Pathfinder: Kingmaker - From Tabletop to Desktop

I am playing through this blind on Last Azlanti Challenging difficulty, with mods. First try with a Half-Celestial Peri-Blooded Aasimar Arcanist-Occultist got me killed through strength drain via spider swarm, so I re-made my character and added the Advanced template on top of the Half-Celestial template. It's still really hard. Had two really close calls with random slaver encounter when some of my part members were Exhausted and a sneak attack critting level 8 Rogue Wererat when I was expecting rat swarms.

If I die again I'll re-make my character as an all-18s rolled Advanced Half-Celestial Peri-Blooded Aasimar Arcanist/Slayer Gestalt with +4 int Alternate Racial Trait and just say fuck this game, if you're gonna inflate the encounters and prevent me from fleeing and exiting the map I'm gonna make a fucking Super Saiyan main character.

Apart from that absolute slog through Old Sycamore the game has been pretty fun so far.
 
what kind of cbt are you into
hell, cbt would be a mercy compared to that
I'm not. That's why I'm using a cheat character. I'm playing Last Azlanti because I am a compulsive save scummer and I need the game itself to stop me from doing it in order to avoid ruining my own fun.
 
I'm not. That's why I'm using a cheat character. I'm playing Last Azlanti because I am a compulsive save scummer and I need the game itself to stop me from doing it in order to avoid ruining my own fun.
I am absolutely certain playing a gestalt doesn't make the games on their absolute bullshit difficulties easier.
 
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I am absolutely certain playing a gestalt doesn't make the games on their absolute bullshit difficulties easier.
It is if you're a Slayer with stats to the stratosphere, damage reduction and spell resistance who can use Personal range buffs like Long Arm combined with a Reach weapon and Enlarge Person and stacking Crit/Cleave feats. If I can't beat the game with my current character, fair enough. But if I can't beat the game with that gestalt monstrosity that's just a skill issue.
 
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I am absolutely certain playing a gestalt doesn't make the games on their absolute bullshit difficulties easier.
Core is the maximum I will go because it is the last difficulty before you need to always: Buff before fights, min-max yourself and your companions, play turn based mode at all times and pick an optimized/op class. At that point it is not a RPG anymore, it is a chore

I am playing through this blind on Last Azlanti Challenging difficulty, with mods.
What mods are you using?
 
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Core is the maximum I will go because it is the last difficulty before you need to always: Buff before fights, min-max yourself and your companions, play turn based mode at all times and pick an optimized/op class. At that point it is not a RPG anymore, it is a chore


What mods are you using?
I play Challenging/Core because I want the enemy and me to be playing by the same rules, not one side to arbitrarily be doing reduced or bonus damage to the other.

As for the mods:
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And the settings for CotW:
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For the Half-Celestial/Advanced templates I just used Bag of Tricks to cheat in a bunch of feats (Wings, DR 10/magic, resists to acid/cold/electricity, immunity to poison, natural armor, etc) and change the point buy and ability score maximums during character creation to simulate the bonuses. The fun thing about Bag of Tricks is that you actually can edit your character in the character creation screen before starting the game. It's just that your character won't have a name yet.

I couldn't figure out any kind of sensible way to get the spell-like abilities so I just skipped those. Also, the SpellResistance11CR feat doesn't work for a PC because PCs don't have a Challenge Rating, so I compromised and just gave my character a 25 SR feat. Overpowered at the start and underpowered late game. If I were being really autistic I'd figure out a way to create a feat that added all the necessary stuff at the appropriate hit-die but the last time I tried to mod a game myself was 5-10 years ago and I don't quite feel like putting in the effort to make a mod for a game I haven't even played yet.

Anyway, I beat the Stag Lord at level 5. Almost died. 3 enemies with magic weapons bypassing my DR, got hit several times in a row even though I had 34 AC and Blur, and I think one of them might have crit me. Poisoned wine+one-hit-killing Owlbear+Glitterdust requiring a nat 20 to save against because of my stupidly high Int saved the day, although some of the enemies did in fact roll a nat 20 to save.

Really regretting picking the Occultist archetype for Arcanist. The enemies are so strong the summoned monsters just get one-shot and actually summoning them is expensive as hell in regards to my Arcane Reservoir. Should've gone with a normal Arcanist for the extra Exploits. Pity there's no Brown-Fur archetype.

I really, really wish someone, anyone in my party had an animal companion, but no go.

I've been running into some bugs with turn-based combat in that sometimes I just can't do anything, or there are visual bugs where the green lines and whatnot for moving will show for the wrong character. I have to quickly go to RTwP and back to turn-based to fix it, but this time it got so bad I had to quit to desktop and restart to make the game un-fuck itself. Not sure if this is a problem with the game itself or because of the mods.
 
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It must be fate that this thread popped up again because I just finished Kingmaker last night. It's got tons of glaring problems, but I still quite enjoyed the game overall and it gave me all those good feelings of the old Infinity Engine games.

Started Wrath of the Righteous and got about a half hour in before the Whedon-esque dialogue designed to appeal to millennial Redditards who love le heckin' quippy conversations between niggers, faggots, and trannies became so thick that I immediately uninstalled it. I cannot fucking believe the consensus across the Internet is that this is an improvement over the "boring" and "generic" writing of the first game.

At least Kingmaker had a consistent high fantasy tone rather than every character and every line being an obvious mouthpiece for a guy with a manbun. God, I hate the modern gaming industry so much - even when I finally find something I kind of like, it's immediately ruined.
 
I've been running into some bugs with turn-based combat in that sometimes I just can't do anything, or there are visual bugs where the green lines and whatnot for moving will show for the wrong character. I have to quickly go to RTwP and back to turn-based to fix it, but this time it got so bad I had to quit to desktop and restart to make the game un-fuck itself
I had the same turn based bugs running without mods, it is the gaming being janky. I never needed to quit to desktop to fix it tho, so that might be mods

It must be fate that this thread popped up again because I just finished Kingmaker last night. It's got tons of glaring problems, but I still quite enjoyed the game overall and it gave me all those good feelings of the old Infinity Engine games.

Started Wrath of the Righteous and got about a half hour in before the Whedon-esque dialogue designed to appeal to millennial Redditards who love le heckin' quippy conversations between niggers, faggots, and trannies became so thick that I immediately uninstalled it. I cannot fucking believe the consensus across the Internet is that this is an improvement over the "boring" and "generic" writing of the first game.

At least Kingmaker had a consistent high fantasy tone rather than every character and every line being an obvious mouthpiece for a guy with a manbun. God, I hate the modern gaming industry so much - even when I finally find something I kind of like, it's immediately ruined.
I never saw anyone talking about the dialogue being better tbh, I have seen people talking about how the gameplay and classes are better which is true even because Kingmaker still has plenty of bugs related to certain abilities.

I still prefer Kingmaker all day because it has actual soul and reminds me of classicall CRPGs while I find WOTR soulless and sometimes frustrating, particularly because it's characters and dialogue. There are plenty of people that prefer Kingmaker over WOTR as well tho:

I suspect the retarded millennial dialogue and progressivism in WOTR is because while Kingmaker was developed primarly by the Russian team, WOTR was developed by the Cyprus team.
 
I never saw anyone talking about the dialogue being better tbh, I have seen people talking about how the gameplay and classes are better which is true even because Kingmaker still has plenty of bugs related to certain abilities.

I still prefer Kingmaker all day because it has actual soul and reminds me of classicall CRPGs while I find WOTR soulless and sometimes frustrating, particularly because it's characters and dialogue. There are plenty of people that prefer Kingmaker over WOTR as well tho:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder...have_a_little_under_300_hours_in_both_and_im/
Huh, interesting. I did some searches along the lines of "Wrath of the Righteous bad writing" and got almost exclusively Reddit soys telling an OP that only alt-right chuds thought WotR's writing was anything less than a triumph and that quippiness is next to godliness.

Those were mostly older threads though, so maybe general sentiment has changed in the interim.
 
It must be fate that this thread popped up again because I just finished Kingmaker last night. It's got tons of glaring problems, but I still quite enjoyed the game overall and it gave me all those good feelings of the old Infinity Engine games.

Started Wrath of the Righteous and got about a half hour in before the Whedon-esque dialogue designed to appeal to millennial Redditards who love le heckin' quippy conversations between niggers, faggots, and trannies became so thick that I immediately uninstalled it. I cannot fucking believe the consensus across the Internet is that this is an improvement over the "boring" and "generic" writing of the first game.

At least Kingmaker had a consistent high fantasy tone rather than every character and every line being an obvious mouthpiece for a guy with a manbun. God, I hate the modern gaming industry so much - even when I finally find something I kind of like, it's immediately ruined.
I didn't think the dialogue in WotR was that bad. I assume you're talking mostly about Lann when it comes to Whedon-esque dialogue, and yeah, 99% of his dialogue is a sarcastic quip, but I dunno, it works for his character.

Nenio is the one character I rarely use because quirky autistic (literally I think) foxgirl does not belong anywhere near my party. Shame because she's the only dedicated wizard unless your main toon is an arcane caster or you hire a merc.

Agreed that Kingmaker's dialogue was much better though. I should play through that again sometime soon...
 
Decided to multiclass Jeathal into an Oracle. No clue how to build or play an Inquisitor, and I figure an Oracle should be kinda hard to fuck up, even with an Inquisitor level. Dual-Cursed Vampire (undead already take damage from positive energy and heal from negative energy so the curse literally does nothing harmful) and Plagued (undead are immune to disease so the curse literally does nothing harmful). No clue about the feats so I just picked Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus Necromancy and gave her the Boneshaker spell. No clue what metamagics to go for. Nature Mystery for the Animal Companion. Don't think I need Boon Companion since my Animal Companion is only 1 level behind. Though I suppose if I decide to multiclass 3 levels into something else I could pick it.
 
I didn't think the dialogue in WotR was that bad. I assume you're talking mostly about Lann when it comes to Whedon-esque dialogue, and yeah, 99% of his dialogue is a sarcastic quip, but I dunno, it works for his character.
One of the black paladin chick's first lines was something like "whoa now, guuuurl" when another character was asking too many questions of the main character. I think that was when the worry really set in, but Lann certainly didn't help.

I decided to jump ship because I wasn't looking forward to successful intimidation checks that end with my party members chirping "OH NO YOU DI'INT!" while snapping their fingers. Fantasy doesn't have to be dour and I don't mind tone-consistent humor or even the very occasional wacky Minsc-style character, but there's a breaking point of tonal consistency where funny becomes farce and characters start to feel like cosplayers.
 
Started Wrath of the Righteous and got about a half hour in before the Whedon-esque dialogue designed to appeal to millennial Redditards who love le heckin' quippy conversations between niggers, faggots, and trannies became so thick that I immediately uninstalled it. I cannot fucking believe the consensus across the Internet is that this is an improvement over the "boring" and "generic" writing of the first game.
If your only issue with WOTR is the writing I think you should give it another chance so that you can see some of the other companions. Most characters outside of Nenio and Lann don't really do that stuff and later on when you get Regill he'll sometimes called them idiots for acting like that. I haven't beaten it yet but I think that WOTR really does have some very well written characters that are just as good as Kingmakers. There's enough of them in the game that if you really dislike one you can just kick them out without much lost.
 
Huh, interesting. I did some searches along the lines of "Wrath of the Righteous bad writing" and got almost exclusively Reddit soys telling an OP that only alt-right chuds thought WotR's writing was anything less than a triumph and that quippiness is next to godliness.

Those were mostly older threads though, so maybe general sentiment has changed in the interim.
Can you link one of those? What I got when researching that was this:


Decided to multiclass Jeathal into an Oracle. No clue how to build or play an Inquisitor, and I figure an Oracle should be kinda hard to fuck up, even with an Inquisitor level. Dual-Cursed Vampire (undead already take damage from positive energy and heal from negative energy so the curse literally does nothing harmful) and Plagued (undead are immune to disease so the curse literally does nothing harmful). No clue about the feats so I just picked Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus Necromancy and gave her the Boneshaker spell. No clue what metamagics to go for. Nature Mystery for the Animal Companion. Don't think I need Boon Companion since my Animal Companion is only 1 level behind. Though I suppose if I decide to multiclass 3 levels into something else I could pick it.
I wouldn't recommend making her into an oracle, there are companion build guides you can find online to help you
 
I wouldn't recommend making her into an oracle, there are companion build guides you can find online to help you
Too late, I already did. Remember that I'm on Last Azlanti mode; no takebacks. And apparently one of the most OP builds for her is to just change her into a Sorcerer, but my Arcanist already fills the Sorcerer role and I already have two Cleric companions, so I figured I'd just go Nature Oracle. Gets me the damn Animal Companion I so desperately need and lets me pump Charisma on an Undead character for those sweet hit points.

Also, I'm playing a Lawful Good character, so I might end up killing her myself at some point, so even if she dies maybe it's not such a bad thing.
 
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Too late, I already did. Remember that I'm on Last Azlanti mode; no takebacks. And apparently one of the most OP builds for her is to just change her into a Sorcerer, but my Arcanist already fills the Sorcerer role and I already have two Cleric companions, so I figured I'd just go Nature Oracle. Gets me the damn Animal Companion I so desperately need and lets me pump Charisma on an Undead character for those sweet hit points.
Fair, but you are doing a risky move by playing Kingmaker on Last Azalanti, considering Owlcat wasn't able to fully polish it, there are still a few softlock bugs that can happen although they are relatively rare
 
Fair, but you are doing a risky move by playing Kingmaker on Last Azalanti, considering Owlcat wasn't able to fully polish it, there are still a few softlock bugs that can happen although they are relatively rare
I'm banking on Bag of Tricks being able to get me past any soft locks.
 
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Kingmaker is also better by the fact that you are not forced to be accompanied by the carpet muncher inter-racial couple that is Anevia and Irabeth. I could have get over it if they ever bothered to explain how and why same sex marriage even exists in this medieval fantasy world but as it exists, it is just jarring and token ESL You can tell it was Owlcat Cyprus the main studio behind WOTR rather than the Russian one.

Speaking of which, is there a way to get either of them killed so I don't have to have them around?
The two are technically straight, since Anevia is a tranny. https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Anevia_Tirabade

To be fair, these two were originally in PnP so it isn't something Owlcat came up with. Considering there is an IP holder which used the game to promote themselves... Oh. https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sicb?TRANScendental-A-Trans-Character-Celebration
 
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