Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[AnOminous]

He lives in an Apartment with a massive fucking Number on the building. He's probably collecting Social Security for his disabilities, gets a Section 8 Housing allowance and receives an EBT allowance every month for food.

He isn't on disability or any other kind of tard bucks, possibly the one actually meritorious thing about the dude. He is almost always employed.

I'm fairly certain the "law of the case" doctrine would bar this tactic. Even though it's in a new Circuit, the law applied to the case thus far is binding. This is the type of "neat trick" that federal courts do not like to entertain.

It almost doesn't matter because Russ is seriously too stupid to make any remotely competent argument in that respect. The dude literally doesn't understand that jurisdiction and venue are two different things. That said the motion to dismiss shouldn't be carbon copied but obviously, use citations to Eleventh Circuit precedent instead of Tenth.

I like this idea. It ups the likelihood of SCOTUS involvement if we have diverging circuits.

The only way to get a circuit split is if nool wins. And he's not going to appeal his own win. It might make it more likely that some other case in the Tenth gets fucked by the idiotic precedent in his case and that someone else appeals.

So why not seek to dismiss again? It would presumably moot the appeal to the Supreme Court if successful, but who cares if Greer loses?

Having the dismissal be on procedural grounds because of Ratface's nearly continual procedural defaults and outright defiance of court orders would definitely provide different grounds for the dismissal that wouldn't be covered by anything like res judicata or collateral estoppel.

 

[Goofy Logic]

My favorite part of his response:
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Oh, if the Court wants Greer to reply to the Null's Motion to Tranfer, he can do that? I find myself agreeing with Hardin's assessment that Greer is a fucking retard. Quite possibly the stupidest ratmouth motherfucker I've ever seen. Now? Now is when you want to reply to the Motion to Transfer? Jesus Christ.

"For your ONLY hope for a future; do you know ONE word of pray for me, Russell Greer?"

 

[Betonhaus]

Is there any legal journalists who have taken interest in this case and begun to dissect it to a wider audience?

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

He isn't on disability or any other kind of tard bucks, possibly the one actually meritorious thing about the dude. He is almost always employed.

It almost doesn't matter because Russ is seriously too stupid to make any remotely competent argument in that respect. The dude literally doesn't understand that jurisdiction and venue are two different things. That said the motion to dismiss shouldn't be carbon copied but obviously, use citations to Eleventh Circuit precedent instead of Tenth.

The only way to get a circuit split is if nool wins. And he's not going to appeal his own win. It might make it more likely that some other case in the Tenth gets fucked by the idiotic precedent in his case and that someone else appeals.

Having the dismissal be on procedural grounds because of Ratface's nearly continual procedural defaults and outright defiance of court orders would definitely provide different grounds for the dismissal that wouldn't be covered by anything like res judicata or collateral estoppel.

No, even now you make a fatal error, stalker child.

Russ is the absurd absolute perfect mixture of stupid and smart in just the right measure. Any stupider and he’d just be a male Melinda Scott ranting in incomprehensible legal filings. He knows just enough to be really, really, really fucking stupid. It takes skill.

 

[AnOminous]

Null's never gonna tell us which one of us is Clarence Thomas?

He's the one who never asks questions in oral argument.

Oh, if the Court wants Greer to reply to the Null's Motion to Tranfer, he can do that?

Oh so suddenly now he can do that, when he argued in his retarded motion for a stay that this would be absolutely impossible?

 

[analrapist]

He knows just enough to be really, really, really fucking stupid. It takes skill.

 

[DavidS877]

I assume the next/last thing we'll see in Utah will just be the confirmation that it was moved and the docket information for the Florida court once Florida starts whatever paperwork they need to do to get it assigned to a judge there, etc? Do we know how long that will take?

 

[FatMan]

I assume the next/last thing we'll see in Utah will just be the confirmation that it was moved and the docket information for the Florida court once Florida starts whatever paperwork they need to do to get it assigned to a judge there, etc? Do we know how long that will take?

I'm personally hoping we get a final single page court response that simply reads "PLAINTIFF’S MOTION TO RECONSIDER ORDER GRANTING CHANGE OF VENUE IS DENIED".

No case law, no explanation, just DENIED. Maximum trauma lumps. Damn shame we didn't get it 30 minutes after he filed.

 

[Cynically Insane]

The judge may grant the motion to change venue just to get out from under this shit show. Florida courts are far better equipped to deal with total freaks.

Called it.

 

[Napoleon III]

Sorry for posting so much today but this case seems like it has moved from a dry legal matter to a dramatic human matter which I feel I understand better and have more to say about.

I assume he is more familiar with Utah rules and caselaw than Florida's?

I think is part of it but I also think part of it is that Russ is starting to realize this case isn't going his way right now. You have to remember when all the shenanigans with the 10th Circuit happened Russ was sure he was going to win.

Then things started going badly after his lawyers left but he resolved to rehire his old lawyers who could magically fix everything and he would still win.

Now with the stay being denied and the venue being changed he has realized he is currently losing.

Imagine fighting extremely hard and putting yourself through a lot of stress to finally corner someone and then it slips out from your fingers, the person you had in the corner ready to completely ruin them and they just slipped out from your grasp while saying "LMAO". I'd be extremely unhappy and might flail about a bit after something like that.

If the SCOTUS doesn't grant Cert I am all in favor of the Chaos option. Filing the exact same motion to dismiss as was filed in the 10th circuit and forcing the 11th circuit to create a circuit split.

It would be cheap to do too. Simply Cntrl-c, and then Cntrl-V. Maybe edit it a little bit for relevant 11th circuit cases. Cheap, easy, and designed for maximum chaos because even the 11th would know they are being forced to either affirm the 10th circuits abortion of a ruling, or cause a split. But this is simply me sitting here like the Cheshire cat on the tree wanting to grin at more entertainment. The smart choice would be to just approach the transfer as a brand new case.

I don't know if the chaos option is the right decision yet, though with the financial resources Moon has at his disposal he might be able to pursue multiple strategies at once. Moon has a war-chest but not an infinitely big one. He may need to pick and choose his battles or even conduct them in the best timeframe possible. The chaos option is probably not the right move at the moment.

That being said sometimes if banging your head into something doesn't work the best way to deal with something is to try something radically different. It seems like this site attracts unusual events and bizarre scenarios so maybe this is right.

If nothing else it would be entertaining.

Honestly the fact the judges let this shit go on so long, let it go to a retarded appeal decision, let Greer just straight ignore shit he's supposed to do only to go "actually on second thoughts this is actually Florida's problem" is fucking peak legal bullshit

This is the kick the can down the rode type of situation. The Utah court dealt with this lawsuit and then the 10th fucked up everything and if you are a judge you don't want to do anything that can bring too much attention on you. This is probably the best move you can possibly make if you are the Utah Judge. If I am correct and Hardin realized and predicted this and moved to exploit it several months ago then he is a genius and I think Moon will win any decent case that Hardin brings.

But Florida is not governed by the 10th circuit court so the local court may not have the same constraint and they may smack Russ down. Also the 11th court might take the opportunity to contradict the 10th. Correcting another circuit court and possibly having the Supreme Court agree with you over the other court seems like it might be worth doing as a small p political move.

There is one reason not to be optimistic however. The 11th court includes Georgia and Georgia has some film industry present within it. The film industry tends to be very protective of copyright for obvious reasons.

I don’t really care that much about Rekieta ruining his legacy in regards to Weeb Wars, Rittenhouse, or any of the generally “good” positions he professed as much as I’m bothered that I can never enjoy the Greer content he put out the same way again.

Tbqh while I wish the best for his family and the man even now he is ultimately just some pixels on a screen to me that I once found entertaining. I won't pretend otherwise.

He is really fucking up by not covering stuff like this. I can understand not wanting to cover certain cases because they can be kind of boring but this case is really entertaining. He really did find a good Niche he could have filled and made ungodly amounts of money off of and he blew it.

 

[Not At All A Lizard]

I guess the reason he's so worked up isn't particularly because of the venue change but more so the reason behind it. He was obviously drafting his opposition anyway, but the judge (repeatedly and correctly) writing that he's an uncooperative plaintiff is really bad. Not for the first time in this case either. I can hardly think of a worse way to land on a new desk.

 

[Andoxico]

Never mind the sheer retardation of filing a motion in Utah to transfer it back from Florida when it's now Florida's problem. If he wants another transfer motion he'll have to file it there.

I am now imagining a court clerk poking their head into the Judge's office: "Sir, what do we do? This fucking retard is still sending motions to us."

 

[Obnoxious Asshole]

I am now imagining a court clerk poking their head into the Judge's office: "Sir, what do we do? This fucking retard is still sending motions to us."

"Send that shit to Florida. If we're lucky they'll extradite his ass."
"For what?"
"Mr. Greer is about to learn only one retard is allowed in court at a time, and there's a line already. No jumping the queue."

 

[Pedophobe]

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This has to be my favourite part. He really doesn't get why this is so funny.

Going to need you to explain the joke, sorry. Is it because changing venues isn't a "jurisdiction issue"?

 

[WTBOnlineFather]

Going to need you to explain the joke, sorry. Is it because changing venues isn't a "jurisdiction issue"?

I have no idea what Rule 12 is but my guess is that he's arguing Josh has waived his right to move to transfer, when by the same logic Russhole waived his right to oppose the motion (by ignoring it until it was granted).

 

[Yeeted Teet]

No, even now you make a fatal error, stalker child.

Russ is the absurd absolute perfect mixture of stupid and smart in just the right measure. Any stupider and he’d just be a male Melinda Scott ranting in incomprehensible legal filings. He knows just enough to be really, really, really fucking stupid. It takes skill.

He's got those tard smarts where he's high functioning enough to be manipulative, but not high functioning enough to be good at it.

 

[waffle]

yes, we can 2split1case this.

I don't do federal practice, so I'm reaching back a long way and am legitimately unsure, but I think the appeals decision will be considered the "law of the case" even if it wouldn't otherwise apply in that circuit.

Also, even if it did, one of the exceptions to the doctrine is "a clearly erroneous decision" - so

 

[DJ Grelle]

Null's never gonna tell us which one of us is Clarence Thomas?

Sometimes I wonder how many people are retarded enough to sign up with .gov, .edu and .mil emails.

 

[Blackstar]

Sometimes I wonder how many people are retarded enough to sign up with .gov, .edu and .mil emails.

Enough for them to become blocked from registration and those who already had one forced to change emails

 

[Not At All A Lizard]

I love how you can tell this section was slotted in. The fontsize isn't even the same as the rest, and the argument is next level hilariously bad. 'I have some friends in Utah and my alma matter (lol) is there.'
Must've been a last minute brainfart he decided to add before submitting.