Can I get more details on government and church involvement here? All the news stories I could find discussed the allegations against her, not against those that helped her.
I do not possess any ability to discover that, if any such documents exist, for a multitude of reasons. Instead, it's more like...
That’s my impression too. Mormons keep records on their membership, such as calling and Stake. It may be possible to query these records. I’d like to see which of them have already been excommunicated - or if they’re using their position of authority as top-cover. Utah has a bit of a rich “old boys” corruption problem. As an example, Mike Leavitt famously used his position as governor to fire all the members of our fish and wildlife commission to hide the fact that his family owned a hatchery that poised our local fish population.
YES, thank you for putting this in terms I couldn't because waking up from poor sleep and nightmares fucking sucks.
OTOH, I'm not really here for Mormon Apologia, I'm here to help the kids still in these places, and IDGAF about collateral damage. The state and the church should have acted by now.
Be it the church itself through the apparatus of its leadership and its involvement with the state, or, just a faction of corrupt pedophile child traffickers, using the church as cover, there are a lot of really big rats, and I really only care to see them locked up or buried.
For what its worth,
I am not saying "every single Mormon is a fucking pedo trafficker" any more than every catholic was in light of the priests being shuffled around. It's the institution, some part of it. They need their reckoning. All of the big profile critics coming out would indicate some sort of systemic issues are at play that need to be addressed: Tara Westover, Sam Young, Tyler Glenn, John Dehlin? This doesn't just come from thin air dude.
Shit, why did this lead to such a huge settlement? Corrupt powerful assholes who aren't being held to account by those below them, who prey on children and get fucking rich off of it!
Get the good ol' boys out to pasture already. Or maybe up against a wall? I'm happy either way.
The issue is Floodlit returns zero results for Cheryl Sudweeks:
My brother in Christ, be he Mormon Jesus or any other sort,
Cheryl was not acting as an agent or officer of the church when she raped those kids. She is a Mormon with money who opened up a scam program after buying an old mansion and some horses. She neglected the horses and raped kids. I don't have the energy or endurance to slog through the old Fornits posts, but if you do a search for zip ties (or zipties or zip-ties) and look at Joyce Harris's posts, many just signed without being signed in (this was the oughts, shit was different) you can start putting the picture together. Same with the affidavits.
Not that it means much, but Joyce personally told me a lot about what that creep did to kids, not that it matters, it's all over Fornits. It's a bit personal since I not only knew Joyce but Cheryl was the first well known abuser and rapist who rose above the level of the program in-itself. When Alexa talked about being groomed, I was yelling "AND THERE'S THE FUCKING CHERYL!" out loud. Fortunately for us, she's a spastic Gen-X bitch, and easily provoked into screeching and sneeding all over a keyboard.
Hi, Cheryl Sudweeks. I didn't fucking forget what you did. You can't get anything taken down off this website, especially from Canada. Why not come back to the USA to defend yourself, you cunt hag shebitch?
Likewise, all you would see is what she was charged with if the records were not expunged or kept in the first place. You might see what she plead to, but again, I included links to the charges for a fucking reason, because shit was covered up within the system that enables these rich pedophiles.
Rich Pedos are real, and they're in Utah. I would be fucking shocked if Epstein didn't get any girls from one of these places, for that matter. Fuck him too, right in the lowest pit of hell.
The abuses of these places are extremely well-known among anyone who spends any significant time around "troubled teens" and have been for a really long time. Hopefully this isn't too much of a powerlevel, but I've known a number of people who came through these places as long ago as the early aughts and they were generally very open about what happens there. It's just that once the label of "troubled teen" is slapped on someone everyone assumes they're lying or exaggerating. Whatever behavior they were sent for would superficially improve when a child was returned because they were terrified beyond belief of being sent back and the parent would view this as the program "working." But man oh man were those kids traumatized.
There was one girl in particular who was well-known for embarrassing oversharing about every aspect of her life. Periods, sex, giant dumps she took, every stray thought in her head, you could not get this girl to shut up. But if you asked her about her time in "residential therapy" she would get really, really quiet and the only thing she would say about it was that it was the worst thing that ever happened to her.
It makes me so, so angry when people who send their kids away to these places act like there is no way they could have known. Anyone who listened knew, and that's been the case for a very long time.
She was programmed to do so. It's not emphasized in the doc that well, and I doubt it really could have short of it being the Schindler's List of programs here, but programs make a big deal about prying someone's head and heart open. You have to admit everything, and once you run out of things to admit, you make shit up.
Hence why Alexa was "crackwhore", as much as orbiting Amy after being groomed given how broken she was as a child in that godforsaken place. God I fucking hate Amy and John.
FWIW, if you still know people, and they want to post here anonymously, would you have them come here? If there's ever a time to do it, it's fucking now. KF is hardened in a way that it has never been before, Null has support including financial, and we actually believe in free fucking speech.
To everyone else, can I PLEASE ask you to stop giving WhelperHelper attention here? Can we please stay on topic given what the fuck this is supposed to be about?
This is distilled retardation. Do you think every Mormon who lives in Utah is a demon? The obvious answer is WWASPS have managed to operate under the radar here. I am a fedora-tipping atheist who left the church in the 2010’s and would’ve jumped at the chance to rub this in their faces if I’d known about it a decade ago and I am extensively familiar with the church’s dirty laundry.
I don't want to pick a fight with another Kiwi, I want to make this a teachable moment.
There is no way this was under the radar. There have been allegations and lawsuits for decades. There has been tons and tons and money donated to local politicians by Teen Help, one of the umbrellas that was set up for Robert Lichfield. If this ever becomes a RICO case it will be something fucking epic, to put it lightly.
These wealthy, connected men were absolutely on the radar because of how much money they shoveled into powerful pockets. It's been suppressed by various means, yes, and not entirely at the state level - Ashcroft, for those old enough to remember, bitched out and said "uh... jurisdiction!" when one of Rep. George Miller's investigations got big enough he
asked.
There's also the 2008 GAO report. Congress had a fucking report on this shit, and given the time, compared it to Abu Ghraib. If people didn't know, it's because they chose not to, or were derelict in their duties; if they flew under the radar, someone forgot to turn it on or look at the screen.
This is too big and too widespread and too much of an open secret.
