military conflict, and actually survive doing so for a long period of time (Something I didn't expect) such as to make protracted industrial warfare still viable. This is going to be changing the calculus for a lot of hostilities and rivalries, and I strongly suspect we'll see more of them kick off and start fighting over old issues well before anyone answers the question of "How far can you go before nukes are involved".

 

[Fapcop]

The 16,000 number sources to a supposed "Russian Military Blogger" named Andrei Morozov. Morozov supposedly did alot of defeatest military coverage about how the Russians lacked weapons, were incompetently lead, were suffering horrible losses constantly and so on. He was convinced that they could never take Avdiivka. Then when they took Avdiivka he switched to complaining about how they had accomplished nothing because the Ukrainians would just defend further to the west.

The day after the Russians took Avdiivka, he published the 16,000 number which was instantly the authoritative number in the western media. Two days later, he was claiming that he was forced to take his message down by Russian authorities. The next day he sent out a suicide note and supposedly killed himself. The proof of the suicide usually given is "he said so" or his attorney saying so when contacted by journalists.

He got alot of coverage in places including the New York Times after the battle of Avdiivka. A full wikipedia article about him appeared out of nowhere the day his "death" was reported.

An article in business insider about Morozov.

Morozov has apparently been fighting in the Donbas for close to a decade.

I’ll try not to say anything too negative about him out of respect for that, but…

The guy was clearly suffering from PTSD and mentally disturbed at the end. Shit like that happens after years of war.

There’s absolutely nothing to indicate that he was right about 16.000 dead, it’s (yet) another example of retarded journalists furiously holding on to a dubious piece of information because it fits their narrative.

 

[blackjack101]

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-celebrates-russia-losing-tanks-war-1836411

"Ukraine Celebrates Russia Losing '5,000 Tanks' in War
Published Oct 20, 2023 at 9:09 AM EDT

Kyiv officials on Friday celebrated Russia losing more than 5,000 tanks since Russian President Vladimir Putin launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

"5000+ Russian tanks were destroyed during the full-scale invasion. Ukrainian power is stronger than occupiers' steel!" Ukraine's Defense Ministry said Friday in a post on social media, published shortly after Kyiv's military released its daily update on Russian losses in the war.

The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on October 20 said its forces destroyed 55 tanks in a single day, bringing the total number of tank losses in the war to 5,047."

have some laughs, ukraine i think is claiming they destroyed more Russian tanks then what Russia has in service.

 

[Shallow Wave]

protracted industrial warfare

Kinzhal thinks otherwise!

 

[Rubick]

What I find morbidly humorous is that when the Ukrainian-Russian war inevitably resurfaces as a topic several decades from now, Ukraine's official figures will be 31,000+ Ukrainian military deaths and 10,000+ civilian deaths, and in addition to it being turned into Khokhlocaust 2 by the CIA, it will be the conflict that almost started World War III.
What a clown world

Doubtful, real figures will surface within a decade and will be accepted. The only real counter example that, that wasn't the case was the Soviet Afghan war. Which still has Mark Kramer invented numbers used as actual figures.

Edit

Iran-Iraq war is also another example. Several African conflicts...

Well, maybe i'm a bit wrong here...



But i still doubt what's left over of the Ukie government will be able to hide the real numbers long term.

 

[Seedling]

have some laughs, ukraine i think is claiming they destroyed more Russian tanks then what Russia has in service.

It seems Russian feats of necromancy aren't limited to flesh and bone but also resurrects old WW2 tanks from the ground

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

It seems Russian feats of necromancy aren't limited to flesh and bone but also resurrects old WW2 tanks from the ground

The idea of Clarketech Necromancy would make a bitching Science Fiction novel, not gonna lie.

 

[Gondola Enjoyer]

It seems Russian feats of necromancy aren't limited to flesh and bone but also resurrects old WW2 tanks from the ground

The Necropolis Power Lich spam strat never died, baby. Russians spent decades perfecting HoMM3 and they can dupe stacks IRL now.

 

[Keystone]

LOL at the Zeno's Paradox cope in the first line of the article: "Russian forces continue to make small but rapid gains".

A jet fighter moving at the speed of sound is also making a series of "small but rapid gains".

History really does rhyme.

 

[Eternal Gopnik]

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-celebrates-russia-losing-tanks-war-1836411

"Ukraine Celebrates Russia Losing '5,000 Tanks' in War
Published Oct 20, 2023 at 9:09 AM EDT

Kyiv officials on Friday celebrated Russia losing more than 5,000 tanks since Russian President Vladimir Putin launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

"5000+ Russian tanks were destroyed during the full-scale invasion. Ukrainian power is stronger than occupiers' steel!" Ukraine's Defense Ministry said Friday in a post on social media, published shortly after Kyiv's military released its daily update on Russian losses in the war.

The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on October 20 said its forces destroyed 55 tanks in a single day, bringing the total number of tank losses in the war to 5,047."

have some laughs, ukraine i think is claiming they destroyed more Russian tanks then what Russia has in service.

I've seen retards talk about 6500+ since last year

 

[wopirish]

I live an hourish south of the largest Air Force base in the world and about half hourish north of the eastern most major crossing of the Ohio River. If nuclear war kicks off and I don't get the chance, it's been an honor shitposting with you all.

As for American nukes, well, this display from the National Air Force Museum should say it all
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The shit I always heard about those command sites is that the air force had the bright idea to staff it mixed men and women, and the plumbing being clogged with condoms was the norm.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

The shit I always heard about those command sites is that the air force had the bright idea to staff it mixed men and women, and the plumbing being clogged with condoms was the norm.

That was my first thought on reading about the co-ed crews. What do people think young men and women, in good or decent physical shape, are going to do if you force them together and keep them bored?

 

[Garm]

What I find morbidly humorous is that when the Ukrainian-Russian war inevitably resurfaces as a topic several decades from now, Ukraine's official figures will be 31,000+ Ukrainian military deaths and 10,000+ civilian deaths, and in addition to it being turned into Khokhlocaust 2 by the CIA, it will be the conflict that almost started World War III.
What a clown world

Personally I'm putting the start of WWII at the fall of Afghanistan. This is just the slow build up as nations start pushing their limits.