Science James Webb telescope confirms there is something seriously wrong with our understanding of the universe - Aether theory boys is this our moment?

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James Webb telescope confirms there is something seriously wrong with our understanding of the universe​


News - By Ben Turner - published March 14, 2024
Depending on where we look, the universe is expanding at different rates. Now, scientists using the James Webb and Hubble space telescopes have confirmed that the observation is not down to a measurement error.

Astronomers have used the James Webb and Hubble space telescopes to confirm one of the most troubling conundrums in all of physics — that the universe appears to be expanding at bafflingly different speeds depending on where we look.

This problem, known as the Hubble Tension, has the potential to alter or even upend cosmology altogether. In 2019, measurements by the Hubble Space Telescope confirmed the puzzle was real; in 2023, even more precise measurements from the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) cemented the discrepancy.

Now, a triple-check by both telescopes working together appears to have put the possibility of any measurement error to bed for good. The study, published February 6 in the Astrophysical Journal Letters, suggests that there may be something seriously wrong with our understanding of the universe.

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"With measurement errors negated, what remains is the real and exciting possibility we have misunderstood the universe," lead study author Adam Riess, professor of physics and astronomy at Johns Hopkins University, said in a statement.

Reiss, Saul Perlmutter and Brian P. Schmidt won the 2011 Nobel Prize in physics for their 1998 discovery of dark energy, the mysterious force behind the universe's accelerating expansion.

Currently, there are two "gold-standard" methods for figuring out the Hubble constant, a value that describes the expansion rate of the universe. The first involves poring over tiny fluctuations in the cosmic microwave background (CMB) — an ancient relic of the universe's first light produced just 380,000 years after the Big Bang.

Between 2009 and 2013, astronomers mapped out this microwave fuzz using the European Space Agency's Planck satellite to infer a Hubble constant of roughly 46,200 mph per million light-years, or roughly 67 kilometers per second per megaparsec (km/s/Mpc).

The second method uses pulsating stars called Cepheid variables. Cepheid stars are dying, and their outer layers of helium gas grow and shrink as they absorb and release the star's radiation, making them periodically flicker like distant signal lamps.

As Cepheids get brighter, they pulsate more slowly, giving astronomers a means to measure their absolute brightness. By comparing this brightness to their observed brightness, astronomers can chain Cepheids into a "cosmic distance ladder" to peer ever deeper into the universe's past. With this ladder in place, astronomers can find a precise number for its expansion from how the Cepheids' light has been stretched out, or red-shifted.

But this is where the mystery begins. According to Cepheid variable measurements taken by Riess and his colleagues, the universe's expansion rate is around 74 km/s/Mpc: an impossibly high value when compared to Planck's measurements. Cosmology had been hurled into uncharted territory.

"We wouldn't call it a tension or problem, but rather a crisis," David Gross, a Nobel Prize-winning astronomer, said at a 2019 conference at the Kavli Institute for Theoretical Physics (KITP) in California.

Initially, some scientists thought that the disparity could be a result of a measurement error caused by the blending of Cepheids with other stars in Hubble's aperture. But in 2023, the researchers used the more accurate JWST to confirm that, for the first few "rungs" of the cosmic ladder, their Hubble measurements were right. Nevertheless, the possibility of crowding further back in the universe's past remained.

To resolve this issue, Riess and his colleagues built on their previous measurements, observing 1,000 more Cepheid stars in five host galaxies as remote as 130 million light-years from Earth. After comparing their data to Hubble's, the astronomers confirmed their past measurements of the Hubble constant.

"We've now spanned the whole range of what Hubble observed, and we can rule out a measurement error as the cause of the Hubble Tension with very high confidence," Riess said. "Combining Webb and Hubble gives us the best of both worlds. We find that the Hubble measurements remain reliable as we climb farther along the cosmic distance ladder."

In other words: the tension at the heart of cosmology is here to stay.


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The single thing most seriously wrong with our understanding of the universe is the arrogance of those claiming we understood the universe before this latest revelation. It's the universe and we are only a miniscule, inconsequential part of it, bound by our tiny mammal brains and fragile, ephemeral bodies to three-dimensional space in what is almost certainly a multi-dimensional reality.

The lack of humility evinced by so many of these scientists is itself a kind of ignorance. They need to get over themselves.
 
Slightly different, as far as I understood. Which wasn’t much, if I’m honest. It wasn’t just that particles behave like point vibrations or whatever.
Yeah there's just this innate knowledge that comes from experience and reinforcement of this kind of perception that you can't explain. And I've completely disregarded this kind of thinking for almost a decade so I can't explain it well anymore.
It's also an exceptionally old idea, building on Pythagoras' idea of the music of the spheres.
YEAH that's what that was. Fuck I completely forgot about thee theory that literally got me into music. It's fucking embarassing.
 
Another Why Files plug. AJ covered the Aether universe pretty well in this episode. (Well worth a watch for returning and new viewers alike)


And Einstein contradicted himself in his own work. E=MC2. Energy is equal to mass multiplied by the speed of light squared.
Speed = Distance/time.
Light can be slowed down and a second is not the same length of time all over the universe.

The big bang is also bollocks because how did time exist if there was no physics to create time and no matter to decay (a measurement of time)? The big bang could have lasted 1 second (as we know it) or 100000000000 years. The Earth could be 1.5 billion years old or 120 billion. Time moves at different rates.
 
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Another Why Files plug. AJ covered the Aether universe pretty well in this episode. (Well worth a watch for returning and new viewers alike)


And Einstein contradicted himself in his own work. E=MC2. Energy is equal to mass multiplied by the speed of light squared.
Speed = Distance/time.
Light can be slowed down and a second is not the same length of time all over the universe.

The big bang is also bollocks because how did time exist if there was no physics to create time and no matter to decay (a measurement of time)? The big bang could have lasted 1 second (as we know it) or 100000000000 years. The Earth could be 1.5 billion years old or 120 billion. Time moves at different rates.
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Our understanding of the universe is never concrete and will adjust itself on a frequent basis. 50 years ago (1970s) we barely understood what was inside a cellular organism, and our best visualization of the atom was the "plum pudding" model.
Most ideas feminists hold about abortion come from that around that time and they refuse to accept them. Since then, we've discovered so much about fetal life that it's impossible to deny the humanity of it, but there you have: entire countries promote ideas that contradict this new discoveries. Then, same happen with global warming now called "climate change" and soon to have another convenient name. Science is used as a seal that they expect people read as "approved" and isn't refuted because they mainstream idea normies have is "if a scientist says so, it must be true".

Of course, this doesnt' apply to troonism. Here, the science has evolved since the 70s and we shouldn't hold outdated ideas but rather follow new perspectives instead.

Apparently they are a naturally occurring formation known as flatirons and the main guy who keeps saying they are pyramids is a Bosnian businessman who promotes the area for tourism purposes.
Well, technically they ARE pyramids, that's the accurate name of the polygon with that shape.
 
Almost like HP Lovecraft was right about everything.
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“The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown”

“The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of the infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.”

“The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new Dark Age.”

The old boy was a peach.
Including the best way to name your pets.
His daddy named Nigger not him I believe. Not that it made all that much of a difference.


As for the topic... this is good, great even. Any scientist who is but hurt about observations showing something different than their hypothesis claimed should stop calling themselves scientist.

One thing that pisses me off alot about the way science is communicated especially when it comes to Cosmology and Physics in general is that a scientist will make a declarative sentence about a topic when at the current time we have zero ability to actually test any of these hypothesis. It's especially bad in Quantum Physics. It's fine if you want to talk about your hypothesis just make sure it's understood that's what it is and that it's not actually a theory.

Of course the problem then becomes making sure that your listener knows the difference between a hypothesis and a theory in the first place.
 
One thing that pisses me off alot about the way science is communicated especially when it comes to Cosmology and Physics in general is that a scientist will make a declarative sentence about a topic when at the current time we have zero ability to actually test any of these hypothesis. It's especially bad in Quantum Physics. It's fine if you want to talk about your hypothesis just make sure it's understood that's what it is and that it's not actually a theory.
You think that's bad you should see psychology.

See this all started when a scientist hired a bunch of hookers...
 
This whole field has always been some absurd suicide cult when you actually pay attention to how they interpret their own data as "everything exploded out of nowhere and one day stars will somehow never form again and everything will die and then uhhhhh something happens, give me funding", we have barely spent any meaningful time studying past this planet in the grand view of things and we had the audacity to collectively act like everything learned in the past century is automatically set in stone.
 
https://www.electricuniverse.info/electric-universe-theory/ The idea that our universe is powered by electro magnetic forces and not just gravity is alive and well. The current system has many holes (dark matter and dark energy being very large ones) but this other system of thought makes sense to me.
Haven't some of these guys been proven right on a lot of things by modern scientists entirely by accident? I find it hard to call them crackpots when electromagnetism is an inherent part of subatomic function, and electromagnetism is omnipresent at a macro scale across the universe.
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Here's a picture of Jupiter's magnetosphere with Io just to the right of it. You Kiwis can see the visible distortions caused by it even outside its orbit and that green vertical band is the massive magnetic flux tube. According to Wikipedia (and modern science as a result) Io's heating is purely a result of tidal forces (aka gravity) caused by orbital interactions with Jupiter and the Jovian moons with zero mention of the fact its own magnetosphere is purely as a result of electromagnetic induction from Jupiter's far larger and more powerful one. The idea that Io is a giant, natural, electric arc furnace has been completely dismissed.
 
The Mesoamerican pyramids just looked like hills until they were dug back out.
This one still kinda does and it's got a church on top:
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That’s so cool. Pyramids are weird. There’s a pyramid in Ukraine as well, near Lugansk, that’s older than the pyramids in Egypt (well, older than the accepted date anyway.)
magnetic flux tube
Is that Björkland currents stuff and electric universe?

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Is that Björkland currents stuff and electric universe?
Do you mean Birkeland? Then yes, quite similar. But that picture I got was from Wikipedia. The Io/Jupiter electromagnetic interactions involve currents so strong as to create a magnetic toroid between the two planetary bodies via induction, and there's even been plasma flowing between the two we've managed to detect.
 
The single thing most seriously wrong with our understanding of the universe is the arrogance of those claiming we understood the universe before this latest revelation. It's the universe and we are only a miniscule, inconsequential part of it, bound by our tiny mammal brains and fragile, ephemeral bodies to three-dimensional space in what is almost certainly a multi-dimensional reality.

The lack of humility evinced by so many of these scientists is itself a kind of ignorance. They need to get over themselves.
Every freaking 100-200 years the books are majorly rewritten. JWT it doing it again.

It's fine to me. I don't think the universe is evenly homologous . There are probably regions of space that aren't like others. Carl Sagan really loved the idea if you look in one direction, it's always the same in every direction. There are too many 'voids' and 'attractors' that don't match the CMB currently. I wouldn't be too surprised if in 200 years General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics aren't considered 'classic', like we consider Newton's Corpuscles of light.
 
Every freaking 100-200 years the books are majorly rewritten. JWT it doing it again.

It's fine to me. I don't think the universe is evenly homologous . There are probably regions of space that aren't like others. Carl Sagan really loved the idea if you look in one direction, it's always the same in every direction. There are too many 'voids' and 'attractors' that don't match the CMB currently. I wouldn't be too surprised if in 200 years General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics aren't considered 'classic', like we consider Newton's Corpuscles of light.
At some point, the idea that our place in the universe is basically average turned from a reasonable guess based on probability into a dogma. I'm not quite sure when or why.
 
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