Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Stupor Mario]

Did Camelot qualify for the Phoenix ARCA race? If there was qualifying, i assume it would have been today because I believe the race is tomorrow but I can't find anything about it.

I checked arcaracing.com, and Cody Dennison is listed on a March 5th posting of the Entry list: General Tire 150 at Phoenix Raceway. Car 06 sponsored by Karrus.

 

[Grunka Lunka]

I think Narwhal is out of Scivergate™ but still playing up the Ya Boi Zack connection and streaming with RenieDraws.

He's launched a new comic today
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Yeah. If I end up having extra money at the end of the month, I'm probably going to pick it up. I'm kind of whatever on the art. But having caught a couple of his talk about writing streams, he's got me a little curious. Could spend it on worse things, maybe. Just hope he doesn't turn out to have a hobo graveyard in his basement or is a kiddy diddler or something.

 

[Mister Dongs]

You’re never going to see CG reach those heights because as soon as someone does then an angry blue hair on Twitter will find a clip of them promoting their comic on a live stream and a “Comicsgate King” using a bunch of gamer words to appear edgy for super chats.

Being associated with CG is poison and the only way to move up from it would be to repent, go full SJW, and start producing their garbage.

Saying 'Comicsgate closes doors' sort of implies that there's an effort on the Comicsgaters' part to go through said doors, or even the absence of shrieking autistic resistance at the idea of someone going through the door and ruining it for everyone else.

Maybe a visual aid would help in making this point:

(left: Nerdrotic and FNT addressing attendees at the FNT panel at Megacon 2023)
(right: Frog and Alazmat attending South Jersey C.H.U.D. Comic-Con 23, held in scenic Swedesboro, New Jersey)

Despite the insurmountable hurdles that being Comicsgate allegedly confers, even a retard like Gabe Eltaeb is able to get on Fox News and shill his boomer Dean Cain worship comic. Chuck Dixon was able to talk Sylvester Stallone into handing access to Hollywood IPs like the Expendables and Rambo to some rando youtuber like Richard C Meyer. Eric July undoubtedly has a professional agent he was handed through his Blaze contacts who sets him up with productive interviews that give him reach and exposure, and I wouldn't be surprised if many of the FNT people do as well. Speaking generally however, if it doesn't involve lazy circlejerking on a group hangout stream Comicsgate isn't very interested in doing it. I remember when during the height of the Indiegogo blacklisting uprising Billy Tucci was offering to make some phone calls and get CG comics offered for distribution in actual comic shops like he did liquidating his overprint of Shi Omnibus. No takers. SJW interference is unnecessary.

Let's see what's going on on the latest JACK show:

 

[Fleetwood]

Yeah. If I end up having extra money at the end of the month, I'm probably going to pick it up. I'm kind of whatever on the art. But having caught a couple of his talk about writing streams, he's got me a little curious. Could spend it on worse things, maybe. Just hope he doesn't turn out to have a hobo graveyard in his basement or is a kiddy diddler or something.

Don't buy some crowdfunding bullshit. It will only piss you off when it takes years to get to you. Get them on ebay if at all. He could be some sort of toucher you can look into it I guess:

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[The Bovinian Derivative]

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>Marital Status
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I can feel the contempt emanating from this form, did Shinzo Abe code this?

 

[northstar747]

I m gonna ask a very stupid question

I ve been reading this thread off and on for like 6 years.

A bunch of old men who draw comics complain that the culture war sucks and makes the books suck.

They then go on to make their own super totally bad ass not gay comic books.

But then rather than do the drawing they just stream about how awful the cuture war is, they do campaigns wich are basically pre sales and dont deliever

then a nigger starts to make comic books and thats a problem?

whats the work flow for these books?

like write a scrip

Do the drawings

get the letter and and ink done

then before you go to the printer have the fucking campaign so its basically pre sales and then ship the book.

okay typing this out gets me to my big question are the followers of these asshole just para socail retards or comic book fans because I think comic book fans would want the fucking books

 

[The Bovinian Derivative]

okay typing this out gets me to my big question are the followers of these asshole just para socail retards or comic book fans because I think comic book fans would want the fucking books

There's a reason most CG channels and campaigns have either been stagnating over the years or slowly became smaller and smaller. For the followers probably a good chunk of the early crowd came about when people saw that instead of just complaining about the culture here we had people who could actually deliver something tangible besides YouTube rants, oh how naive we were. Nowadays it's mostly just the drama crowd with the book backers relegated to the abandoned comments sections of long overdue projects. Most artist need tardwranglers and this is what happens when there's none in sight.

 

[Tears In Rain]

I feel like I'm just as confused.
I never kept a close eye on this schism, but all of a sudden EVS has a vendetta against a black guy? I jumped into a TrashCast because it was in my suggestions and I was curious. And he's ranting on about who's a true comics artist, because he doesn't use programs to make backgrounds or cut corners. Whining about something about "anti-fans" and that Gorge R.R. Martin is right and a true artist even though the fat ass hasn't done shit for over a decade.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

I feel like I'm just as confused.
I never kept a close eye on this schism, but all of a sudden EVS has a vendetta against a black guy? I jumped into a TrashCast because it was in my suggestions and I was curious. And he's ranting on about who's a true comics artist, because he doesn't use programs to make backgrounds or cut corners. Whining about something about "anti-fans" and that Gorge R.R. Martin is right and a true artist even though the fat ass hasn't done shit for over a decade.

It's become really shameless. As someone pointed out a page or so ago EVS started out criticizing Youtubers and preaching how he was an actual artist just using Youtube because he had been silenced in his own field. Now that whole bit is memory-holed.

Also the only thing about EVS' books that aren't digital are the base ink outlines. He immediately scans those pages in digitally and sends the files to his colorist who paints in all the backgrounds 100% digitally. Then those files get sent digitally wherever for printing.

His beef with Eric July is that a true amateur beat the shit out of him at his own grift and that cannot be allowed to stand.

 

[Strix454]

okay typing this out gets me to my big question are the followers of these asshole just para socail retards or comic book fans because I think comic book fans would want the fucking books

There is certainly a parasocial component to the CG fandom. In the early days, there was alot of crossover from the fandom menace which in some cases brought into CG people who didn't care about comics at all but liked the streams for the same reasons they liked the fandom menace streams. They would often actually back or buy the comics, but not because they cared at all about the comics. It was about supporting the streamer. Testefy-HD was a good example of that sort of person.

The early CG "comics roast" content from certain streamers also sometimes brought in an audience that didn't care about comics but liked to listen to roast reviews of bad comics.

Also the only thing about EVS' books that aren't digital are the base ink outlines.

Even the base ink outlines often don't seem to survive the digital process used. Most of Ethan's effort in the inking is completely lost by the time the digital pages are produced. What is being done is way more than just coloring.

 

[Stupor Mario]

But then rather than do the drawing they just stream about how awful the cuture war is, they do campaigns wich are basically pre sales and dont deliever

In the beginning (five or so years ago) I think these guys were very fired up and sincere about creating an alternative comic scene not policed by woke censorship that has completely taken over the mainstream comics. But the problem is there's a big difference in a dream and in the reality of running a business. To be successful in business, you need a strong work ethic.

No offence to artists, but a lot of them are lazy and easily distracted. With money and attention rolling in combined with the fact that there were no editors breathing down their necks, discipline started going out the window for a lot of these CG guys. They started fucking around. They gave into their hedonistic impulses. A lot of them are middle-aged and would rather just coast now than get their books done.

EJ is in his early 30s and has a lot more energy and ambition than these aging CG artists. He wants to create and produce more than some of these guys who already have a past career.

 

[Fleetwood]

Ethan created Eric July's Rippaverse success with his own neglect. Book a year capeslop is meager and generic but it looks uber productive and exciting next to book every 5 years overworked frogslop.

 

[Wooper]

I have another perspective as a secret comic book enjoyer. Ethan Van Sciver and others like him are good artists or maybe good authors. Being a good artist doesn't you are a good businessman or good at management. That's why I think alot of the malice towards Eric July comes from. This literal who was able to put out a comic and maybe it doesn't have the best art or story, but it exists and it's successful because there is an audience who is ready to support alternative comic creators. On top of that Eric is able to still manage his YouTube channel, family life, circle of friends & his public image.
I know Ethan has worked in the industry and can draw a mean Sinestro, is he able to calling a publishing company to print his dang books though?

 

[Strix454]

I know Ethan has worked in the industry and can draw a mean Sinestro, is he able to calling a publishing company to print his dang books though?

Printing is not what makes Ethan's comics so slow. What makes Ethan so slow is that it takes him two to three weeks to do a single page of art.

As far as the rest of it goes, the first Cyberfrog comic was printed and fulfilled (in secret) by Dynamite Comics. He literally at first did call up a publishing company and have them do everything.

 

[FluffyJackal]

But the clash between Jeremy of G+G and EVS on the High Council is what started the whole feud that is still running today.

This was the point of no return where the feud went from simmering tension to permanent battle lines. Drugs or no drugs, EVS was speaking his true thoughts. At the time, EVS's ego was riding high on initial Cyberfrog success, and thought he was unstoppable (as opposed to now when he's ridiculously late on multiple projects and facing customer backlash).

This, exactly this.... it must be taken into account that at the time of the "zeroes" remark, CG was still riding high but FNT seemed to have been dealt a fatal blow because of the Zach Snyder put down. Van Sciver saw a chance to make fun of what appeared to be a lost cause and burned a bridge instead.

EVS probably always disliked the idea of going serious like FNT because he knew he wouldn't find a special place within the group. His area of expertise is comics, which is an ever shrinking slice of the pop culture pie. At best he would occupy the place of a weatherman in a tv news program: after the important news, you give your two minute forecast so we may then focus back on the anchors the rest of the time. Even if he was well liked and respected by the FNT kids, they probably wouldn't know what to do with a guy who knows fuck-all about games, manga, non Star Wars films, anime, etc. and is dead set on not learning.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

EVS probably always disliked the idea of going serious like FNT because he knew he wouldn't find a special place within the group. His area of expertise is comics, which is an ever shrinking slice of the pop culture pie. At best he would occupy the place of a weatherman in a tv news program: after the important news, you give your two minute forecast so we may then focus back on the anchors the rest of the time. Even if he was well liked and respected by the FNT kids, they probably wouldn't know what to do with a guy who knows fuck-all about games, manga, non Star Wars films, anime, etc. and is dead set on not learning.

I think his dislike for the original FNT show he was a part of was that he felt the others were all beneath him. There he was, an established professional in the industry they all worshipped while none of them had actually done anything with their lives except consume the product he'd been shitting out for 20 years. He had no respect for them and just saw them as a means to an end (farming their audience for new customers). He sees his own Youtube audience the same way.

 

[ExGater]

whats the work flow for these books?

like write a scrip

Do the drawings

get the letter and and ink done

then before you go to the printer have the fucking campaign so its basically pre sales and then ship the book.

okay typing this out gets me to my big question are the followers of these asshole just para socail retards or comic book fans because I think comic book fans would want the fucking books

You would actually be surprised by the amount of work that goes into making a simple 24 page comic. Shit, all of us are when we do it for the first time. We bust our asses to make those comics and bust them even more promoting the damn things, but it's a labor of love and it's the backers who make it possible for us, which is why we appreciate the fuck out of them. And we don't complain: it's a job, but it's a FUN job. Anybody who complains about it should get slapped in the face with a thousand dicks.

We do the work, get the books to backers, and use what money we make (you'd be surprised how little that is after printing and shipping) on the next book. Sometimes life happens, straight up disasters and brutal family tragedies, so sometimes our books are late. We keep our backers up to date and give explanations, but we DON'T MAKE EXCUSES.

However, now matter how hard life hits us, it NEVER takes us THREE YEARS to get our books out. Usually it takes about 6-8 months max... and that gets us into DEEP SHIT with @FROG.

Here's the deal:

EVS will cancel your ass for getting books out and into the hands of backers in a timely fashion. It makes him look bad.

#CANCELPIG Jon Malin will cancel you if you're more talented than him (which isn't saying much) and he feels threatened by you.

A subtle difference to be sure, but it's all about the same thing: taking out the competition. And, like I've said, they have done this to a LOT of people, and those people have not forgotten. Even if they have evidence of this fuckery, they have to keep it to themselves lest they get themselves into even DEEPER shit with the #CGCANCELPIGS and their goons.

When I was teasing DMs (which, once again, I was admittedly a certifiable fag for doing) I honestly wasn't even really thinking of mine. The ones I have are pretty damning, but NOTHING compared to what is waiting to get dropped on Ethan and @CANCELPIG Malin's heads. The resentment towards them from countless indie creators is YUGE.

 

[northstar747]

We do the work, get the books to backers, and use what money we make (you'd be surprised how little that is after printing and shipping) on the next book.

so how are there so many online manga shit or web comics?

 

[The Bovinian Derivative]

so how are there so many online manga shit or web comics?

Even your noname web mangaka redraw their work when they want to publish the web stuff as a physical book, at least the one's I've come across. Before Adam Post I wouldn't have guessed that people would just 1-to-1 publish a webcomic as physical unless it's a strip based work.

 

[Captain Manning]

Lap times of the General Tire 150 are live here:

https://www.arcaracing.com/race-center-ams/

Also includes live audio.

Open practice is supposedly going on now. I am occasionally glancing at the lap times. As of this post, I don't think Coomy has taken the track yet.

Ethan created Eric July's Rippaverse success with his own neglect. Book a year capeslop is meager and generic but it looks uber productive and exciting next to book every 5 years overworked frogslop.

It's a bit of a wonder this didn't happen sooner. It feels like it easily could have. July really didn't have to do much to shake things up. Only put out a product on-time that sold really well. It didn't even have to be particuarly good.

I imagine Iconic didn't have the same effect as Rippaverse because Iconic was mainly courting the weeb audience that is less interested in America style comic books to begin with.