Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

It is the Official Decree of the French Republic that the Army of the Russian Federation is "unstoppable"
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Fried-Rice12 said:
But still, the Russian Navy needs to up their game otherwise they will be the laughingstock of the Russian Armed Forces.
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Unlike when the Admiral Kuznetsov rolls up on the end of a tow-rope, you mean?
The post-Soviet Russian navy is some submarines and a collection of failboat memes. Not that Russia can't build ships - they have some very nice icebreakers - but the navy seems to be a bit fucked.
 
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Vesperus said:
Unlike when the Admiral Kuznetsov rolls up on the end of a tow-rope, you mean?
The post-Soviet Russian navy is some submarines and a collection of failboat memes. Not that Russia can't build ships - they have some very nice icebreakers - but the navy seems to be a bit fucked.
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The navy in the Black Sea is fucked six ways to Sunday and effectively useless, being locked out of carrying out any offensive operations at all. The only reason it has not been blown out of the water is because it has been stationed at Novorossiysk that Ukraine is not allowed to hit because it is Russian core territory.

Sad but true. Let's not sugarcoat it.
 
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snov said:
Be a man and fight back. Get a gun and shoot for centre of mass. They don't wear armour, or it would be too easy to outrun them. Barring that pepper spray. But they probably carry that too, so don't let them get too close. And if you have no other options, be a literal hero and grenade yourself. You're dead either way, but if you can take a "recruitment squad" down with you you'll save many other men's lives, and secure a feast in valhall or seventy-two virgins or whatever you prefer.
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They're dragging 47 year old Dads off the streets.

These aren't guys who are suddenly gonna do a Rambo, they're middle aged family men with wives and children who they hope to stay alive for. You shouldn't expect men like that to go nuts and start murdering uniformed government officials. They're not those kind of men, because they're good men.

What you're describing is a young man's violent fantasy, or something from a Mel Gibson movie.
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Grown men don't do these things, partly because they have responsibilities, partly because they know nobody's got their back.
 
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Betonhaus said:
Does this mean that they are slowly getting an inkling that the war in Ukraine may have been royally fucked up and a waste of money and weapons?
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That and I suspect there will be Congressional hearings on 'How we lost Ukraine'. There are also rumors that the Ukraine Project might be the largest CIA op in history and hundreds of billions more in black money than we know about have been squandered there. I think Congress can only compel current employees to testify without going through the subpoena process so that might have something to do with it as well.

EDIT: I may be mistaking Congressional hearing participation with Inspector General investigations where only current employees can be compelled to cooperate.
 
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I noticed a lot of NPCs celebrating this article on Reddit and Twitter just because of the headline:
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On Tuesday, the European Commission presented a European Defence Industrial Strategy alongside a subsidy cash pot of at least €1.5 billion called the European Defence Investment Programme.

If member countries agree, it will mark the end of the post-Cold War peace dividend that saw military spending shrivel.
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Wew lad, they proposed spending €1.5 billion. Even if it passes that is nothing compared to the billion pumped to keep Ukraine on lifesupport.
They even admit this way further in the article:
While the European Defence Industrial Programme is expected to be worth at least €1.5 billion, much more will be needed if Brussels is serious about building up a competitive industrial complex. Ultimately, Europe needs €100 billion, according to Breton.

The €1.5 billion is "not a lot of money when it comes to the defense industry — but it can still work as an incentive, as a bonus, as what makes member states come together," admitted Commission Executive Vice President Margrethe Vestager.
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They are just floating random shit around with no real substance
But diplomats said that eurobonds are still a no-go for frugal nations such as Germany, the Netherlands or Nordic countries.

A debt-financed €100 billion cash pot as floated by Breton is "not in the cards," according to the senior EU diplomat, who added: "I also don’t see much room for additional money from the EU budget.”

But that could change in the event of a big external crisis.

Other ideas include groups of countries teaming up to jointly issue defense bonds; changing the rules for the European Investment Bank to allow it to invest in defense; and tweaking the EU's taxonomy for sustainable activities to explicitly include military projects.
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If this is the "European war machine" starting up I don't see it amounting to much.
 
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Sexual Chocolate said:
They're dragging 47 year old Dads off the streets.

These aren't guys who are suddenly gonna do a Rambo, they're middle aged family men with wives and children who they hope to stay alive for. You shouldn't expect men like that to go nuts and start murdering uniformed government officials. They're not those kind of men, because they're good men.

What you're describing is a young man's violent fantasy, or something from a Mel Gibson movie.
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Going to jail for refusing to fight sounds like a better choice than getting blown up.
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
That and I suspect there will be Congressional hearings on 'How we lost Ukraine'. There are also rumors that the Ukraine Project might be the largest CIA op in history and hundreds of billions more in black money than we know about have been squandered there. I think Congress can only compel current employees to testify without going through the subpoena process so that might have something to do with it as well.
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I remember a year or 2 ago FTX was laundering money to ukraine Via Crypto
 
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