Press release: “Incels” need mental health support rather than a counter terrorism intervention, the world’s largest study of Incels finds (accessible

Link: https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...rlds-largest-study-of-incels-finds-accessible

A ground-breaking study has discovered the complex relationship between mental health, a shared worldview and the social networking of involuntary celibate (incel) communities.

The Commission for Countering Extremism (CCE) commissioned the Swansea University Research on the Incel Community (SURIC) to produce this report. This is the largest global study of incels to date.

Key findings:​

• The answer to the incel phenomenon is more closely aligned to mental health support than counter terrorism interventions.
• Mental Health: Incels typically display extremely poor mental health, with high incidences of depression and suicidal thoughts (one in three incels contemplated suicide every day for the past two weeks). They are also more likely to be neurodivergent, with a higher likelihood of diagnosis for autism spectrum disorder.
• Attitudes and Beliefs: Participants perceived high levels of victimhood, anger, and misogyny. They acknowledged a shared worldview among incels which includes identifying feminists as a primary enemy. They also identified the political (far) left, wider society and women as enemies.
• Approval of violence: There exists a small cohort (5%) who ‘endorse the use of violence to defend their community. When asked if they justify violence against people that incels perceive as causing harm to them, 5% of respondents said ‘Often’. Around 20% said “Sometimes”.
• Political beliefs: Many commentators have suggested a link between incels and the far right. However, this survey found that incels were politically centre-left on average. The exception was the 5% who agreed that violence against individuals that that cause incels harm is often justified; these individuals were politically centre-right.
• Predicting harm: Mental Health and adoption of incel Ideology were significantly more likely to predict the development of harmful views than Social Networking (time spent on social network sites, amount of interaction with others, content generation, and exposure to radical people and content).

Commissioner for Countering Extremism, Robin Simcox said:

What incels truly think and believe has been the source of consistent speculation and conjecture. However, all of us – including those who work in counter extremism – should be led by the evidence.
This study is the most exhaustive research into incels yet and provides a major challenge to conventional wisdoms on the topic. It is no surprise to see the authors uncovered alarming and unacceptable attitudes of misogyny and hatred towards women from incels.
However, the report’s findings suggest that adopting a security or counter-terrorism lens towards incels is not often going to be the most appropriate response. Neither is scaremongering about them forming part of a global Extreme Right Wing threat.
Where there is a risk of violence, the appropriate authorities must always be informed. However, finding ways to ensure this desperate, depressed cohort of men, often with poor mental health, are integrated into society and given appropriate support should also be a key part of any response.

Notes to editors​

• Predicting Harm Among Incels (Involuntary Celibates): The Roles of Mental Health, Ideological Belief and Social Networking will be published on the CCE website at 9am on Thursday 15 February.
• This research was published as part of the CCE’s ‘Rethinking Extremism’ series, to present innovative and thought-provoking research to government, counter-extremism professionals, and the wider public. It forms part of a wider CCE approach to providing advice and scrutiny to government on the approaches needed to counter extremism.
• The research was undertaken by Dr Joe Whittaker, Dr Andrew G. Thomas and William Costello from the Swansea University Research on the Incel Community (SURIC).
• For further information, please contact info@counteringextremism.gov.uk

 

[MadStan]

A study that finds a group successfully diagnosed as being mentally ill; and then fails to address at all why they have fallen ill, is a worthless study.

 

[Odd Opossum]

Anyone who has interacted with incels, or just guys who have issues with women in general, knows for every dude who just needs some confidence, there's 10 more who are bitter gremlins who feel like the world owes them everything. I see no reason why society should bend over backwards to deal with these guys beyond making sure they aren't going to kill someone.

 

[The REAL Hatsune Miku]

Anyone who has interacted with incels, or just guys who have issues with women in general, knows for every dude who just needs some confidence, there's 10 more who are bitter gremlins who feel like the world owes them everything. I see no reason why society should bend over backwards to deal with these guys beyond making sure they aren't going to kill someone.

But ohhh think of the poor men who are depressed and hate women for not having sex with them, it's so unfair because they're entitled to finding love and romance. Lol

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

Wow instead of demonizing lonely lost men we try to help them? Who ever would of thought of that.

Read this bellow

Anyone who has interacted with incels, or just guys who have issues with women in general, knows for every dude who just needs some confidence, there's 10 more who are bitter gremlins who feel like the world owes them everything. I see no reason why society should bend over backwards to deal with these guys beyond making sure they aren't going to kill someone.

Second this i would go as far as giving them the peaceful exit bag/ kit. They are miserable creatures that look for spreading more misery in the world. Lead pills only .

 

[Shark Senpai]

The meat of the movie is him realizing in his office job or wagie hell he's a grown man who hasn't lived at all.

Makes me think of The Secret life of Walter Mitty

 

[Megaton Punch]

I will also note that when individuals have the same problems across an entire society on a macro scale, it is a reflection on that society and not the individual.

Here's a thunk for my friends at the thunderdome: does this rule apply to violent minority groups? Can they be fixed by addressing their culture?

 

[Bungdit Din]

Here's a thunk for my friends at the thunderdome: does this rule apply to violent minority groups? Can they be fixed by addressing their culture?

No. It's genetic. Just like niggers are obsolete farm equipment and incapable of adapting to modern technological society, so too are incels (essentially the average guy, these days) redundant. Their respective cultures reflect (even celebrate) their irrelevance and uselessness, rather than cause it.

The whole incel pickle is caused by women's choices. Nothing will be fixed until that goes away.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

The whole incel pickle is caused by women's choices. Nothing will be fixed until that goes away

So takeaway women's choices is that what are you saying?

 

[Bungdit Din]

So takeaway women's choices is that what are you saying?

If you want to solve the incel conundrum, yes. Functioning civilization - in other words, one that men have a stake in maintaining - or unrestricted hypergamy; pick one. No-one actually wants to help incels, though, let alone prevent societal collapse. This bitch ain't got no brakes.

Edit: MATI, @MasterBaiter ? High as fuck right now, fyi. So, no. Numb at the Internet, or Puzzle Pieces would be much more appropriate. But the choice remains: seething incels, or seething wahmens. Someone's going to lose. Wouldn't worry; society will always choose comfort and convenience for women (in the West, anyway) above throwing any kind of bone to the menz. Don't get mad at me for pointing it out.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Anyone who has interacted with incels, or just guys who have issues with women in general, knows for every dude who just needs some confidence, there's 10 more who are bitter gremlins who feel like the world owes them everything. I see no reason why society should bend over backwards to deal with these guys beyond making sure they aren't going to kill someone.

Why? I can tell you why. Because when you have a bunch of lonely, single men who can't get girlfriends or get married, society collapses. Sure, not all at once but eventually it does when there are enough of them. Right now, marriage as an institution is collapsing for the first time in thousands of years. If you sit these men down who want nothing other than love and loyalty and tell them they're wrong, don't be surprised when they want to systematically burn it all down and burn YOU down with it.

You really can tell who people are by how they treat those they view beneath them. Sure, there are winners and losers in society and life. But ideally that balance is 80-20. Right now, it's 60-40. You cannot sustain a society where women flock to only the top tier of men and turn themselves into concubines.

So takeaway women's choices is that what are you saying?

Yes. Majority of young women choose to date awful men. Who do they choose? Niggers. Gangsters. Hood rats. Chads. Tyrones. The guys who have choices and options that aren't them. Sometimes they don't even do it because they like them. Sometimes they just do it so some other bitch can't have them.

What happened when their father's picked their husbands? Doctors. Scientists. Merchants. Men with prospects. Men with good heads on their shoulders. Not criminals. Not dangerous men. Not men who are going bang them and leave. Women's choice in men has been disastrous for society and I'm tired of you faggots trying to blame it on the men.

 

[Bugman's Burden]

What happened when their father's picked their husbands? Doctors. Scientists. Merchants. Men with prospects. Men with good heads on their shoulders. Not criminals. Not dangerous men. Not men who are going bang them and leave. Women's choice in men has disastrous for society.

Yeah I was talking with a young woman, like 22, who said “I won’t date guys on the upswing. Forget the med student. I want a guy who already has his fortune.”

So a guy looks at that and thinks, “Why go to school for 12 years to be a doctor? Why not just become a woo Ketamine dealer and fuck all day? It’s barely even a crime to sell drugs anymore.”

Another less ambitious guy looks at it and thinks, “Why bother at all? Average height + average wage = a crumb of pussy. So why not just NEET and COOM and have 40 hours a week to work on my Fortnite game?”

So society gets distilled into fewer guys who fuck more and a larger group who just tunes out. The only disagreement we have is: I don’t think these guys will ever cause a collapse or even rock the boat. They’re too anesthetized and there’s a massive interest in keeping them so.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

So society gets distilled into fewer guys who fuck more and a larger group who just tunes out. The only disagreement we have is: I don’t think these guys will ever cause a collapse or even rock the boat.

Well there's two facets to that. One. They'll do it through their lack of ambition alone. The women who get left in the dust because they go NEET and MGTOW don't just magically vanish and sugar Daddy's money dries up eventually. All those women are going to be a drain on society because they won't be able to work as hard and won't want to. They're going to flock to Daddy Government and collect as many gibs as possible. The lack of children causes a population crisis. The lack of ambition, causes a competency crisis. You see the thing is, ambition doesn't come from yourself. It comes from need. No need. No responsibility. No ambition. No skills. Society can't fill its needed workers and degrades.

Second facet is very simple. They're only plugged in as long as you leave them alone. But this article says that the government has every intent of NOT leaving these men alone. They have every intention of bashing their heads against the wall and jamming wokeness and feminism down their throats by force. Pacifying men only works when you let them choose. If you try to shove a square peg into a round hole, you're going to find out that men will quickly fall out of the pacification. They WILL turn on the government if they can't get their Horizon Zero Dawn 3 Expansion Custom Costumes. And no force on earth can stop the unstoppable tide of autism.

 

[Not A Bunny]

If you sit these men down who want nothing other than love and loyalty and tell them they're wrong, don't be surprised when they want to systematically burn it all down and burn YOU down with it.

Something about denying a child a village's love, and he'll burn it down to feel its warmth.

Thing about incels, and having an understanding of it myself, is that they feel that way because they've been kicked down by literally everyone in life to the point where they feel like a real human relationship is impossible. It's not about confidence, it's about being surrounded by real relationships and not being able to figure out why they don't have what everyone else has.

I find the idea of the "incel" is lost here. It's not automatically misogyny. It's just people who have lost hope, and really, it's hard to blame them.

Sprinkle in a society that encourages women that won't settle for less even though many women pretty much deserve less, while constantly telling men they're the source of women's problems, and boy howdy, you're going to produce a population that's angry, not out of entitlement, but because the society they believe hates them keeps proving them right. And yet, somehow no one notices how self-fulfilling a prophecy it is.

"Oh, an incel. Keep kicking 'em, then. That will sure teach 'em."

 

[cybertoaster]

We need a "Yeah? no shit" awards for these kind of news...

When asked if they justify violence against people that incels perceive as causing harm to them, 5% of respondents said ‘Often’.

Rookie numbers, even the wimpiest lefty calls for violence more often than that.

Many commentators have suggested a link between incels and the far right. However, this survey found that incels were politically centre-left on average.

Most incels want the equivalent of sexual communism, no surprise many are actually lefties.

Better mental treatment is good but it's not going to stop feminism or the fact that standards of living are dropping, driving many to extremism.

Don't worry they weren't going to give them free mental care either, plus their existence justifies more budget for the glowies anyway.

I always suspected the loudest inkle-dinkle shamers were celibate themselves.

Incel hate echochambers like inceltears are technically almost all incels, their own words not mine.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Incel hate echochambers like inceltears are technically almost all incels, their own words not mine.

I just think too many Farmers are stuck in the bubble of 2010's were the incels and Lolcows were the same. In the 2020's things have gotten so bad, that's clearly no longer the case but for some reason a bunch of you tards seem stuck in the past. The modern day incel doesn't look like fucking Chris Chan.

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

Incels don't 'need' anything or are entitled to anything. They are best left alone to ferment in their own misery. Perhaps some of them can even become lolcows.

 

[Forsaken Wanderer]

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Second this i would go as far as giving them the peaceful exit bag/ kit. They are miserable creatures that look for spreading more misery in the world. Lead pills only .

I am not saying to give them a life time of counseling, I'm saying the west demonizes men and there is a reason so many become lost and bitter.

 

[cybertoaster]

Opening of the movie would be a montage of some boy going through life. His parents get divorced, he's being taught bullshit in school, and missing out on stuff because people are on their phones or just not interested. No one's pushing or guiding him either. Maybe have one scene in college where it seems like something's going to happen only for it to veer nowhere. The meat of the movie is him realizing in his office job or wagie hell he's a grown man who hasn't lived at all. It's not that he's awkward around women or anything but they don't really acknowledge he exists until they need him, like almost everyone else.

There's already a realistic incel movie.

Funny thing is it won a bunch of awards when it came out in 1999 but nowadays it would get banned for wrongthink or some other BS...

I just think too many Farmers are stuck in the bubble of 2010's were the incels and Lolcows were the same. In the 2020's things have gotten so bad, that's clearly no longer the case but for some reason a bunch of you tards seem stuck in the past. The modern day incel doesn't look like fucking Chris Chan.

I was saying the guys who had a subreddit about bullying incels said they also couldn't get any ass at all meaning they were incels too you retard.

Incels don't 'need' anything or are entitled to anything. They are best left alone to ferment in their own misery. Perhaps some of them can even become lolcows.

Thing is the economy needs wagies and most incels just go on neetbux instead, see the problem?

 

[Bungdit Din]

Second facet is very simple. They're only plugged in as long as you leave them alone. But this article says that the government has every intent of NOT leaving these men alone. They have every intention of bashing their heads against the wall and jamming wokeness and feminism down their throats by force. Pacifying men only works when you let them choose. If you try to shove a square peg into a round hole, you're going to find out that men will quickly fall out of the pacification. They WILL turn on the government if they can't get their Horizon Zero Dawn 3 Expansion Custom Costumes. And no force on earth can stop the unstoppable tide of autism.

This is the bizarre part - fucking with the bread and circuses. Dudes, if they're not gym-maxxing, monk-moding, or passport-bro'ing, are already medicating themselves with vidya, pr0n, and drugs. What's the plan, here, take those away and replace with..?

What mental health support are the authorities, or their sub-contractors, going to offer? What can they offer? And that's pre-supposing an intent to actually help. More like, they've realised they don't have enough prison space for roughly half of all young men, so they're going to get them on happy pills instead.

I just think too many Farmers are stuck in the bubble of 2010's were the incels and Lolcows were the same. In the 2020's things have gotten so bad, that's clearly no longer the case but for some reason a bunch of you tards seem stuck in the past. The modern day incel doesn't look like fucking Chris Chan.

This, too. It clearly needs to be emphasized again - the average guy fits the definition of 'incel', now. It was always this way, btw, it just got more extreme. Clueless dudes used to be known, in old skool 'Game' terminology, as 'AFCs', or Average Frustrated Chumps. The dirty, shameful secret, for the average man, is how little he's getting laid, but he has to lie about it. And, for women, it's how much - and they typically prefer to keep that concealed. Not so much nowadays, though.

 

[CowPox]

Its a cold dark world and it has no pity and the only solace the downtrodden people who exist on it have that is definitive in absolute is that one day they will die.