Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

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When will the Judge issue a ruling regarding the Motion to Dismiss?

  • This Month

    Votes: 67 14.6%
  • Next Month

    Votes: 55 12.0%
  • This Year

    Votes: 73 15.9%
  • Next Year

    Votes: 153 33.4%
  • Whenever he issues an update to the sanctions

    Votes: 110 24.0%

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    458
I'm actually confused as to what the opening move here should be. The attorneys have presented themselves, but who has the ball? Is Russel supposed to make a filing? Or is Null?
Mr. Hardin ought to either refile the motion to comply, file a motion for sanctions, or file a Rule 41 (b) motion to dismiss, or any combination of them

That aside, technically the ball is in Russ’ court to meet the deadlines and continue to litigate the case. Null has done his part and submitted his answer to the complaint.
Wouldn't Greer have to restate his claim for the Florida court? Or is that just transferred information with the court switch?
All documents have transferred over. There is no issue regarding local laws, because his complaint is concerned with Federal copyright law
 
I'm actually confused as to what the opening move here should be. The attorneys have presented themselves, but who has the ball? Is Russel supposed to make a filing? Or is Null?
This isn't a new start from scratch trial. All filings are as filed. Russel has still blown his filing deadlines, although he may try his "I'm an incompetent retard" plea for forgiveness on those. The court will put it on the calender, and seek to move forward with any unresolved motions. While mooting those inaplicable or simply insane. The parties will be told to hold another (hah!) Scheduling conference.
 
As is this:
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I'm gonna need more popcorn.
I lied, THIS is really going to piss Greer off, this is Rule 7.1 Motions in their local rules:
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Attorney Conference Required. Before filing a motion raising an issue, an attorney for the moving party must attempt in good faith to resolve the issue through a meaningful conference with an attorney for the adverse party. The adverse party’s attorney must participate in the conference in good faith. The conference may be conducted in person, by telephone, in writing, or electronically, but an oral conference is encouraged. An email or other writing sent at or near the time of filing the motion is not a meaningful conference. When a conference is conducted in writing or electronically, an attorney ordinarily should be afforded at least 24 hours—as calculated under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 6—to respond to a communication. This Rule 7.1(B) applies to an unrepresented (pro se) party only if the party is not in custody.

So, Russ, before you make any more stupid motions you have to TALK to the opposing attorney.
 
I like that we ended the case in Utah with a nice clean 100 entries in the case.
Until Russ drools into the docket again.
I think what Moon wants most of all is to have this case dismissed WITH prejudice. If you have a case dismissed with prejudice it means Greer cannot ever refile this case again. He could appeal the prejudice, which to my understanding could go really badly if it is not granted.
It's hard to imagine a case that results in a vexatious litigant finding that wouldn't be dismissed with prejudice. No judge with a functioning brain is going to dismiss a case without prejudice so it can be filed again and simultaneously find that it was so frivolous it warrants the heaviest sanctions a litigant can receive.
Judge Rodgers oversees multiple huge MDLs, including the 3M earplugs MDL. I have no doubt she and her clerks will find Greer's nonsense filings to be a waste of their time.
I think she chucks it to a magistrate for anything non-dispositive but very well may take over and chuck the whole case personally if it's dispositive. I'm not sure how the procedural defaults in the previous court apply to the new one. They may be effectively reset. Russ still has to adhere to the rules in big boy court though.
 
I lied, THIS is really going to piss Greer off, this is Rule 7.1 Motions in their local rules:
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Attorney Conference Required. Before filing a motion raising an issue, an attorney for the moving party must attempt in good faith to resolve the issue through a meaningful conference with an attorney for the adverse party. The adverse party’s attorney must participate in the conference in good faith. The conference may be conducted in person, by telephone, in writing, or electronically, but an oral conference is encouraged. An email or other writing sent at or near the time of filing the motion is not a meaningful conference. When a conference is conducted in writing or electronically, an attorney ordinarily should be afforded at least 24 hours—as calculated under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 6—to respond to a communication. This Rule 7.1(B) applies to an unrepresented (pro se) party only if the party is not in custody.

So, Russ, before you make any more stupid motions you have to TALK to the opposing attorney.
So the case can be over very quickly in this cool off period.
If Greer can calm down ask for reasonable terms.
 
It’s so awful, guys! I’ve just learned that Florida courts discriminate against people like Russ! They make them, gasp!, follow the rules.

“We liberally construe the filings of pro se litigants. Nevertheless, we still require them to comply with procedural rules” - Pouyeh v. Pub. Health Tr. of Jackson Health Sys., No. 17-12749 (11th Cir. Nov. 21, 2017)

I sure hope that there isn’t a poor pro se litigant well known for breaching such rules…
 
i think he'll try to file a motion in this new court to try and get them to transfer the case back to utah
Remember he's literally been given all but a personal lesson by a judge on how to serve someone and still stubbornly refused to serve Taylor Swift properly, instead insisting his original (utterly improper) service was proper and his case was thrown out. I could easily see him continuing to sperg out in the closed Utah case.
“We liberally construe the filings of pro se litigants. Nevertheless, we still require them to comply with procedural rules” - Pouyeh v. Pub. Health Tr. of Jackson Health Sys., No. 17-12749 (11th Cir. Nov. 21, 2017)

I sure hope that there isn’t a poor pro se litigant well known for breaching such rules…
The Tenth Circuit improperly went beyond "liberally construe" and outright made shit up that was simply not in the original complaint even by the most lenient interpretation. No wonder the Utah judge chucked this hot potato to Florida.
When do we get fanart of this judge with some kiwis and a slobbering mutt?
When and if our motion to dismiss is granted with prejudice.
If he had competent council from the start, they would have directed this at Google and not us.
Russ doesn't care about Google. He cares about us.
 
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I lied, THIS is really going to piss Greer off, this is Rule 7.1 Motions in their local rules:
View attachment 5838247
Attorney Conference Required. Before filing a motion raising an issue, an attorney for the moving party must attempt in good faith to resolve the issue through a meaningful conference with an attorney for the adverse party. The adverse party’s attorney must participate in the conference in good faith. The conference may be conducted in person, by telephone, in writing, or electronically, but an oral conference is encouraged. An email or other writing sent at or near the time of filing the motion is not a meaningful conference. When a conference is conducted in writing or electronically, an attorney ordinarily should be afforded at least 24 hours—as calculated under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 6—to respond to a communication. This Rule 7.1(B) applies to an unrepresented (pro se) party only if the party is not in custody.

So, Russ, before you make any more stupid motions you have to TALK to the opposing attorney.
poor hardin now has to listen to russ mumble about his plights on the phone whenever he wants to file something
 
All documents have transferred over. There is no issue regarding local laws, because his complaint is concerned with Federal copyright law
There is, however, with local (procedural) rules and local precedent, with Florida being bound by Eleventh Circuit law and not Tenth Circuit law. I don't think they can revisit the remand, but they are bound by the laws of their own circuit. I may be wrong, but am not interested in doing a deep dive on it and suspect even that would have perplexing results that would require a pages-long autistic essay even to explain.

I leave it to Hardin to analyze that and decide whether a renewed 12(b)(6) motion in the new court is the proper cause of action or whether, in my shooting from the hip opinion, it would be better to pursue the procedural defaults such that any dismissal is on different grounds than the original.

On the 12(b)(6) side, it would move the case in the direction of complex res judicata arguments that Russ is too retarded even to understand much less make a coherent argument about, but it also runs into the possibility of another trip to an appeals court, and on top of that, one that might attract back the very idiots who are why we're still in this case, in an attempt to import their horrible precedent into another circuit.

A dismissal because the bamboon screwed the pooch (again) and defaulted on his obligations would present no such interesting scenario to those two snakes.
 
Hold up, guys. If Russhole actually goes to engage with the opposing counsel for motions per the rules, that’s a shitload of billable hours for Hardin when he does his inane ramblings. This might be some 4D chess to deplete the warchest.
It just requires a good faith effort to engage, not that you spend needless hours in an exercise in futility. Anyway nool's covered. This slurping retard will not drain the war chest unless he somehow wins and gets max statutory damages on both claims.
 
Hold up, guys. If Russhole actually goes to engage with the opposing counsel for motions per the rules, that’s a shitload of billable hours for Hardin when he does his inane ramblings. This might be some 4D chess to deplete the warchest.
You forget, we are well-oiled and ready to last for the long run.
 
Is being retarded a good reason.
Didn’t work for Melinda, though I suppose she didn’t exactly put it as her reason.
Each Court is allowed leeway to interpret the rules within the confines of their own district.
Is that really the case? While it’s true that a District court is free to interpret local rules, they are not free to interpret federal rules.

Compare these 11th Circuit cases. In West v. City of Albany, No. 19-11418 (11th Cir. Oct. 2, 2020), the Court held that they “defer to a district court's interpretation of its own rules, reviewing that interpretation only for abuse of discretion”. The title of that section makes it clear the talk is about local rules.

However, “to the extent that the issue involves the interpretation of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, we review de novo”. See Pickett v. Iowa Beef Processors, 209 F.3d 1276 (11th Cir. 2000). 7 years later they affirmed it in Long v. Raymond, 245 F. App'x 912 (11th Cir. 2007), and held that “A district court's interpretation of federal procedural rules, such as the Federal Rules of Evidence, is subject to de novo review

The only two ways I could see Mr. Hardin succeeding on 12 (b) (6) is to either do what @Tathagata suggests, that is to conceded that the 10th’s interpretation is binding on the case, but suggest that the 11th use the power it recognised for itself to disregard their opinion as “clearly erroneous”, or to try and go via the route of Walker v. Martin, 562 U.S. 307, 131 S. Ct. 1120, 179 L. Ed. 2d 62 (2011), and start trying to get the court to start tossing rules here and there. After all, “Sound procedure often requires discretion to exact or excuse compliance with strict rules, and we have no cause to discourage standards allowing courts to exercise such discretion.” Sure, the context is entirely different, and I’m 90% that’s not what they meant, but that’s an option too.

I leave it to Hardin to analyze that and decide whether a renewed 12(b)(6) motion in the new court is the proper cause of action or whether, in my shooting from the hip opinion, it would be better to pursue the procedural defaults such that any dismissal is on different grounds than the original.
Rule 41 (b) dismissal seems a lot less complicated, and therefore more likely (to succeed) than a renewed Rule 12(b)(6).
 
They filed an answer two months ago (docket 66)
Does that count as a proper answer or was it just a "proposed answer"? I thought it was something like "we don't have to enter an answer at this time but if we do it will look like this".
 
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Let's not forget the inevitable Acerthorne lolsuit. Just because you know at some point he's going to.

I'd guess old Stabby will wait to see if the SCotUS chooses to rule or not. If they void the appeal Stabby wont have any grounds to sue Null for displaying his DMCA takedown notice.

Not that that will stop him. As a Acerthorn connoisseur I guarantee ole Stabby will find a way to sue Null for a billion dollars. And no I'm not exaggerating that amount in the least.
 
I dunno man, her eyes look like they're two millimeters away from that sanpaku look.

I think this case will hinge on whether she has a hate boner for Null and KF. If she doesn't, all we have to do is wait for Greer to inevitably trip her psycho switch.
 
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