There Is Light At The End
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They had retard moment. Should have just conduct surveys
Fuck that smarmy cunt. As aeon you can strip rejuvenation elixir effects and turn her into old hag
Pathfinder: Kingmaker - From Tabletop to Desktop
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Doing some threadomancy. I'm honestly intrigued on goving a game of these a chance. I have played D&D on various editions so know the deal, but in videogame form I've only played a chunk of Planescape Torment and I was unable to get confortable with the interface and mechanics.
I know everybody is jacking off to Baldur's Gate 3, but I'm not too keen on everything being a horn dog and the pathfinder character creator seems like a blast.
So I guess what I'm asking is which one is better between the Pathfinder games and Baldur's Gate 3 assuming that I'm willing to engage with the system (we can add the 40k game into the discussion if it's not a buggy mess)
I know everybody is jacking off to Baldur's Gate 3, but I'm not too keen on everything being a horn dog and the pathfinder character creator seems like a blast.
So I guess what I'm asking is which one is better between the Pathfinder games and Baldur's Gate 3 assuming that I'm willing to engage with the system (we can add the 40k game into the discussion if it's not a buggy mess)
Gravityqueen4life
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it all comes down too if you prefer RTWP or Turn Base, if you hate the fifth edition or not and how autistic you are about character builds.
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Well, I prefer turn based, though don't mind real time for going through trash. I don't have a particular beef vs 5th though I definitely prefer the Pathfinder system and though I'm not particularly autistic, I do know there are a bajillion autist out there that probably already brewed a full progression for any concept that strikes my fancy, so am not opposed tp just hunting for one and following it.
Gravityqueen4life
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well, you should give kingmaker a try since its easier for first time players and not as autistic when it comes to builds like path of the righteous.
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The WH40K game will be using a d100 system, which is endlessly better than the other ones because it doesn't have a bunch of arbitrary, retarded rules. However, it is a fresh Owlcat release: it will be total shit until like six months after release.
Kingmaker's story takes forever to go anywhere, but I find it to be enjoyable for what it is. It was, perhaps, the first CRPG I had ever played that didn't royally screw the pooch on Lawful Evil. Wrath of the Righteous broadly has better pacing, but there's something to be said for just how offputting the first chapter is. The reality is that the character-building systems are as deep or as shallow as you want them to be, in that most of the base classes have prerec'd builds that can autolevel. Most of the difficulty is customizable, top to bottom, and you really only need to care about anything remotely near minmax if you try to play on core.
WOTR has a few trap classes (a class built around bonuses vs fey in a game with very few fey enemies, a class built around using poison when most enemies in the game are immune to poison), but broadly it isn't so bad. It's very hard to go back from WOTR to Kingmaker, as everything from the models to the UI was massively cleaned up for that entry. Both games have respec (if you turn it on) and you can swap between real-time and turn-based as you please.
Personally, WOTR > Kingmaker >= BG3. I am not very big on BG3, though, because its story sucks balls and the classes have fuckall for depth and the Larian system alone can only go so far.
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Just to clarify, the 40k game isn't out until December 7th. And yes, it is most likely going to be a buggy mess, Lolcat's QA is notoriously shit.
Can't say anything about BG3, not a fan of Larian. As for the two remaining options, I would suggest Kingmaker. Better story, better role-playing potential and not quite as bloated.
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Kingmaker's quality I feel falls off a cliff after chapter four, but those first four chapters are definitely some of the best CRPG content made in the last twenty years and by then you'll be probably be invested enough to want to push through the mediocre second half. Wrath of the Righteous is more consistent throughout, though it's final act is kinda crappy. The game also suffers if you go with one of the lesser mythic paths that were obviously rushed; the fact that they didn't use the Enhanced Edition to flesh out the final act and the mythic paths still annoys me. Also, the DLC for both games is mostly mediocre, which is especially befuddling because they constantly do surveys asking the players what they thought about the DLC and what DLC they want to see going forward, yet somehow still manage to fuck it up.
Rogue Trader I'm looking forward to a lot but I think it'll undoubtedly be a rushed mess. The beta needed a lot of work and felt like it was missing a ton of content (I'm not even talking about the later acts), and with only two months until release it sounds like they're still adding in basic content that should've been done a while ago.
Rogue Trader I'm looking forward to a lot but I think it'll undoubtedly be a rushed mess. The beta needed a lot of work and felt like it was missing a ton of content (I'm not even talking about the later acts), and with only two months until release it sounds like they're still adding in basic content that should've been done a while ago.
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Thanks all of you for the feedback. Initially I was going to aim for WOTR first since I specially from what I read, side characters had more presence than in Kingmaker where they are very "do your plot now shut up", but you lots comments about Kingmaker have made me give it a second look, specially since it sounds like going back is though (and it's 4 bucks at the moment). Though from my understanding, turn based was a late addition in Kingmaker, does it work well or is it a janky mess? Also, since I assume this applies to both, does "remove conditions after combat" make things too trivial? I mostly come from a JRPG setting and having to deal with post combat conditions tends to be busywork more than engaging in my book.
Sticking with Kingmaker, is the DLC that adds Tieflings interesting enough to warrant purchase? I don't particularly care for the race but another companion and a new class sound more compelling, but I've never used a Kineticist so no idea if it's a trap or not.
Sticking with Kingmaker, is the DLC that adds Tieflings interesting enough to warrant purchase? I don't particularly care for the race but another companion and a new class sound more compelling, but I've never used a Kineticist so no idea if it's a trap or not.
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I've had my turn lock up a couple times but it is fixable by just switching modes for a second. Should be fine otherwise.
I suggest keeping it on for your first playthrough, there is a lot of conditions that can royally fuck you over if you're not prepared to deal with them.
Regarding busywork: the game has a lot of pre-buffing so you should consider getting one of the autobuff mods, it will save you A LOT of time.
I'd say worth it. Their story and dialogue is pretty interesting though they have little reactivity with the basegame companions. Kineticist is a blast to play, very strong and unique class.
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Kingmaker's party members are pretty talkative, although they definitely have less to say in the second half of the game. Wrath's characters are better in that regard but also become kinda mute in the last act.
Coomers love the tieflings because they're sisters and you can have a threesome with them in the end. It's definitely the better DLC for Kingmaker but the tiefling sisters aren't integrated great into the rest of the game, often having very little to say outside of their own questline. What content they do have is decent but it's pretty disappointing how quiet they are when you're out questing or doing story events.
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The latest patch added a Mythic feat that negates poison immunity, so there's at least that.
ANF
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Poisons are garbo even without considering the immunity so it's probably just a flavor option at most.
That said, I've seen some people get decent results with Assassin by ignoring poisons and just minmaxing stealth to spam death attack. Probably wouldn't bother with it myself, but hey, technically playable.
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Yeah, I just heard about the rework they gave the class - while poisons aren't ever anything amazing, they're at least -something- so it's better to have them be able to function. If I recall, the patch also did rework death attack into something more feasible to actually achieve, by lowering the fort save or something.
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Oh, and speaking of DLCs, Wrath actually has at least two still coming out. Next one is supposed to drop soon at the end of November and then the final one is sometime next year. There were talks of doing a third season of DLC for it but given the lukewarm reception to the current ones and the fact that Rogue Trader will be out they've said they doubt there'll be anything else. So, if you want the most complete playthrough I'd focus on Kingmaker for now and wait until this second season of Wrath DLC wraps up.
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So I bit and got Kingmaker in the end. Made an Inquisitor Sacred huntsman dwarf with a mastodon since I found it funny I can have a fucking elephant as a pet and Lawful Evil. For now I'm finding most of the evil interactions too far into the deranged side so I'm leaning more on the lawful part. I also decided to look into a build AFTER character creation and have noticed my ability distribution is a mess, have decided to go with a reach attack of opportunity setup (longspear for now, but already have a Farchaid I expect to blow a feat on using, unsure if I should dip a level into warrior or not though) paired with the animal companion and those teamwork feats. I am playing in normal (though recover from ailments after combat but bumped up the enemy damage to 1.0 and set normal crits to compensate). Being a bit of a cunt I scared off the Bard, but I got the undead elf lady, warrior with board and berserker lady, so I consider myself to be in good company. Just got kicking the bandits in the outpost and will recalibrate my main.
I'm playing purely turn based which I'm enjoying due to how loyal it feels to the system (good ol 5ft steps) though it does get janky sometimes like not letting me move normally even when not fatigued, and once I had my main only able to charge allies... but it works decently enough for the most part. I am worried about the Mastodon being too big, I've also had issues with it moving and not being allowed to attack for "reasons", so tempted to go with another pet for something smaller, though I would like to fuck around with the trample as well as the increased reach from the Mastodon when it gets big to do reach traps.
I'm playing purely turn based which I'm enjoying due to how loyal it feels to the system (good ol 5ft steps) though it does get janky sometimes like not letting me move normally even when not fatigued, and once I had my main only able to charge allies... but it works decently enough for the most part. I am worried about the Mastodon being too big, I've also had issues with it moving and not being allowed to attack for "reasons", so tempted to go with another pet for something smaller, though I would like to fuck around with the trample as well as the increased reach from the Mastodon when it gets big to do reach traps.
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Enjoy the game.
On my first main playthrough - I restarted about 10 times within a few hours to remake my char, I ended up creating a full team from scratch, all with variants of the animal companion perk (theres 4 or 5 including an ork that can have a beast) and ended up with 6 custom builds, 5 of which had a leopard. I went with leopard because it's a small but powerful animal. When it powers up it gets trip, which is just mega lulz when a group of leopards are tripping everyone, especially when attack of opportunity triggers on standing up.
Nothing beats ripping into hordes of enemies with a pack of feral cats clawing the shit out of everything that moves. parking my lancer with opportunity of attack in the middle of fools lets him cut up anyone who tries to escape.
I had two flavours of ranged magic archer who get two attacks and can cantrip an arrow to give extra damage.
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I picked up Wrath recently, and while I'm enjoying it immensely, the amount of permanently missable stuff is irritating. In Kingmaker, you could revisit 99% of locations and get stuff you missed the first time around. Wrath, on the other hand, locks you out of whole acts worth of areas.
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Kingmaker is also better by the fact that you are not forced to be accompanied by the carpet muncher inter-racial couple that is Anevia and Irabeth. I could have get over it if they ever bothered to explain how and why same sex marriage even exists in this medieval fantasy world but as it exists, it is just jarring and token ESL You can tell it was Owlcat Cyprus the main studio behind WOTR rather than the Russian one.
Speaking of which, is there a way to get either of them killed so I don't have to have them around?
Speaking of which, is there a way to get either of them killed so I don't have to have them around?