Trashfire WPATH Medical Documents Leak

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I know this is comment is going straight to the garbage. But so far it's a big nothing burger.

It's like oh they still commit suicide after transition... guess it doesn't work. But no one likes trannies. How could they not commit suicide?

And it just bothers me that both sides are like this. The medical complex looking for ways to make more money and the anti troon shit posters who want troons to commit suicide as if they were spaghetti.
 
Maybe "Erin" Anthony Reed is a True and Honest Woman, because he's reacting to this leak like a histrionic bitch. He's dodging all accountability for "his people" and pulling every excuse from the book. Why does he feel the need to justify why minors should be able to consent to permanent medical disfiguration? 🤔
Erin is, if we use the estimated time period from the documents, still in the honeymoon phase. Although considering he lives on twitter shouting at everyone who he comes across it’s pretty obvious how deeply unhappy he is.
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If transitioning works, and saves lives, why isn’t he living his life now he’s his true and honest self? All the screenshots from him I’ve seen are just the same. I give him 3 years before he an heros or detransitions. While he’s balls deep in the cult he won’t change.

I haven’t ventured into his thread but I’m sure he fits the mtf norm; porn sick, Reddit obsessed, sissy fetish, autistic. I bet he even owns knee high striped socks.

More yt vids on this have come out, but the views are abysmally low. Some news sites have put out articles too. The tranny cult screaming about it probably helps more than the news sites tbh, their blatant disregard for the health and wellbeing of others has always been present but they aren’t even hiding the fact that they want children to be victims. Disregard the transness and ask anyone if doctors should talk like this, if they’d be happy for someone they know to receive treatment from them. All would recoil in disgust.
 
I'm kind of surprised that this has gotten some mentions in relatively mainstream media. Some, not many, but more than I thought it would.


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That's why I jumped on The Guardian link. I'm shocked they're actually talking about it.

This is a good thing. Pro-tranny rebuttals (archive) on The Social Media Platform Formerly Known as Twitter have their comments shut off, gender-critical spreaders of the leak (archive) have open comments and mostly respectful dialogue. The emperor has no clothes, and normal people are realizing that everyone else can also see his atrophied girldick flapping in the breeze.
 
I believe they are referring to "the eunuch archives", linked by WPATH on their website, possibly still, certainly in the past and it remains as a reference in some of their pdfs.

I'll let you look both the site and the files up yourself.
Not just on their website, but within their most important and official guidelines on transgender healthcare.
And looking at WPATH's own website their SoC 8 do in fact cite and link the Eunuch Archive on page 90 under Chapter 9 Eunuchs. Link
The current President of WPATH, Dr. Marci Bowers, is aware of the Eunuch Archive's reputation, yet he refuses to have it removed along with the sick fucks who put it in the SoC.
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The Guardian has an article on it now.

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That's why I jumped on The Guardian link. I'm shocked they're actually talking about it.
Oh it's not just a Guardian link. The less pro trans team won out this one because that's an article by Hannah Barnes, who a cursory search of her name on Kiwi Farms shows is not a friend to the trans activist sorts.

Not just that but it's a damn scathing article, poking holes in the claims that WPATH has nothing to do with UK policy.

The medical transitioning of children has become one of the most controversial and polarising issues of our time. For some, it is a medical scandal. For others, life-saving treatment.

So, when hundreds of messages were leaked from an internal forum of doctors and mental health workers from the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, it was bound to spark interest. WPATH describes itself as an “interdisciplinary professional and educational organisation devoted to transgender health”. Most significantly, it produces standards of care (SOC) which, it claims, articulate “professional consensus” about how best to help people with gender dysphoria.


Despite its grand title, WPATH is neither solely a professional body – a significant proportion of its membership are activists – nor does it represent the “world” view on how to care for this group of people. There is no global agreement on best practice. The leaked messages (and the odd recording) – dubbed the WPATH files – are disturbing. In one video, doctors acknowledge that patients are sometimes too young to fully understand the consequences of puberty blockers and hormones for their fertility. “It’s always a good theory that you talk about fertility preservation with a 14-year-old, but I know I’m talking to a blank wall,” one Canadian endocrinologist says.

WPATH’s president, Dr Marci Bowers, comments on the impact of early blocking of puberty on sexual function in adulthood. “To date,” she writes, “I’m unaware of an individual claiming ability to orgasm when they were blocked at Tanner 2.” Tanner stage 2 is the beginning of puberty. It can be as young as nine in girls.

Elsewhere, there are extraordinary discussions on how to manage “trans clients” with dissociative identity disorder (what used to be called multiple personality disorder) when “not all the alters have the same gender identity”. Surgeons talk about procedures that result in bodies that don’t exist in nature: those with both sets of genitals – the “phallus-preserving vaginoplasty”; double mastectomies that don’t have nipples; “nullification” surgery, where there are no genitals at all, just smooth skin. And doctors discuss the possibility that 16-year-old patients have liver cancer as the result of taking hormones. The problem is not necessarily the discussions themselves, but that the organisation is not so open when speaking publicly.

The views of WPATH matter to the UK. For years, the organisation and its SOC have been cited as a source of “best practice” for trans healthcare by numerous medical bodies, including the British Medical Association and the General Medical Council – and still is. The Royal College of Psychiatrists refers to WPATH in its own recommendations for care.

The problem is not necessarily the discussions themselves, but that the organisation is not so open when speaking publicly
Most relevant is that WPATH is cited as “good practice” in the current service specifications underpinning youth and adult gender clinics in England and Scotland, albeit in both cases it is WPATH’s previous SOC that is mentioned. The most recent version does away with all age limits from the beginning of puberty for hormones and surgical interventions, other than female to male genital surgery, and contains a chapter on eunuchs.

Several staff at England’s NHS adult gender clinics are not just members of WPATH (one is the former president), but authors of that current SOC. So too was Susie Green, the former boss of the young people’s charity Mermaids; a lack of medical expertise does not exclude either membership of WPATH or the power to influence policy.

England’s only NHS children’s gender clinic – the Gender Identity Development Service (Gids) at London’s Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust – will close its doors at the end of March, having been earmarked for closure since July 2022. But the 2016 service specification still underpinning Gids states that “the service will be delivered in line with” WPATH 7. While Gids was generally more cautious than other WPATH practitioners, clinicians I spoke to for my book, Time to Think, also relayed how young people claiming to have multiple personalities, or who identified with another race, could be referred for puberty blockers.

Gids staff have also presented at WPATH conferences for the past decade, including the most recent, held in 2022. This doesn’t imply agreement with WPATH’s principles, but association with the group becomes harder to justify as its views become more extreme.

It is difficult to see how the Department of Health’s assertion that NHS England “moved away from WPATH guidelines more than five years ago” holds.

What is true is that there is no mention of WPATH in updated guidance that will underpin the new youth gender services opening on 1 April. What’s more, NHS England has made it clear that WPATH’s views are irrelevant to its core recommendation that puberty blockers will no longer be available as part of routine clinical practice.

There is a battle raging over how best to care for children and young people struggling with their gender identity, with ever increasing numbers of European countries choosing to take a more cautious, less medical, approach after finding the evidence base underpinning those treatments to be wanting. NHS England insists that new services will operate in accordance with recommendations of the independent Cass review, and that it is well placed to develop policies “in line with clinical evidence and expertise”. But it won’t be easy. There is already discussion among professionals working in gender services planning a pushback against Cass’s as yet unpublished final recommendations.

It was difficult for Gids to stand up to external pressures, allowing the care it offered to suffer. At the same time, NHS England failed in its duty to provide proper oversight. Both they and those in charge of the new services must do better if they are to avoid the mistakes of the past. Without proper, evidence-based guidance on what good practice looks like, organisations like WPATH will continue to have influence.
 
This is more like insulin shock therapy in how trans patients are given preferential treatment. People who were getting insulin therapy would be treated better than any other psychiatric patient.
Though anecdotal I can tell you in my experience as a T1D this is not true, I went into a 72 hour hold (voluntary), the attending Dr literally did not understand that I was insulin dependent, and the retarded nurses almost killed me twice, and then tried to hold me for two weeks claiming that I purposefully misled them to try and get them to kill me by withholding, or overdosing me with Insulin.
 
Though anecdotal I can tell you in my experience as a T1D this is not true, I went into a 72 hour hold (voluntary), the attending Dr literally did not understand that I was insulin dependent, and the retarded nurses almost killed me twice, and then tried to hold me for two weeks claiming that I purposefully misled them to try and get them to kill me by withholding, or overdosing me with Insulin.
I was referring to an old attempt at treating mental illness that involved putting patients into insulin comas. It had nothing to do with diabetes. Hope those nurses got fired at some point. Or stepped on a rusty nail.
 
not because there is inherent unbreakable connection between the two.
I'm not suggesting there's an 'inherent unbreakable connection between the two', there's just a correlation. Open societies in which one has the right to free expression are obviously going to be more tolerant of both gays and trannies.

Globally, on average, it is much more acceptable to be a tranny.
No, I don't really think that's true at all. In most places where one is unacceptable, the other is equally unacceptable. In fact, you're much more likely to get your ass beat if you dress as a woman because you stand out more. And even in Western societies there are plenty of people (like me) who are completely fine with gays, but who are very much not fine with troons. Because they're creepy and weird.
 
The SRS thread on the farms is an excellent resource of images and testimonies of trans people. If the thread could be shared outside of the farms say as links in comment sections, shared within friend groups etc, it could reach regular people who are being lied to.

The main problem with linking to Kiwi (besides people seeing the site as a "boogeyman" and everything others have already mentioned) is that people...have really bad Opsec.
We have veteran posters here who are caught after being active here for 5+ years who have been doxed and found because they revealed too much about themselves (Madre Muerte and that Zedd Olsen(?) guy come to mind).

Now, I can't judge the normies you know IRL, but the ones I know would absolutely sign up with their real names/unique usernames, debate people here (trans rights are human rights, that kind of thing), get doxed and be afraid and confused that their public info is being compiled, then hate the site and everything on it. The few people I've linked Kiwi to I've had to tell them MULTIPLE times to never make an account because of it.
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Kiwifarms has a HARD normie learning curve. Not to mention simply seeing "N-words" and the like would make them hate the site too. God forbid they explore and go into A&N, they'd actually think this site is full of batshit crazy child/woman hating freaks from them alone.
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It would need to be completely normie-proof for average people to listen. Hell, I've even met Kiwifarmers in IRL and we don't even share our usernames. People I know would probably put it in their Caard or something. *sigh* If only the average person knew this was just a site of people looking at/documenting weirdos on the internet and not some elaborate scheme to start the trannycaust. Peaking would come a lot easier.
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However, it does make me wonder. Does anyone know of any sources that do keep track of a lot of these major trans discussion that anyone can access? We have plenty of organizations like Women's Liberation Front, Gays against Groomers, Libs of Tic Tok, etc but is there an actual place that this content is compiled and kept neatly together? I suppose any that might exist would just be labeled "far right fascist groups" like all those beforehand. It's so odd to me trans discussions as a whole aren't allowed. That alone should be enough to make people question it more. Imagine if heart surgeries, organ transplants, skin grafts, or even unique dermatology procedures couldn't be discussed because it could "discourage" people from seeking those treatments by being more educated on them and understanding potential long-term issues that may arise.
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Discussion and education about surgery and medications is one of the most important aspects to consider in both short/long term health. Opioids aren't given like candy anymore for a reason. One day people will understand the affects of puberty blockers and hormones, one medical leak and detrans story at a time
 
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The main problem with linking to Kiwi (besides people seeing the site as a "boogeyman" and everything others have already mentioned) is that people...have really bad Opsec.
We have veteran posters here who are caught after being active here for 5+ years who have been doxed and found because they revealed too much about themselves (Madre Muerte and that Zedd Olsen(?) guy come to mind).

Thankfully it's not even necessary to link the site, just the information we gathered.
 
The current President of WPATH, Dr. Marci Bowers, is aware of the Eunuch Archive's reputation, yet he refuses to have it removed along with the sick fucks who put it in the SoC.
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Total non-sequitur. That people like Mark Bowers are allowed to see patients (much less cut into them) is a scandal in and of itself.
 
Horrifying thought:

>Go to hospital for life-saving surgery
>Member of medical staff doesn't like you
>Goes into your medical files
>Changes your upcoming surgery to include or be replaced by sex change
>Act of spite
>Wake up in hospital bed
>Notice severe pain in crotch
>Feel around to find stink ditch / necrotic mushroom
>Yell at medical staff
>"It clearly says here you wanted the sex change"
>"Oopsie doodle, we made a fucky wucky, pwease no sue, uWu"

This is why it is common medical practice (IIRC) to make sure what surgery is going to happen verbally with the patient before putting them under.

IIRC they also mark your body with a sharpie to outline where to cut/not cut you.

Doctors used to have nightmare avoidance down like a science, it’s a shame that has faded.
 
I know this is comment is going straight to the garbage. But so far it's a big nothing burger.

It's like oh they still commit suicide after transition... guess it doesn't work. But no one likes trannies. How could they not commit suicide?

And it just bothers me that both sides are like this. The medical complex looking for ways to make more money and the anti troon shit posters who want troons to commit suicide as if they were spaghetti.
So, do you support medical 'transition' as an actual therapy for these people, or no? I don't buy the fencesitting, it sure seems like you lean toward it working. You don't cure a dysphoria by giving into what they think they 'want' just like you don't give an alcoholic more booze. It causes much more damage than actually fixing the problem. Trans are killing themselves by either being AGPs, thus not 'actually' trans, having been peer pressured or body shamed to the point of destruction as I'd argue most pooners are, it's just another, more extreme form of Bulimia or Anorexia, and/or realizing that all they've done when they've begun the medical procedures is irreversibly fucking their body up, even if they 'just' did hormones or 'just' did puberty blockers. None of these things are free of harm.
 
Why does he feel the need to justify why minors should be able to consent to permanent medical disfiguration?
tony's ex-wife had to take him a court so he'd stop stealing her clothes to jack off in.

to paraphrase logan roy, he's not a serious person. everything he says is functionally invalidated by his retardation.
 
I know this is comment is going straight to the garbage. But so far it's a big nothing burger.

It's like oh they still commit suicide after transition... guess it doesn't work. But no one likes trannies. How could they not commit suicide?

And it just bothers me that both sides are like this. The medical complex looking for ways to make more money and the anti troon shit posters who want troons to commit suicide as if they were spaghetti.
What exactly does their supposedly high suicide rate have to do with doctors continuing treatment despite clearly not receiving informed consent? The point of reveling in this leak and spreading is to take the wind out of the zeitgeist's sail and U-turn back to Pre2012land, not to encourage suicide.

I don't want troons to kill themselves (god knows that would be a silver lining if they actually did at the rate they claim they do), I just want them to shut the fuck up, to keep their crossdressing within the walls of their own home, to stop indoctrinating stranger's kids as part of their fetish, and to stop threatening suicide when things don't go their way. They made their bed (did irreversible damage to their bodies and alienated every personal relationship they had), they need to lay in it (accept that their "experts" lied to them and spend the rest of their days touching grass, at least 1,000 yards from any park or school).
 
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