Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[SilentDuck]

OK France I will stop with the surrender jokes, no need to kill off a young generation asking themselves why they enlisted to die for some 3rd world shithole.

At 60,000 that kind of kind of number is either evidence it's all bluster and posturing or evidence of just how badly globohomo wants Odessa and the Black Sea.

 

[Susanna]

Any reasonably large French contingent is prime nuke bait. NATO cannot be allowed to interfere so overtly. Sadly, I doubt Putin would be willing to go through with it, he's much too soft. Drawing up red lines is fine, but they must be enforced.

 

[blackjack101]

Checked other thread saying France alone can MAD Russia, While I think on the otherhand the Dead Hand does not have to be pulled and basically can annex the country without nuking it. It rather comes to how many nuclear missiles France has with their capabilities and what amount of SAM's Russia has and how they improved those capabilities.

France supposedly signed some agreement where they can't have more than 300 nuclear warheads, but it comes down to where those nuclear warheads are in. A large portion can be in cruise missiles like ASMP and Storm shadow. The thing those have to be transferred with aircrafts to Ukraine and that is highly assuming the Russians wouldn't bomb your location in Ukraine. And depending on the aircraft of choice to carry those a good distance has to be travelled through Ukraine than to Russia assuming the aircraft or missile was not shot down. And alerting the Russians that you used sent a nuke to detonate in their airspace or Ukraine might have dire consequences in return depending on their next choice of action.

Even if France has some SRBM, MRBMs or IRBMs laying around the early version of the S-400 was meant to deal with those threats back in 2007, and they got newer radars and made new modifications with their SAM missiles like new warhead tracking sensors and boosting the G-load from 30 to 60 along with increasing range to deal with the possibility that their BMs have maneuvering capabilities like the Topol-M

https://topwar.ru/164483-neozvuchennye-detali-ispytanij-s-400-na-poligone-kapustin-jar-chto-imitirovali-rakety-misheni-favorit-rm.html?ysclid=lu1j38jrn101780481

The Yars replaced the Topol and the Cedar missile replaced the Yars which segways into what is left of Frances SLBM and ICBM arsenal and what capabilities do they have?

https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/m51/

Supposedly 57 were planned but orders were cut. I am assuming these SLBMs only follow a simple ballistic trajectory before releasing MIRVs and there is no information that it has abilities like the Topol-M which can maneuver before the midcourse phase, short engine burn time following take off which gives a short reaction to satellite detection of launches during its boost phase and also a more flat ballistic trajectory with a lesser reaction time for ground based radars to track and intercept. The Yars probably has more sophisticated capabilites than the Topol and the Cedar has more sophisticated capabilities than Yars.

The S-500 is stated to intercept 10 ICBMs simultaneously according to earlier claims, intercept HGVs and has recently intercepted a SLBM.
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/03/29/russia-to-upgrade-moscows-missile-defenses-by-years-end/
10 battalions of S-500s assuming SLBMs are just ICBMs were ordered in 2021 to complete the 2027 armement program which can give capabilities to intercept 100 ICBM/SLBMs with the assumption that the interception rate is good and that Frances M51s dont misfire. And the program states the A-235 is to be completed by the end of the armament program which has new interceptor missiles that operate farther than the S-500 and has powerful ground radar defense called Voronezh radars and I think they will be fielding the Yakhroma radar with it https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/10438637 and I think this might be their 1st photonic radar since it will operate in meter 30-300mhz, decimeter 300mhz-3ghz, centimeter 3-30ghz, millimeter 30-300ghz frequencies.

But yeah, this is why they were mad the US exited the ABM treaty and I dont think they would let it fly having Ukraine be a part of NATO with the assumption that the west would reach their level of ABM capabilities to be closer to their borders reducing their nuclear strike capabilities. It paranoid the Russians enough to create Sarmatian, Poseidon, Burevestnik, Zircon, Kinzhal, more new missiles on tracked vehicles to move anywhere in Russia like yars, and a dedicated underground high speed train station carrying nuclear missiles in containers choosing random tracks on AI decisions to complicate western decision making on ever trying to strike Russia. This sounds like excessive schizo behavior of the world is coming to get us

speaking of nukes, France is recently restarting their production.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

vichy style

to be fair I don't think the vichy gov would have ever let the immigration/demographic problem get as bad as under the current administration

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

speaking of nukes, France is recently restarting their production

I thought senile biden and his deranged woke administration who would get us into nuclear exchange but instead we get macron and his attention seeking behavior that will get us into nuclear winter. How very 21st century.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

MSN uploaded a video of "Russian servicemen demolish Ukrainian targets with 'Tor-M1' missile system Remarkable footage shows Russian servicemen purportedly demolishing Ukrainian targets with the 'Tor-M1'"

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/russian-servicemen-demolish-ukrainian-targets-with-tor-m1-missile-system/vi-BB1kg3MX

Archives keep failing to archive the video, and yt-dlp doesn't help

 

[Rubick]

The minute France launches their SLBM. Russia will retaliate and not only on France but on everyone else.


Tactical nukes are another game though. This however isn't a winning game either. Russia has more of them and in variety of platforms of variety of ranges. Europe will be more fucked then Russia.

People in that thread are fucking dumb.

 

[Butterschmalz]

Counterpoint: Ursula von der Leyen.

Counterpoint: not a leader. At least according to her own chancellor Scholz:

https://www.euractiv.com/section/po...r-leyen-from-natos-top-job-bid-media-reports/

The other 2 guys considered for the NATO job are Mark Rutte (childless) and the Romanian guy Klaus Iohannis (childless).
Well at least Uschi can pump out a few kids. Some fun facts: The last 3 German chancellors are childless: Schroeder, Merkel and Scholz. And so is Geert Wilders with his Jewish wife.

 

[Uncle Holter]

The other 2 guys considered for the NATO job are Mark Rutte (childless) and the Romanian guy Klaus Iohannis (childless).
Well at least Uschi can pump out a few kids. Some fun facts: The last 3 German chancellors are childless: Schroeder, Merkel and Scholz. And so is Geert Wilders with his Jewish wife.

Them being childless is not necessarily a bad thing. Having a childless leader could be a good thing if they have instead dedicated their entire lives to the people and are carrying on their own genes through the success of their kinsmen instead of reproducing themselves. This however is obviously not what is happening, they aren't like celibate monks dedicating everything to serving the Volk.

They are sacrificing EVERYTHING for a much more dark and satanic force.

 

[01169]

The other 2 guys considered for the NATO job are Mark Rutte (childless) and the Romanian guy Klaus Iohannis (childless).
Well at least Uschi can pump out a few kids. Some fun facts: The last 3 German chancellors are childless: Schroeder, Merkel and Scholz. And so is Geert Wilders with his Jewish wife.

Yeah I'm not buying into that. Like you said von der Leyen has like 7 kids and she's the worst of the whole bunch. I mean fucking Klaus Schwab and George Soros have children.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

I'm starting to think that this is all a set up, an agreed upon plan by Globohomo+Russia.

sending 60,000 young, white male soldiers from a country ravaged by immigrants, to go die in a meat grinder is too close to 'Replacement Theory' for me.

Why France? Why not other slavic or baltic states? Why not Germany?

I don't believe (hope and Pray to the Lord God and Jesus Christ, Almighty) that there will be nuclear strikes in Europe. Some mid-east tat-for-tat, yes, it can be very quickly contained, but a nuke in Europe is game-over for everyone.

 

[There Is Light At The End]

In other news, Russia ramping up production of avia bombs. FAB 500, 1500 and 3000. Ria novosti
Russian article about it. Can use a built in translation from browser, it's readable enough to get the point of it

https://ria.ru/20240321/fab-1934743308.html

 

[Legato]

You guys a fuck-tarded. Nobody is going to throw nukes over Ukraine, and France is not going to send troops to Ukraine.

 

[make_it_so]

You guys a fuck-tarded. Nobody is going to throw nukes over Ukraine, and France is not going to send troops to Ukraine.

"You guys are fuck-tarded. Nobody is going to start a fucking continent-wide war over some inbred Austrian archduke getting gunned down by a dipshit Serb."

 

[Fapcop]

Read an article by Seymour Hersh over o. Substack, not going to post the entire thing here, but here is a snippet:

The American official, who is kept abreast of the ongoing talks between leaders of the two armies at war, said that officials of the Biden administration, working with Zelensky, continue to rebuff any chances of significant progress in peace talks. The reality, he said, is “that the lands in dispute”—four oblasts formerly in Ukraine’s control and Crimea—“from north to south and east to west all are Russia’s. So stop talking about it and make a deal.” Right now, “Putin could drive to Lviv”—near the border with Poland in western Ukraine—“but what would he gain in terms of his current dominance? US vacillation and peace at home? He wants Kharkiv, and he will get it when he forces Zalensky to capitulate.
“We were on the verge of a reasonable negotiation several months ago before Putin’s re-election and Zelensky’s military degradation. The US leaders got wind of the possibility and gave Zelensky the ultimatum—‘No negotiations or settlement or we won’t support your government with the $45 billion in non-military funds [that Ukraine is now receiving annually]. Biden has staked his presidency on meeting the Russian threat to NATO and outsmarting the monster, and he will not change course now, under any circumstances, and the end is inevitable. There is no road to victory for Ukraine, and it will end with Putin as an historical icon in Russia, having recovered a national jewel [Kharkiv] from the West.”

The conclusion is that even senior administration members and bureaucrats realize that Russia has won, and what the result will be… But since ol’ Joe has staked all of his prestige on the Putler nonsense, he’s caught in a bind.

TLDR: No peace until Trump is in office.

You guys a fuck-tarded. Nobody is going to throw nukes over Ukraine, and France is not going to send troops to Ukraine.

“You guys are retards, the Archduke is going to be fine, and Germany and Russia wouldn’t start a pointless war over this shit!”

Legato’s great grandfather probably. Scribbled in a bathroom underneath somebody’s doom posting about Sarajevo.

No, no, that's all understandable, but what I mean is with the rules clearly being bent and misinterpreted whatever which way would it not present a more substantial escalation if the troops were there on whatever raison d'etre the French will cook up as a justification when they get hit with a cruise missile? Let's say Elensky invites them over the same way Assad invited the Russians over to Syria back in the day before the 31st of March, when the elections were meant to be held.

Thus my juxtaposition of "dead mercenaries that technically shouldn't exist" and "dead actual French ground forces" and the suggestion that these two are not the same.

I am likewise not French, and likewise I am confident that Russia would have no problem annihilating some frenchmen, and I am likewise sure that this is not going to be popular with the French populace, but I am worried that this could be used as a justification to draw in participants even further into the war.

There are elections in France next year, and Macron and his party are very unpopular. Approval rating in the 30ies.

IF French troops start coming back in bodybags, I could totally see the French hit the streets in protests. (Again!)

Having said that, the guy is clearly regarded, so he may just try something, even though I doubt it, and he’s likely just playing tough guy, so his grandma wife will give him a handie or something.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

There are elections in France next year, and Macron and his party are very unpopular. Approval rating in the 30ies.

IF French troops start coming back in bodybags, I could totally see the French hit the streets in protests. (Again!)

Having said that, the guy is clearly regarded, so he may just try something, even though I doubt it, and he’s likely just playing tough guy, so his grandma wife will give him a handie or something.

IIRC there's a correlation between leaders who will lose at their next election and their respective countries going to war.

Thatcher, Blair, Bush, Obama, Zelensky to name but a few.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

There are elections in France next year, and Macron and his party are very unpopular. Approval rating in the 30ies.

Macron can't run for the third consecutive turn.

Let us for a moment assume that it is 202X, Putin has won and Ukraine is no more. This will leave him with a battle-hardened army... on the border of Europe... that has completely, uttersly shat itself by throwing all of its arsenal into the raging dumpster fire and is standing with its pants down. The temptation to score a few extra geopolitical goals will be strong.

Of course, Putin has not yet won and the Russian army does not have the capacity to capture large population centers like Kharkov. Yet.

 

[Uncle Holter]

There are elections in France next year, and Macron and his party are very unpopular. Approval rating in the 30ies.

So was that genocidal kike Nicolas Sarkozy, did that mean they got someone better in charge? Ofc not, it's a democracy after all. Vote all you want, all you are picking is which guy will fuck you, your people and your nation.

 

[IamnottheNSA]

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[Drag-on Knight 91873]

There are elections in France next year, and Macron and his party are very unpopular. Approval rating in the 30ies.

IF French troops start coming back in bodybags, I could totally see the French hit the streets in protests. (Again!)

Having said that, the guy is clearly regarded, so he may just try something, even though I doubt it, and he’s likely just playing tough guy, so his grandma wife will give him a handie or something.

Well, I hope the weebs actually use their swords this time.