Hasidic Community - Everybody's favorite type of Jew. Moved to "Mass Debates" 109 times.

[DumbDude43]

Crucially, the get must be given of the husband's free will - a coerced get is invalid, although "free will" is unsurprisingly subject to very broad interpretation (see below).

In Israel, a recalcitrant husband can be imprisoned indefinitely until he agrees to give a get

very broad interpretation indeed lol

 

[EyeGuy]

very broad interpretation indeed lol

It gets broader.

 

[SuperConglomerateWhale]

It gets broader.
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I remember when this happened, it was a big deal in the area I live in. I've only heard this from two other people who knew parties involved in New Jersey, the targeted husbands were supposedly wife beaters, and since the husband must consent to a divorce, they would continue to beat their wives.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

The practical reason is because Sundays are basically a work day for me.

Yeah but that doesn't apply to you since you're a gentile, you just need to keep the 7 Noahide laws.

 

[EyeGuy]

A couple of minor updates, since I couldn't post anything while working on the FlatbushGirl effortpost:

1. Shlomo Elbaum made it on to the Bnei Brak council. The Gerrer Rebbe was reportedly apoplectic.

2. Eliezer Berland is planning to reveal himself as the Messiah on Purim (March 24). He instructed his followers to assemble 250 "non-religious, tattooed drug addicts with earrings", and make sure there's a bottle of Arak for each of them. Tickets are on sale for the event.

 

[DumbDude43]

2. Eliezer Berland is planning to reveal himself as the Messiah on Purim (March 24). He instructed his followers to assemble 250 "non-religious, tattooed drug addicts with earrings", and make sure there's a bottle of Arak for each of them. Tickets are on sale for the event.

what the fuck? is he trying to stage some kind of mass conversion/redemption event to boost his credibility?

 

[EyeGuy]

what the fuck? is he trying to stage some kind of mass conversion/redemption event to boost his credibility?

He's 86 years old and completely insane.

 

[DiggieSmalls]

I was hoping for this to exit prospering grounds but it seems like it'll probably go to the spergatory.

 

[DumbDude43]

He's 86 years old and completely insane.

he is the rabbi who fled the israeli police to morocco, and then got thrown out of morocco by the local sultan/king when he learned that the rabbi was fleeing from a rape charge, right?

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Sushi is kosher now? bet they don't like the tempura rolls.

Sushi has always been kosher if you're using a kosher fish. They like the tempura rolls.

I take that counts for non-jewish men too since I seen jewish men themselves tell me how this and that girl they know from hebrew camp banged every gentile they could find until finally "settling down". Is like those stories incels always talk about but for these guys it was perfectly acceptable.

Not really, Jewish men are kinda expected to have some experience but women should stay pure.

Yeah no shit jews never proselytized, if they had they would've likely outconverted christians and islam.

Judaism is actively against people converting and recommends that people become Noahides instead. Being Jewish is considered a huge responsibility that you cannot walk away from.

I knew a sephardi girl who got told me her wonderful experiences with the ashkenazi giving her shit being being "darky". I also seen old jews making a big deal about being white and having green or blue eyes.

Yeah, there's plenty of discrimination. It's slowly dying down but still exists a lot, esp in Israel. My buddy is having trouble right now bc his fiancees family is Russian and they face some racism there.

What's that?

Black Hebrew Israelite, blacks who think they're the real jews.

What about the christian community over there?

Generally christians do pretty well for themselves, there's some recent incidents of anti christian actions but the police are cracking down hard on that. They're left alone to do their own thing.

The fuck? shabbat says you can't make fire, technically an EV is a fire-less car, so its a microwave for example.

A regular car involves literal combustion of fuel.

Who knows? They're retarded and I'm not going to read their 40 page essay on it.

This and the jail thing goes back to the idiots who think they can fool their omniscient god: why make this stupid law that gives the man this advantage if you're going to handicap him like this?

ok this is the thing that a lot of people don't get.

@WelperHelper99 you should pay attention to this instead of sperging at Stan.

We don't think that we're fooling our God but building fences to protect his commandments. To illustrate this, let's use the example of the prohibition of eating meat and milk together.

'You shall not boil a kid in its mother's milk'
לֹֽא־תְבַשֵּׁ֥ל גְּדִ֖י בַּֽחֲלֵ֥ב אִמּֽוֹ

This seems straight forward, if you have a baby goat, dont slaughter him and boil him in his own mother's milk. If you fry the meat in the milk or use the mother's milk as butter to baste it, it should be ok right?

However, looking at the text, the specific word used for a kid is different than the normal word for kid. The word used is g'di vs the normal g'di izim. G'di can be argued to mean all baby mammals. Just in case, let's put a fence where this doesn't just apply to baby goats but all mammals. At this point we can't specifically boil the meat of mammals in milk but we can do it with fowl and we can still mix the two in other methods of cooking.

The word for boiling is Bishul בַּֽחֲלֵ֥ב but it's also the word for cooking in Hebrew. To make sure we aren't accidentally breaking the commandment of cooking instead of boiling, we're not going to cook with any mammal meat and their specific mother's milk. However, we do not have the organizational ability to 100 percent know that a specific mammal was being cooked in specifically their mothers milk. To be safe, we will go ahead and put a fence around this so no mammal meat at all can be cooked with any animal milk.

So at this point we're unable to have a cheeseburger but we can still have a fried chicken with cheese sandwich. However, Maimonides brings a good point where he points out that kosher fowl and kosher mammal meat are processed in the exact same way. He writes:

People may say: “Eating the meat of fowl cooked in milk is permitted, because it is not explicitly forbidden by the Torah. Similarly, the meat of a wild animal cooked in milk is permitted, because it is also not explicitly forbidden.”

And another may come and say: “Even the meat of a domesticated animal cooked in milk is permitted with the exception of a goat.”

And another will come and say: “Even the meat of a goat is permitted when cooked in the milk of a cow or a sheep. For the verse mentions only ‘its mother,’ i.e., an animal from the same species.”

And still another will come and say: “Even the meat of a goat is permitted when cooked in goat's milk as long the milk is not from the kid's mother, for the verse says: ‘its mother.’”

To prevent this game of telephone happening, all milk and meat products including fowl are forbidden to be cooked together. There are now two degrees of prohibition:

The original Torah decree: You shall not boil a kid in its mother's milk
The Rabbinical decree: In order to protect you from accidentally violating this law, no meat and milk at all, no matter the source of meat or milk

Now going back to why it's forbidden in the first place to do this and why the torah specifically forbids this practice: It was a Canaanite religious practice to cook a young goat in its own mothers milk as an offering to the gods in order to ensure a good harvest. The Torah forbids idolatry and so this practice was forbidden.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Snipped the section I got @

Dude. If you have to go on a epic length justification why you have a rule but you bend the shit out of it, you don't understand why you have the law. Sure you mentioned the Cannanites. They are dead. At this point you should either follow the rule or discard it. It is about the spirit of the law, not the letter.

 

[56 others]

There is a video of a bunch of hasids riding on the outside of a chevy suburban like a swat team, and im losing my mind trying to find it. It would be great for a section about their private police.

 

[Free the Pedos]

#FreeMalky / Flatbush Girl vs. Kiryas Joel

I can’t wait for the inevitable imamother/KF war.

The OP didn't even mention the chicken swinging or the magical fishing line barrier that makes all of Manhattan their "home"

None of that is distinctly Hasidic.

@EyeGuy, I’m delighted you made this thread because Haredim are my autistic special interest. I only wish there was a way to query out all of the “hurr durr Jews think the eruv tricks God/tunnel rats/bald headed slave wife” 60 IQ bullshit. There should be a quiz in Hebrew to get into the thread, like they have on kosher pantries in hospitals.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Aren't there entire sections of the forum to blather your dumb beliefs to people who don't give a shit? Your spergout with Stan got deleted and so you immediately come back to continue acting like a tweaked out faggot. No one gives a shit what you believe in.

It's actually still in Mass Debates lol. And I'll answer a question when it's directed to me.

 

[DumbDude43]

how they ritualisticly abuse truck loads upon truck loads of chickens every Yom Kippur.

what do they do to chickens?

 

[WelperHelper99]

what do they do to chickens?

Sacrifices if I remember correctly

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

At this point you should either follow the rule

the whole thing is how we're following the rule, there's the core rule and then fences around it. no one "bends" the rules to eat meat with milk

 

[WelperHelper99]

the whole thing is how we're following the rule, there's the core rule and then fences around it. no one "bends" the rules to eat meat with milk

It started with not boiling a goat in its mother's milk. Then you read retardedly deep into that. Now it's don't eat meat with milk. A rule invented because of a dead tribe. All I'm asking is do you know why YOU follow the rule? Otherwise it's meaningless in the site of God. Ritual with no spirit, no heart.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Then you read retardedly deep into that

Judaism is a religion where you read deeply into everything, every letter and usage of a word counts. We know why we follow the rule and put in fences in order to make sure the rule is kept.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Judaism is a religion where you read deeply into everything, every letter and usage of a word counts. We know why we follow the rule and put in fences in order to make sure the rule is kept.

If you know why you follow the rule why can you not say it?