RU Shooting and blast reported at concert hall near Moscow, Russian agencies say - ISIS Claims Responsibility

March 22 (Reuters) - Shooting broke out at a large concert hall near Moscow on Friday, Russian news agencies quoted emergency services as saying.



RIA news agency said at least three people in camouflage clothing had opened fire at the Crocus City Hall, and that some people had been wounded.

Police had arrived at the scene, RIA said.

Video footage published on Russian social media channels showed chaotic scenes, with a large crowd of concertgoers attempting to flee the hall, followed by gunshots.

Other video footage showed a number of people lying motionless in pools of blood outside the hall

Reuters was unable immediately to verify the footage.

TASS news agency reported an explosion and a fire in the building where the shooting took place.

The Kommersant newspaper posted footage online showing smoke billowing from what it said was the concert venue building.

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[World in Scarlet]

Well, then looks like more Ukrainians will have to die until that deal stops being moot, I guess.

The Russian government made this a war for national survival for Ukraine. Meanwhile the Russian army, while larger and having a large stockpile of equipment, is suffering far heavier losses than the Ukrainian one and is unable to make significant advances at this point, so it's not like the Russian negotiation position is all that great.

It only requested the recognition of Crimea, non-bloc status of Ukraine and representation for the Donbass.

It looked a whole lot like Minsk III, that is to say, Russian government kicking the can down the road to try again sometime later against a hopefully weaker Ukraine, which is why part of why the Ukrainians weren't keen on it either and dropped it when it looked like there was a chance to fight it out.
This was also not a finalized agreement the Russians actually signed, so who knows what the ultimate outcome of that would have been.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

The Russian government made this a war for national survival for Ukraine. Meanwhile the Russian army, while larger and having a large stockpile of equipment, is suffering far heavier losses than the Ukrainian one and is unable to make significant advances at this point, so it's not like the Russian negotiation position is all that great.

The Russian negotiation position is irrelevant as long as Ukrainian ban on negotiations of any kind continues to hold.

 

[World in Scarlet]

The Russian negotiation position is irrelevant as long as Ukrainian ban on negotiations of any kind continues to hold.

I noticed that you only hold the Ukrainian side to anything, while the Russian gets a free pass despite starting this war and conducting it in the degenerate way it does.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

I noticed that you only hold the Ukrainian side to anything, while the Russian gets a free pass despite starting this war and conducting it in the degenerate way it does.

I noticed the opposite of you. Your point being?..

 

[Blazeuser56]

So is Israel behind the attack or no? I doubt ISIS is even that competent to lurk into Russia

 

[Doctor Love]

You'd think those countries, which are geographically much smaller and have way more GDP to spend on border security, would be doing so much better...

Jesus, this might be even worse than failing to understand how fire works.

Instead they should have been stopped for going in without a work permit/contract.

It's a consequence of complacency more than anything else. It's alarming that this happened in "wartime" - while I definitely think ISIS is propped up by the USA, it's not a good look for Russia if they still allow busloads of foreign workers to seep into the country.

 

[otherdispair]

The Russian negotiation position is irrelevant as long as Ukrainian ban on negotiations of any kind continues to hold.

"Hey it doesn't matter that I want to send you to the gulag, kidnap your children and sell your wife as a sex slave to some churcas. If you refuse to negotiate you are in the wrong, you know I might let your daughter go with your wife instead off giving her to the pedos. That's worth negotiating right?."

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

"Hey it doesn't matter that I want to send you to the gulag, kidnap your children and sell your wife as a sex slave to some churcas. If you refuse to negotiate you are in the wrong, you know I might let your daughter go with your wife instead off giving her to the pedos. That's worth negotiating right?."

If the sides refuse to negotiate, the hostilities continue and people keep dying until one of the sides breaks, simple as that.

 

[Slav Power]

dead russians are dead russians. i'll celebrate when those responsible are dead too.

Why just celebrate? Join the fight and be the change you want to see in the world! If you love seeing Russians die, why won't you join in on the fun and take some potshots at all the orcs on the Ukrainian frontline? They can't even shoot at you with those old rusted AK's and Mosins that don't work, it'll be like playing a video game on god mode!

 

[World in Scarlet]

Your point being?

Your bias blinds you to reality and makes your judgment about anything related to Russia suspect.
What's next, crying about russophobia because some Ukrainians aren't sufficiently sad about this after years of watching everyday Russians cheer after every attack by the Russian government on Ukrainian civilians?

 

[not william stenchever]

13. Moon Nazis
14. Antarctica Nazis
15. Vampire Nazis
16. Ayyylmaos
17. Dear Feeder himself

Vampiric Pizza Nazis from Outer Space

 

[otherdispair]

If the sides refuse to negotiate, the hostilities continue and people keep dying until one of the sides breaks, simple as that.

Yes, but if the thing you are negotiating over is the death of your nation why not just fight it out?
Russias demands are, "spread your ass cheeks, present your ass and pray we don't come back for round two" that isn't an opening position for negotiations.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

The Russian government made this a war for national survival for Ukraine. Meanwhile the Russian army, while larger and having a large stockpile of equipment, is suffering far heavier losses than the Ukrainian one and is unable to make significant advances at this point, so it's not like the Russian negotiation position is all that great.

Is it ignorance that makes you say things that are diametrically opposed to reality, or a desire to manifest lies into truths by repeating them enough times?

the Russian gets a free pass despite starting this war and conducting it in the degenerate way it does.

Ah yes, the degenerate Russian way of conducting war - actively attempting to prevent collateral damage and civilian deaths. As contrasted with the honorable Ukrainian way of conducting war - blowing up dams to flood Russian-controlled territory, shelling nuclear power plants, continuously shelling ostensibly "Ukrainian" cities with no military targets in petty revenge/terror attacks.

Russias demands are, "spread your ass cheeks, present your ass and pray we don't come back for round two" that isn't an opening position for negotiations.

These were not the demands in spring of 2022. And they weren't the demands before the invasion began.

Yeah, when you want it the hard way - the list of demands changes to match the amount of blood you've forced me to spill in order to force you to the negotiating table.

You don't get to tell your neighbor to go fuck himself, get into a fight with him, kill his dog, set his car on fire and then when he beats the shit out of you and says "ok bitch time to spread those cheeks" go "bro this isn't a fair negotiation!! WTF whatever happened to diplomacy!!!!"

You fucking threw out diplomacy when you said "nah fuck it we ball" and decided to turn it into a war.

 

[otherdispair]

actively attempting to prevent collateral damage and civilian deaths

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

Your bias blinds you to reality and makes your judgment about anything related to Russia suspect.

Suspect of what, exactly?

What's next, crying about russophobia because some Ukrainians aren't sufficiently sad about this after years of watching everyday Russians cheer after every attack by the Russian government on Ukrainian civilians?

So far it is you crying because I am not sufficiently sad about Ukraine after years of watching everyday Ukrainians cheer after every attack purposedly aimed at civilians - like the time they shelled a market square full of civilians during Orthodox Christmas, planted a bomb to blow up the family member of a political speaker tenuously related to the Russian government, blew up a dog walker in Belgorod with a precision missle, etc, etc.

I am not the only one whose bias blinds them to reality.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

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Hell yeah bro two can play at that game

 

[DumbDude43]

Nah goat herders will happily martyr themselves for $5,000. Many such cases

real churkas will happily martyr themselves for free if they listen to the right imam preaching at them for long enough, they don't require payment beyond the training and equipment needed for the job.
regular professional criminals will kill for money, but not mass murder terrorism like this. these want to remain low profile, they don't want to die or go to lubyanka, so even a ruthless murderer for hire will be hesitant do something that will make him public enemy number one, especially not for peanuts.

the whole story so far is weird. russian narrative seems to be moving towards a "ukraine paid criminals to do this and told them to flee to ukraine afterward" story (unless those were fake posts too, can't tell with so much nonsense going around at the moment) but i have trouble believing this, for several reasons:
1) unlike other ukraine backed sabotage attacks inside russia (like attacks on train infrastructure, or oil refineries) this attack does nothing to contribute to ukraines war effort in any way.
2) previous ukraine backed assassinations in russia (like dugina, or that one milblogger that got blown up with a small bomb) were aimed at people directly involved with russian war propaganda, while this one seems to be an untargeted spergout against random unrelated civilians.
3) the blowback against ukraine from this would be severe, not just from russia and its allies but from the entire world, greatly undermining its position.
4) if ukraine had the ability to mobilize multiple heavily armed fighters inside moscow, they would have like a million more important targets to go after. wasting these fighters on a pointless bloodbath like this makes no sense.

putting time, money, effort and valuable assets into an operation that won't benefit your side in any way even in case of success, and that will heavily damage your position if it is found out, it does not make sense to me at all.

 

[otherdispair]

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Hell yeah bro two can play at that game
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So you don't contest that the russians blew up a building full of women and children while it was clearly written just outside that there where children and that is you idea of "actively attempting to prevent collateral damage and civilian deaths".
No, WHAT ABOUT! WHAT ABOUT! WHAT ABOUT!
congrats you don't have an argument

 

[Cascade]

No matter who is behind it, the government will use it to their advantage. Blame Ukraine and mobilize a couple of hundred thousands, increase gun control to further disarm the ordinary people, organise mass raids and "inspections" to instil more fear, and so on. This has been like that after every terrorist attack in the past, not only in Russia.

 

[World in Scarlet]

Suspect of what, exactly?

Of being bullshit, obviously. If you're dishonest and manipulative about this topic, how is one to know which other topics you are willing to deceive people about? You prove that point by regurgitating more braindead propaganda in the second part of your post. Any attack that hits Russian civilians is evil Ukronazis shelling them on purpose. Never friendly fire or collateral damage. At the same time obvious deliberate attacks on Ukrainian civilians by the Russian government are completely ignored.