Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

"Our soil"? I missed the part where Donbass became a part of France.

He probably has blackrock or monsanto shares.

That and I suspect there will be Congressional hearings on 'How we lost Ukraine'. There are also rumors that the Ukraine Project might be the largest CIA op in history and hundreds of billions more in black money than we know about have been squandered there. I think Congress can only compel current employees to testify without going through the subpoena process so that might have something to do with it as well.

EDIT: I may be mistaking Congressional hearing participation with Inspector General investigations where only current employees can be compelled to cooperate.

Right, we never saw intelligence agency bigwigs lying through their teeth on a congressial hearing.
 
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The navy in the Black Sea is fucked six ways to Sunday and effectively useless, being locked out of carrying out any offensive operations at all. The only reason it has not been blown out of the water is because it has been stationed at Novorossiysk that Ukraine is not allowed to hit because it is Russian core territory.

Sad but true. Let's not sugarcoat it.

The US Navy is equally impotent in the Red Sea. Cheap drones have really changed the nature of naval warfare, even more than land, because if you think a $2m tank is expensive, wait until you see naval budgets. For the time being, drones have made near-shore warfare all but impossible, just as the US Navy is trying to rebuild doctrine around the LCS. There will eventually be some way of defeating the cheapest drones, but right now, naval vessels are just expensive pieces of steel waiting to get blown up.
 
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I can't wait until we see the Russian filmmaker make movies based on the Ukraine War. Especially after China started depicting half the Japanese imperial army as African American drug-addicted serial rapists. Better yet I want to see China start making pro-Russia Ukraine war movies.
That is from a tv show where the black guy is an American pilot who is shot down in China, then the communist help him back to safety,. Hence why he is wearing a Chinese uniform.
 
Does this mean that they are slowly getting an inkling that the war in Ukraine may have been royally fucked up and a waste of money and weapons?
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I guess the question is how exactly securing those wins might look like, and how the US will divest itself from Ukraine.

As mentioned before, the US has already secured several wins by crippling Europe and its economy.
 
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I guess the question is how exactly securing those wins might look like

The "securing day-one wins" is usually a reference to Ukraine not collapsing at the very start of the war as many people expected. Combined with the expectation that a peace agreement can be obtained giving Ukraine membership in NATO.

The delusion within the Biden Administration is that in the aftermath of what the war has cost russia and a current situation where Ukraine is in serious trouble......that they can just come to the Russians asking for only a cease-fire and get it. Its unlikely to be that easy.

Biden only cares because of the US election anyway. Why do him any favors whatsoever?
 
But diplomats said that eurobonds are still a no-go for frugal nations such as Germany, the Netherlands or Nordic countries.

A debt-financed €100 billion cash pot as floated by Breton is "not in the cards," according to the senior EU diplomat, who added: "I also don’t see much room for additional money from the EU budget.”

But that could change in the event of a big external crisis.

Other ideas include groups of countries teaming up to jointly issue defense bonds; changing the rules for the European Investment Bank to allow it to invest in defense; and tweaking the EU's taxonomy for sustainable activities to explicitly include military projects.
If this is the "European war machine" starting up I don't see it amounting to much.
First of all, we may be fiscally responsible nations, that has all gone out the window with the degree that we're in a monetary union with italy, greece and spain. We're paying immense debts of theirs, both directly and indirectly.

These frugal nations have all positioned themselves as vassal states to the eurocrat project.

The whole war right now is a lot less about the war, and a whole lot more about an excuse to further atate building. Typically of course you need a tax base to give state obligations/bonds. So this might also be a step towards more formalised money obligations of states to the EU. It's the best way to bring such an argument.

It's for your own safety.
 
European armies continued to press conscripts to the front through the centuries as they died by the million.
Modern Europe has no men to conscript.
the U.S. doesn't even nationally produce gunpowder anymore
Incorrect, the factory is back up and running after a roughly two year hiatus due to an explosion.



None of these people seem to understand the complexities of actually delivering working artillery capabilities to Ukraine. Every problem fixed is just going to uncover another shortage in another component down the line.

Where this is all ultimately going is that supplying a major war is going to require massive industrial investment and reallocation of resources all over the world. Contrary to what many supporters of the war seem to think, none of this can be done on the cheap.

The last time the west had anything like a war economy was in 1953 during the Korean War. Its no small thing.



The US consolidated down to one factory that produced black powder in the US. It was in Louisiana, That factory blew up three or four years ago. The Defense Department is currently to get a new factory built. They gave them money in 2022. As far as I know, they are still very far away from having a new factory built.

Everything today in the US is much more difficult than it seems. Between the amount of corruption in business, government regulation, environmental regulation and the Gorilla workforce that people recruit workers from, nothing happens fast. Especially when the government is the primary buyer.
The factory that blew is back up and running any there might be a second factory planned.


There are reports of another ship down. One of the Project 22160 patrol ships apparently, Kalibr cruise missiles carrier.
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None of those carry Kalibers. They're pretty lightly armed patrol ships, which is why it couldn't deal with the boat swarm.

Ships needs 360 degree autocannon coverage these days along with Hellfire/Kornet class missiles to kill the board before they can impact.
contributed to the eventual rise of Constantine and his destructive cult, christianity, which is the next point.
Go sacrifice some more children you disgusting pagan. I sincerely hope one of your ancestors was ripped to shreds by a Christian mob centuries ago for being an idol worshipping and child murdering deviant.

Don't forget to suck off some idols while you're at it.
 
Note for foreigners, in American English, "Asia-Pacific expert" is our way of saying "fucking moron who's failed upward his entire life."

The person in question (Kurt Campbell) advocates symbolic gestures in Asia to preserve America's position there. That actions around asserting that Asia is very important to American military and foreign policy will cause the Chinese to back down and preserve the status quo in asia. That creating lots of jobs within the US government and military with "asian" in the job title is an effective foreign policy strategy.
 
Hey, it did wonders for the Romans.

Absolutely. But we dont need to go that far into the past. Anybody remember Long John Silver here, fighting under the pirate flag?

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Thats a good example what happens if you deploy a PMC group on the home front. And those dudes were not even Non-citizens.

Cudos to Vlad who handled the situation like a pro.

Nudelmans replacement:

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Wew lad, they proposed spending €1.5 billion.
€1.5 billion would be enough to buy them one (1 x) Barracuda class submarine.
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Idk if you could even build a single new factory in Western Europe for that money. It's not enough to pay for a new power station, and because it's Europe we're talking about, they're not building power stations anyway. They're doing stupid stuff instead, such as building offshore wind farms.

Good luck powering your energy intensive high tech defense factories with windmills. :story:

At this rate, it would be cheaper and quicker for Europe to just surrender to Russia and politely ask Vlad to turn Nord Stream back on.
 
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