Euro migrant crisis

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/02/europe/europe-migrant-crisis/index.html

People from the middle east, mostly Syria are fleeing to Europe because of war and poverty. People are dieing just trying to cross the Mediterranean. The EU is trying to solve the crisis while other countries are closing their borders.

 

[kenham]

It's weird how it seems like every single Western country has a terrible education system that totally fails *group who make up a large number of criminals*. And yet other groups go through those same education systems and don't resort to crime. Almost like there is something more to it than just education being shitty. Nah, it's much more likely that a big old bunch of racists all inexplicably decided to get jobs as teachers at inner city schools.

Education is the main factor driving inequality of opportunity in our globalised world. Of course there are multiple factors to consider, but in Germany's case the education system surely is one of the key factors to blame. I don't know how you want to explain the widespread failure of integration other than through inequality of opportunity.
Speaking of weird coincidences: applying Ockham's razor, what seems more likely to you? That we've got a huge problem with inequality of opportunity in the Western world which drives migrant families to establish parallel societies instead of being encouraged to integrate, or that everyone with a slightly different Melanin count, a slightly different eye slant or a slightly different facial shape is inherently bad at living in a society where the majority shares slightly different features than them? No, it surely is a certain not scientifically-proven genetic feature only inherited among certain ethnic groups with certain religions.

Fuck this pathetic shit, you want to laugh at poor arguments and sourcing go right ahead, but at least have the decency not to follow it up by claiming Germans can't reference Jewish newspapers because of world war 2. Why did you even write all that shit when you could have saved so much time by just calling them nazis in the first place?

I think you misunderstood me. There's nothing wrong with Germans referencing Jewish sources (in fact, I'm even in favour of legalising the Hitler salute and Nazi symbols in Germany as well), I simply made fun of the fact that these kind of right-wing populists have people among their ideological ancestors which would have frowned at that choice of newspaper to source. You're right, I could have easily just called them Nazis in the beginning, but that would have been no constructive argumenting at all. Believe it or not, there are progressives who uphold the freedom of speech of even their enemies.

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

If I would have dismissed these opinions as not worth discussing about, I would have on the one hand played into the hands of those accusing the left-wing elite to be detached from the people (which isn't that far from reality, really), and on the other hand commited the very same mistake as these very elites I despise as well.

 

[Brandobaris]

I completely agree with you. Without a doubt, Germany has gone to its capacatory limits during this crisis, and as I said before, multiple mistakes have been made.
Also, I completely despise the tendency to censor by the CDU. In a democracy, absolute free speech is the only viable way.

I don't think its a mistake. Merkel has had past ties to communist groups. And in her own statement she says that "Germany is a Muslim country" its full steam ahead as far as she is concerned. She's like Trudeau on steroids really. And I think she hopes to eliminate German Heritage, German Culture, and the German people through intergration because of German and White Guilt, since they have the last 100 year of modern globalist history and media saying this is the worst people to ever have existed. Even the Mongols or Alexander doesn't have the sort of bad rap today Germany has.

 

[Male Idiot]

I don't think its a mistake. Merkel has had past ties to communist groups. And in her own statement she says that "Germany is a Muslim country" its full steam ahead as far as she is concerned. She's like Trudeau on steroids really. And I think she hopes to eliminate German Heritage, German Culture, and the German people through intergration because of German and White Guilt, since they have the last 100 year of modern globalist history and media saying this is the worst people to ever have existed. Even the Mongols or Alexander doesn't have the sort of bad rap today Germany has.

And they are hell bent on bringing the rest of the continent down with them, even countries that had absolutely nothing to do with the whole affair and have zero reason to feel guilty.

 

[krautkid]

I don't think its a mistake. Merkel has had past ties to communist groups. And in her own statement she says that "Germany is a Muslim country" its full steam ahead as far as she is concerned. She's like Trudeau on steroids really. And I think she hopes to eliminate German Heritage, German Culture, and the German people through intergration because of German and White Guilt, since they have the last 100 year of modern globalist history and media saying this is the worst people to ever have existed. Even the Mongols or Alexander doesn't have the sort of bad rap today Germany has.

My earliest memory of school when moving to the US when I was about 6 from Germany was repeatedly being called Nazi by my classmates. Good times.

But anyway, you're not wrong that there are a lot of elites who think German Nationalism is just about the worse thing you can be beyond being an open Nazi. And they've built up the perfect system of public shaming if you even show any WHIFF of dissatisfaction about the state of Germany by labeling you 'bigot' and 'racist'. It's self-governing censorship by invoking this morality code upon it's people.

It's almost the number one reason I don't live in Germany now. My cowoker is a huge krautophile and talks about moving there because he 'loves the culture' and I'm just like, yeah, no. We used to have a culture but now it's just being slowly assimilated and dismantled as being a relic of the past. 'We're a Muslim country' indeed.

 

[Ineedahero]

a slightly different eye slant or a slightly different facial shape

Here is the flaw in your argument, if people with different 'eye slants' and 'facial shapes were falling behind, maybe it could be attributed to 'white people society just doesn't work for others'. However as we have seen time and time again, Asians and people from places like the Caribbean, Israel and Jordan don't just survive in the west, they thrive. And that happens even when they self segregate, although if the Jewish diaspora and the introduction of Japan to the international community taught us anything it's that the entire planet does better when they don't. So, without multiplying entities beyond necessity, what seems more likely, that there is a problem with education systems throughout the world that have managed to produce millions of educated citizens of all races, religions and creeds, or that some cultures - like say a culture that has seen the majority of its nations not make any forward progress in over a century, a culture that sees women as wicked temptresses who deserve to be raped if they step out of line, a culture that actively punishes anyone who attempts to look critically (by which I mean with critique in mind, although certainly the other kind of critically too) at its faith - are failing their members?

Believe it or not, there are progressives who uphold the freedom of speech of even their enemies.

Believe it or not, I'm one of them, which is why I found that paragraph so infuriating. Leaving aside the fact that calling Hitler right or left wing is useless because the term means a thousand different things to everyone, I'm confused. Considering you call your hypothetical opponent ( i.e. Anyone who opposes you) a braindead evolutionary reject and a fucktard, I'm not sure what kind of discussion you are looking to foster, but I can't see how calling someone a Nazi would have been any worse.

Edit: I forgot to address your first sentence, and I can't be fucked to go back and work it into a coherent thought that fits with everything else I said. I agree that education is vitally important in bridging inequality. Poverty is the most important factor though. Which is why you don't see a lot of families on welfare doing home schooling.

 

[kenham]

I don't think its a mistake. Merkel has had past ties to communist groups. And in her own statement she says that "Germany is a Muslim country" its full steam ahead as far as she is concerned. She's like Trudeau on steroids really. And I think she hopes to eliminate German Heritage, German Culture, and the German people through intergration because of German and White Guilt, since they have the last 100 year of modern globalist history and media saying this is the worst people to ever have existed. Even the Mongols or Alexander doesn't have the sort of bad rap today Germany has.

No, she hasn't. She's been unpolitical until the fall of the Berlin Wall. That she is more left-wing than the CDU's mainstream is true, but something like "Germany is a Muslim country" was never said by her; what you're referring to probably is the sentence "Islam is part of Germany" uttered by our former president Christian Wulff, of which Angela Merkel later said "I agree with that."

 

[kenham]

Here is the flaw in your argument, if people with different 'eye slants' and 'facial shapes were falling behind, maybe it could be attributed to 'white people society just doesn't work for others'. However as we have seen time and time again, Asians and people from places like the Caribbean, Israel and Jordan don't just survive in the west, they thrive. And that happens even when they self segregate, although if the Jewish diaspora and the introduction of Japan to the international community taught us anything it's that the entire planet does better when they don't. So, without multiplying entities beyond necessity, what seems more likely, that there is a problem with education systems throughout the world that have managed to produce millions of educated citizens of all races, religions and creeds, or that some cultures - like say a culture that has seen the majority of its nations not make any forward progress in over a century, a culture that sees women as wicked temptresses who deserve to be raped if they step out of line, a culture that actively punishes anyone who attempts to look critically (by which I mean with critique in mind, although certainly the other kind of critically too) at its faith - are failing their members?

"Progress" is a broad term. If you are referring to social progress from a Western perspective, then you're definitely right, these countries are definitely backwards. However, this doesn't mean that people of a certain culture couldn't thrive here. Of course problems arise if people don't want to integrate into a certain culture. People from Israel or Asia have it easier here (Israel's cultural heritage shares a common history with Western/European culture and the ideals of confucianism etc. apparent in Eastern Asian culture (I'm having a hard time believing that South Eastern Asians are "thriving" as well by the way) are being rewarded in our culture of economic competition).
But I don't think trying to make the Western lifestyle attractive to migrants from cultures which share fewer "intersections" with Western culture is a lost cause, the very reason why these people retreat in parallel societies rejecting Western values is the lack of support they get integrating.

As you said:

I agree that education is vitally important in bridging inequality. Poverty is the most important factor though. Which is why you don't see a lot of families on welfare doing home schooling.

Poverty is the most important factor, but poverty stems from bad education, especially in a knowledge-based economy like we have nowadays. Education also is the most important factor in making Western values attractive, in integrating people into an inclusive society. I don't think we should think "these people are inherently unfit for integrating" just because we are having more and more trouble with certain ethnic groups. The reason for this is not the quality of the people, but the sheer quantity of people immigrating which is ever increasing in a globalised and interconnected world.
The Western nations failed to improve their integration efforts over the groundbreaking changes of the last two decades, and this is what needs to be fundamentally changed, not border policies.

Finally:

Believe it or not, I'm one of them, which is why I found that paragraph so infuriating. Leaving aside the fact that calling Hitler right or left wing is useless because the term means a thousand different things to everyone, I'm confused. Considering you call your hypothetical opponent ( i.e. Anyone who opposes you) a braindead evolutionary reject and a fucktard, I'm not sure what kind of discussion you are looking to foster, but I can't see how calling someone a Nazi would have been any worse.

I do not insult anyone who opposes me, the ignorance of some people, especially of some people who take an obvious propaganda e-mail as factual information just baffles me. Calling these people fucktards or braindead evolutionary failures (which was not an insult directed to everyone, by the way, I just included it because what the fuck do I know) does not mean I'm considering their opinions as inferior. I think they have any right to have them.

 

[AnOminous]

I think you misunderstood me. There's nothing wrong with Germans referencing Jewish sources (in fact, I'm even in favour of legalising the Hitler salute and Nazi symbols in Germany as well), I simply made fun of the fact that these kind of right-wing populists have people among their ideological ancestors which would have frowned at that choice of newspaper to source.

The Jerusalem Post is, of course, rather conservative and noted for that unlike, say, Ha'aretz. It's quoted fairly often among neoconservative circles.

 

[Brandobaris]

No, she hasn't. She's been unpolitical until the fall of the Berlin Wall. That she is more left-wing than the CDU's mainstream is true, but something like "Germany is a Muslim country" was never said by her; what you're referring to probably is the sentence "Islam is part of Germany" uttered by our former president Christian Wulff, of which Angela Merkel later said "I agree with that."

Merkel lived in Communist East Germany and was quite successful, even going to the Soviet Union to complete a degree in Physics. Only after the Berlin wall fell when she was 35, did she think to enter into politics. But to say living and studying in Communist states had no effect on her personal and political values is a stretch.


Seems I had the quote mixed up

And her she is quoted as saying Islam belongs to Germany.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-islam-merkel-idUSKBN0KL1S020150112

And here she is saying Islam is a part of Germany.

At the moment 4 million of Germany's 80 Million population are Muslim. And Merkel gave a New Years address with Arabic subtitles. A few hours later the mass sexual assaults by immigrants took place in cologne and other various towns and cities celebrating New Years Eve.

Perhaps she truly believes that Germany and its people don't deserve to exist anymore, and is why she has decided to turn a blind eye to the mass sexual assaults, rapes, and pedophilia that has occured since the open doors immigration policy began.

If this is anything to go by.

 

[ICametoLurk]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Swedish-asylum-centre-asking-use-toilet.html

Six men aged in their 20s were arrested in the days that followed they were later released.

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[pozilei]

Not to go full /pol/ tard*, but this shit has been happening in my country too. I think one of the problems is that our western European laws are made for just that: western Europeans. It okay to charge someone without immediately jailing them because your average person here has a job, a family, a house/apartment, insurance, bank accounts, etc. so they're probably not just going to bail and leave all that behind. However, when it comes to the huge influx of immigrants/migrants/refugees/rapefugees/whatever you want to call them. They don't care. They're going to move on to the next country or change their name if they get in trouble. And that's partly why our governments are failing us.

*seriously, I never thought in a million years that I'd actually agree with some of their views

 

[kenham]

Merkel lived in Communist East Germany and was quite successful, even going to the Soviet Union to complete a degree in Physics. Only after the Berlin wall fell when she was 35, did she think to enter into politics. But to say living and studying in Communist states had no effect on her personal and political values is a stretch.


Seems I had the quote mixed up

And her she is quoted as saying Islam belongs to Germany.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-islam-merkel-idUSKBN0KL1S020150112

And here she is saying Islam is a part of Germany.

Of course living and studying in the Communist states would have a profound effect on everyone. But to say, she's a communist just because she didn't get political until the biggest political change in Germany since 1949, is a huge stretch as well.
I didn't deny the fact that she said that. Everyone in Germany knew she did. However, with 4 million muslims in Germany, I really can't understand why it shouldn't be. It's just a fact.

At the moment 4 million of Germany's 80 Million population are Muslim. And Merkel gave a New Years address with Arabic subtitles. A few hours later the mass sexual assaults by immigrants took place in cologne and other various towns and cities celebrating New Years Eve.

Perhaps she truly believes that Germany and its people don't deserve to exist anymore, and is why she has decided to turn a blind eye to the mass sexual assaults, rapes, and pedophilia that has occured since the open doors immigration policy began.

If this is anything to go by.

Of course she did. Imagine if one million people come into your country, barely speaking German. Why shouldn't they have a right to know what the fuck is going on? The tagesschau (a very respectable newscast) has a version with Arabic summaries too. But it has the same in English as well. And why shouldn't it.
This notion of "German elites want to destroy German people" is nothing short of a conspiracy theory. Give me proof of them having that in their agenda, and I will believe you. Until then, it's just an obscure conspiracy theory.

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I am really baffled by this story, not because it's unbelievable, but because it never happened. The Berliner Stadtschloss is currently under reconstruction, and it will look like this:

There were never plans to go through with anything else than the classic facades. There were some extremist lunatics who meant modern facades should be included, but never whole parties.

I must say that I am shocked that you can just make up a story on the Internet and people actually believe it and form their worldview from it. Please, do not trust everything you see on the Internet.

 

[ICametoLurk]

I must say that I am shocked that you can just make up a story on the Internet and people actually believe it and form their worldview from it. Please, do not trust everything you see on the Internet.

Brandobaris is really special, a look at offtopic will help you understand why.

 

[Male Idiot]

Just because the majority of germans seems okey with their migrant and merkel love, does not give them the right to force it on everybody else.

If you want a goatfucker as your neighbour, fine. But we don't.

 

[kenham]

Just because the majority of germans seems okey with their migrant and merkel love, does not give them the right to force it on everybody else.

Where did you come to that conclusion? Just because you see that one German is in favour of trying to integrate non-criminal refugees? (I don't like Merkel by the way) Again, you are believing anything you see on the Internet. Stop being so naïve. It's dangerous.

If you want a goatfucker as your neighbour, fine. But we don't.

You're from Hungary, right? The majority of Hungarians stayed home for Orban's referendum.
Do you think we wanted one million people? If there would have agreements between the European countries of the number of refugees to let in, there would have been a much more sensible number of refugees per country, making integration easier. But because governments like the Hungarian one didn't think pragmatic, but ideological, we have had this huge clusterfuck in mid-2015. The new constitution of Hungary from 2012 now explicitely mentions Christianity as "having a role in preserving nationhood". I ask you again: what is possibly Christian in letting people in need rot in hell?
I think it's really sad that a nation as beautiful as Hungary with such an interesting history is reverting to an ideology of closed mindedness. I really want to visit Budapest some day and think it's one of the most beautiful metropoles of Europe. But with the shit going down there at the moment, I don't want to anytime soon.

 

[Male Idiot]

While I generally could point out that german-hungarian relations used to be flowery, I do agree that its not a good time to visit. Tensions are high and relations are the lowest since a german king tried to invade us down the Danube with a ship fleet.

The fact that "stayed home not to vote" is basically a propaganda lie. You need to take your own advice and listen less to artickles.

The people who stayed home was the types of people who did not give a shit and were just simply too dumb and lazy to care.
"I could go to vote or I could stay on couch and drink beer. I'll drink beer." Trust me on this, Hungarians are really spiteful in politics, and those who felt strongly opposed went int othe referendum and just draw dicks on the paper or such. This "silent no voters" your media feeds you are bumfucks who think "Gubberment will do it for us, I'll rather go read a sports magazine and drink beer."

Also, remember, we SAW the refuggees with our own eyes at the Keleti Railway station. Filthy, rapey, subhuman creatures that we would have shot if we could, behaving with less discipline than your average household pet, and with less excrement control too. 90% of them young, bulked up tattooed thugs with iphones, something most of us can curiously not afford to get!

Christianity is also, like religions, evolves over time. We prefer the more "oldschool" version of it. Crusades and the like. In fact the whole "religion of peace" tune the Vatican took in the last half century or so has utterly devastated the christian-community here, which is bleeding younger generations left and right to neopagans and atheists. We value strength and see none of it in tolerance.

We did not invite them. Merkel did. Therefore she and thus Germany MUST bear the consequences of HER actions, not US who had no say in the matter. Now your goverment wants to force its mistake on us against our will.
If you did not think ahead and made this invite, than it is YOUR duty to take care of them, not hours. We did not invite them.
Even some of the left wing people felt "agreement" to the anti migrant stance the goverment put on. Because they found out just how homophobic, antisemitic and mysoginistic these migrants are. And I'm not talking about internet ree mysoggyknees, but gang rape (Taharrush), their nazi-like love of finishing the final solution to the jewish problem, and their less than adorable habit of stoning transvestites once their groping finds the bratwurst.
A lot of promiment jewish NGOs have already taken an anti-immigration stance in Hungary while jewish people flee France from violent street assaults in droves.

We also always had closded mindedness as a trait we admired. The "ideal" hungarian is always portrayed as this pragmatic person who always tells the truth. We say what we think and we think what we say. And we say that this is a wave of human vermin that will be very harmful to us. This is us preserving said nationhood against multiple attacks on all fronts. This is also why we love Trump so much, he is rude and calls a lizard a lizard.

We have no white guilt. No guilt over WW2, No guilt whatsover about our life. We owe the world nothing except grudges.

If you want to take these rapefugees in to your country, take them, but do not force us to take them, because we are not your vassals and minions to dictate as you see fit.

The harder the EU pushes the migrants on us, the farther they drive us to Putin and to the far-far-far right parties. If there is one thing Hungarians absolutely hate, is when foreigners tell us what to do.

 

[Ineedahero]

"Progress" is a broad term. If you are referring to social progress from a Western perspective, then you're definitely right, these countries are definitely backwards. However, this doesn't mean that people of a certain culture couldn't thrive here.

Most Muslim cultures haven't just failed to progress socially, they have failed to progress on nearly every single axis - social, scientific, economic. And when you look into the reason why, it becomes clear that it's for the same reason the Muslim empire began to fall behind after their amazing beginning as the keepers of Aristotle and the birthplace of modern mathematics - instead of maintaining a belief in free enquiry and the strength of their beliefs in its face, they decided the strength displayed by their empire was entirely because of Islam and that nothing else was necessary. Meanwhile, it was ironically that very strength which inspired the culture of the Franciscan order in England to foster the spirit of freedom of enquiry, which in turn gave us great men like Roger Bacon and the aforementioned William of Ockham and would eventually lead to the enlightenment.

I'm having a hard time believing that South Eastern Asians are "thriving" as well by the way

That's a common misconception. Sure South East Asia isn't the most advanced place on the planet, but the entire region has had a lot less time to industrialise compared to the rest of the world. And yet look at Indonesia - the third fastest growing economy in the G20, with the military might to frequently make Australia act like its bitch. And all from a Muslim majority. Because of their culture.

Or alternatively Malaysia - a Muslim majority in which the non Muslim minorities are actively treated like second class citizens. In Malaysia your state id notes whether you are native Malay, Chinese Malay or Indian Malay, and everything from education to employment is affected. But the Malaysian Muslims, once again with a culture influenced by a variety of other cultures, have been doing great. If you ever get a chance, go to Kuala Lumpur, it is an amazing city. Meanwhile take the Chinese and Indian Malay out of Malaysia and yes, they do thrive.

I don't think we should think "these people are inherently unfit for integrating" just because we are having more and more trouble with certain ethnic groups.

Neither do I. I think something needs to be done to dismantle the regressive culture of Islamism however, and it is becoming clear that just opening our arms and welcoming them with smiles is not doing it,because there is a widespread feeling amongst Islamists that it is perfectly ok to abuse the hospitality of non-muslims 'in the service of Allah'.

Calling these people fucktards or braindead evolutionary failures (which was not an insult directed to everyone, by the way, I just included it because what the fuck do I know) does not mean I'm considering their opinions as inferior.

Ok maybe I misunderstood you, I'm sorry.

 

[kenham]

The fact that "stayed home not to vote" is basically a propaganda lie. You need to take your own advice and listen less to artickles.

The people who stayed home was the types of people who did not give a shit and were just simply too dumb and lazy to care.
"I could go to vote or I could stay on couch and drink beer. I'll drink beer." Trust me on this, Hungarians are really spiteful in politics, and those who felt strongly opposed went int othe referendum and just draw dicks on the paper or such. This "silent no voters" your media feeds you are bumfucks who think "Gubberment will do it for us, I'll rather go read a sports magazine and drink beer."

The fact that people don't give a fuck isn't contradictory to my statement.

Also, remember, we SAW the refuggees with our own eyes at the Keleti Railway station. Filthy, rapey, subhuman creatures that we would have shot if we could, behaving with less discipline than your average household pet, and with less excrement control too. 90% of them young, bulked up tattooed thugs with iphones, something most of us can curiously not afford to get!

Christianity is also, like religions, evolves over time. We prefer the more "oldschool" version of it. Crusades and the like. In fact the whole "religion of peace" tune the Vatican took in the last half century or so has utterly devastated the christian-community here, which is bleeding younger generations left and right to neopagans and atheists. We value strength and see none of it in tolerance.

We did not invite them. Merkel did. Therefore she and thus Germany MUST bear the consequences of HER actions, not US who had no say in the matter. Now your goverment wants to force its mistake on us against our will.
If you did not think ahead and made this invite, than it is YOUR duty to take care of them, not hours. We did not invite them.

We also always had closded mindedness as a trait we admired. The "ideal" hungarian is always portrayed as this pragmatic person who always tells the truth. We say what we think and we think what we say. And we say that this is a wave of human vermin that will be very harmful to us. This is us preserving said nationhood against multiple attacks on all fronts. This is also why we love Trump so much, he is rude and calls a lizard a lizard.

We have no white guilt. No guilt over WW2, No guilt whatsover about our life. We owe the world nothing except grudges.

This is legitimately scaring me. I don't know any decent person who could be proud of any of the traits or the opinions you just mentioned. Especially the "filthy, rapey, subhuman creatures" part. This is Nazi speak in its purest form. And I'm not exaggerating.

 

[kenham]

Most Muslim cultures haven't just failed to progress socially, they have failed to progress on nearly every single axis - social, scientific, economic. And when you look into the reason why, it becomes clear that it's for the same reason the Muslim empire began to fall behind after their amazing beginning as the keepers of Aristotle and the birthplace of modern mathematics - instead of maintaining a belief in free enquiry and the strength of their beliefs in its face, they decided the strength displayed by their empire was entirely because of Islam and that nothing else was necessary. Meanwhile, it was ironically that very strength which inspired the culture of the Franciscan order in England to foster the spirit of freedom of enquiry, which in turn gave us great men like Roger Bacon and the aforementioned William of Ockham and would eventually lead to the enlightenment.

I mostly agree. While there have been Nobel prize winners from Muslim countries they have without a doubt made up a smaller percentage than people of other cultures.

That's a common misconception. Sure South East Asia isn't the most advanced place on the planet, but the entire region has had a lot less time to industrialise compared to the rest of the world. And yet look at Indonesia - the third fastest growing economy in the G20, with the military might to frequently make Australia act like its bitch. And all from a Muslim majority. Because of their culture.

Our first example is Malaysia - a Muslim majority in which the non Muslim minorities are actively treated like second class citizens. In Malaysia your state id notes whether you are native Malay, Chinese Malay or Indian Malay, and everything from education to employment is affected. But the Malaysian Muslims, once again with a culture influenced by a variety of other cultures, have been doing great. If you ever get a chance, go to Kuala Lumpur, it is an amazing city. Meanwhile take the Chinese and Indian Malay out of Malaysia and yes, they do thrive.

While I agree that these countries haven't had equally much time to "thrive", I don't think segregation is the way to go to establish a growing country (if I'm understanding you correctly). Indonesia surely is thriving, but this could also be the case simply because of their huge human resources – it's the world's fourth most populous country after all.

Neither do I. I think something needs to be done to dismantle the regressive culture of Islamism however, and it is becoming clear that just opening our arms and welcoming them with smiles is not doing it,because there is a widespread feeling amongst Islamists that it is perfectly ok to abuse the hospitality of non-muslims 'in the service of Allah'.

Absolutely. As I said, as more and more people are migrating in an ever increasingly interconnected world, integration measures must also be improved and increased. Just letting them in and doing nothing led to the establishment of parallel societies here in Germany, which is detrimental to the social climate.

Ok maybe I misunderstood you, I'm sorry.

No problem at all. I can be a bit rude at times.

 

[Male Idiot]

The fact that people don't give a fuck isn't contradictory to my statement.


This is legitimately scaring me. I don't know any decent person who could be proud of any of the traits or the opinions you just mentioned. Especially the "filthy, rapey, subhuman creatures" part. This is Nazi speak in its purest form. And I'm not exaggerating.

The muslims abused and enslaved us for two centuries. Compared to them, we consider nazis and commies a slight annoyance and much more preferable company. Any company is preferable to muslims immigrants, any and all.

For us this has all the tale tell signs of an end scenario. This is anecdotal, but I saw a 7 year old kid ask on his birthday "Will these muslims come to kill us all daddy?" The women are in a constant state of terror that they'll get taharusshed.

The fact that we are strating to get on with Slovakia is the warning bell. You know, Slovakia is the place where when you speak hungarian, you get beat up. For us this is a reapeting of our darkest, most reviled centuries of history. Those who stayed home simply think Orban can handwave away the EU and defend us with a magic wiggle of his finger
Ten years ago us being on okay terms with Slovakia was as unthinkable as a working hyperdrive.

You also forget that we are not decadent westerners. We do not subscribe to the same morals as you, do not consider decent what you consider decent. We are not simply germans and brits who live a little bit to the east, and do not view us as such or it will skew your expectations greatly.

We also have extreme hatred of outside influences. We did not like it when Ottoman empire genocided and enslaved us. We did not like Austrian servitude. We did not like Hitler thinking we were his pet dog. We did not like being the Soviet Union's indentured servant, and we don't like the EU tyranny any more. We absolutely hate when others push their agenda on us, and resist as we always did. OH! And actually this migrant refendum had higher turnout than the EU joining one. Why is that one not invalidated I wonder.... EU bribes to the goverment, surely. The turnout was around 45% with 95% NO votes and that's the lowest "no" stastic I could find.

TL,DR, we consider the western liberals/muslim migrants worse than nazis and commies. Much worse. Those two were alien ideologies pushed onto us, but they did not present this existential threat to us.